Non Lethal Self Protection Advice

awsmith4 · 07-09-2009, 10:35 PM

Recently my inlaws were having issues with a deranged neighbor coming on to their property at night and vandalizing random things as well as petty theft. After numerous incidents they installed a camera system. Well this oh so bright individual tried to steal one of the cameras and even pointed it at his face while pulling it off the wall of the garage. He was arrested the next morning and is still sitting in jail because no one will bail him out...

Well after the arrest they learned more about this individual and he has quite a rap sheet, mostly assault. Most of those assaults were on former neighbors (he moves around a lot). Turns out he has some sort of mental disorder and is not a likely person to learn his lesson while in prison. So if he were released there is chance he would retaliate.

They own guns but my mother in law isn't sure she wants to have to carry in here own yard but feels she would carry a taser or something else that is non lethal and wants something for when she is home alone. She says she is not sure she could bring herself to shoot and kill.

So my question is what would be the asylum's advise for non lethal protection?

TanithT · 07-09-2009, 10:40 PM

There isn't a really good non lethal deterrent that she can safely use from a distance, and I wouldn't recommend allowing this POS to get that close.

Shooting him in the leg or the crotch isn't likely to kill him, but it should make him stop doing whatever he's doing and maybe think twice before bothering ladies who are home alone.

awsmith4 · 07-09-2009, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TanithT

There isn't a really good non lethal deterrent that she can safely use from a distance, and I wouldn't recommend allowing this POS to get that close.

Shooting him in the leg or the crotch isn't likely to kill him, but it should make him stop doing whatever he's doing and maybe think twice before bothering ladies who are home alone.

I agree but she was insistent I find her info on alternatives

WyoBob · 07-09-2009, 10:46 PM

http://www.udap.com/product.htm

Has a range of around 30 ft.

WyoBob

68TriShield · 07-10-2009, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awsmith4

I agree but she was insistent I find her info on alternatives

Albert,the alternative is her being hurt or worse.

Non lethal means will probably only piss the loonytoon off more.
When and if he gets out,she needs to be packing heat and not a 22cal.

awsmith4 · 07-10-2009, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68TriShield

Albert,the alternative is her being hurt or worse.

Non lethal means will probably only piss the loonytoon off more.
When and if he gets out,she needs to be packing heat and not a 22cal.

Any thoughts on the Glock 36, seems slim enough and a .45

loki · 07-10-2009, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awsmith4

Any thoughts on the Glock 36, seems slim enough and a .45

good gun, reliable, will go bang every time you pull the trigger, and you can swap in smaller cal barrels for cheaper practice.

68TriShield · 07-10-2009, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awsmith4

Any thoughts on the Glock 36, seems slim enough and a .45

Rock Solid Albert,that goes for most all Glocks.

ade06 · 07-10-2009, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68TriShield

Albert,the alternative is her being hurt or worse.

Non lethal means will probably only piss the loonytoon off more.
When and if he gets out,she needs to be packing heat and not a 22cal.

Yeah, I unfortunately had a childhood friend go loony (bipolar disease and refuses to take his meds) and he flipped out on a female cop while naked. She ended up pepper spraying him and then shoot him 6 times. I wasn't there and there were no witnesses, but the police report stated that he was still fighting with the officer until he went unconscious. He survived and I've since seen him and talked with him around the old neighborhood, but he is certified crazy. His parents ended up moving from the city out of fear of their own son, because he turned on them a few times (once while they were sleeping).

If this guy is certified crazy, the non-lethal option, may not be the best option for your MIL.

07-10-2009, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TanithT

"...Shooting him in the leg or the crotch isn't likely to kill him".

Actually, that's exactly where the femoral artery is located. Damage the femoral artery and he'll be a goner in minutes.

To the OP, I would be sure that those surveillance cameras were re-installed (assuming they haven't already since the one was ripped down), get a restraining order (violating this will demonstrate a patter of behavior and leave a paper trail as to your in-laws trying legal means (on paper) to defend themselves), and sign her/them up for a gun safety course at the local gun range. This will give her familiarity when handling a weapon and confidence from practice. Additionally, be sure she keeps the certificate of completion in case she ever needs to resort to deadly force and is asked to appear in court.

elderboy02 · 07-10-2009, 05:45 AM

Handgun. Double Tap to center of mass. I know she doesn't want lethal force, but if the guy is mentally crazy AND has a history of assault, I would not bet my life on Tazers, pepper spray, dogs, clubs, etc. They probably won't work.

Your mileage may vary.

Good luck. I hope everything turns out okay and this piece of scum doesn't bother her.

bonjing · 07-09-2009, 10:44 PM

I use and have the gf carry Fox lab 5.3 for pepper spray. I had a tazer before but felt it was just a pain in the butt, ended up being more of a dust collector so i ended up[ selling it. And remember you only get one shot with the tazer then it becomes a close contact type of thing.

I use fox 5.3 because it seems to be the hottest at 5.3 mill shu, while others i have seen only go up to 2.5mil or even 3mil.

edit to add:

when i purchase pepper spray, i only get stream type sprays

http://www.galls.com/style.html?asso...og&style=SD112

bonjing · 07-09-2009, 10:47 PM

forgot to add, since he has a mental disorder and has had scuffles in the past, he may have gotten used to getting OC'd.

just something to keep in mind

heavyd · 07-09-2009, 10:49 PM

Pepper spray works on most people, but not all. Look into getting a restraining order on the guy. Sure, it's just a piece of paper and it can't stop a determined psycho, but at least the cops can arrest him on the spot for violating it (assuming Georgia law is similar to California). Best wishes to your family members, Albert... that's a bad situation

bonjing · 07-09-2009, 11:04 PM

Sorry to keep posting, but stuff works slowly in my head.

Like heavyd said, OC is not an end all but may help get the person out of the situation. If anyone has been OC'd majority will tell you they can still fight through it although uncomfortably and possibly not as effective.

Old Sailor · 07-09-2009, 11:10 PM

If he gets too close, tell her a pair of visegrips to the jewels will slow him down as long as they are tight.

RGD. · 07-09-2009, 11:08 PM

How about a steel whip baton - if they are legal in your state. It does not take a whole lot of arm strength to put a serious hurting on someone.

Example Here

Ron

Silound · 07-09-2009, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyd

Pepper spray works on most people, but not all. Look into getting a restraining order on the guy. Sure, it's just a piece of paper and it can't stop a determined psycho, but at least the cops can arrest him on the spot for violating it (assuming Georgia law is similar to California). Best wishes to your family members, Albert... that's a bad situation

Dunno about Georgia law, but Louisiana law gives a lot of leeway to use lethal force if a restraining order is violated intentionally.

For the average person, shooting someone anywhere but center of mass is simply not an option. Despite hours and hours of training, and no matter how good a shot you might be, you simply cannot predict the human reaction to the presence of an immediate threat. I heard of a rookie cop that got into a shootout, blasted over 40 rounds into the side of a car and the house behind it and completely missed the guy sitting in the driver's seat from less than 20 feet. Adrenaline dumps will cause all that training and accuracy to go to complete waste if you've never experienced one before.

The best thing is to simply be smart. Carry your non-lethal goodies, but also observe common safety tips. Don't go out at night if it's unnecessary, always travel in pairs when coming or going (or be on the phone with someone), watch each others' backs when you are out. If he crosses into your property, go back inside immediately and call the police. Avoid him if you see him in public, and check with a lawyer or the city prosecutor/DA to see if there's a legal way to force him to move after repeated violations and a restraining order.

shilala · 07-09-2009, 11:16 PM

I got nothin for ya Albert, but if he stays in jail long enough, it's unlikely that he'll have a home to move back to, and he'll likely relocate, being that's what he's done in the past.
Make sure your mil has whatever she needs, but having to carry a weapon in your own yard is no way to live.

Sailchaser · 07-09-2009, 11:23 PM

self awareness whit ones one space is the best protection and your right there are a lot of nuts out there hope it all works out

07-09-2009, 10:35 PM	#1
awsmith4 Simple Pleasures - 2oL Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Albert Location: Marietta, Georgia Posts: 4,602 Trading: (111)	Non Lethal Self Protection Advice Recently my inlaws were having issues with a deranged neighbor coming on to their property at night and vandalizing random things as well as petty theft. After numerous incidents they installed a camera system. Well this oh so bright individual tried to steal one of the cameras and even pointed it at his face while pulling it off the wall of the garage. He was arrested the next morning and is still sitting in jail because no one will bail him out... Well after the arrest they learned more about this individual and he has quite a rap sheet, mostly assault. Most of those assaults were on former neighbors (he moves around a lot). Turns out he has some sort of mental disorder and is not a likely person to learn his lesson while in prison. So if he were released there is chance he would retaliate. They own guns but my mother in law isn't sure she wants to have to carry in here own yard but feels she would carry a taser or something else that is non lethal and wants something for when she is home alone. She says she is not sure she could bring herself to shoot and kill. So my question is what would be the asylum's advise for non lethal protection? __________________ Its THIS easy to support our troops

07-09-2009, 10:40 PM	#2
TanithT Herfer Grrrrl Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Tanith Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 692 Trading: (26)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice There isn't a really good non lethal deterrent that she can safely use from a distance, and I wouldn't recommend allowing this POS to get that close. Shooting him in the leg or the crotch isn't likely to kill him, but it should make him stop doing whatever he's doing and maybe think twice before bothering ladies who are home alone. __________________ Herfergrrl's blog - The Art of the Good Cigar: A Matter of Taste. Herfing is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

07-09-2009, 10:46 PM	#4
WyoBob Still Watching My Back Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Bob Location: Buffalo, WY Posts: 155 Trading: (1)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice http://www.udap.com/product.htm Has a range of around 30 ft. WyoBob

07-10-2009, 05:45 AM	#11
elderboy02 Lets Go Buckeyes! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dan Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 12,508 Trading: (133)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice Handgun. Double Tap to center of mass. I know she doesn't want lethal force, but if the guy is mentally crazy AND has a history of assault, I would not bet my life on Tazers, pepper spray, dogs, clubs, etc. They probably won't work. Your mileage may vary. Good luck. I hope everything turns out okay and this piece of scum doesn't bother her.

07-09-2009, 10:44 PM	#12
bonjing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,012 Trading: (39)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice I use and have the gf carry Fox lab 5.3 for pepper spray. I had a tazer before but felt it was just a pain in the butt, ended up being more of a dust collector so i ended up[ selling it. And remember you only get one shot with the tazer then it becomes a close contact type of thing. I use fox 5.3 because it seems to be the hottest at 5.3 mill shu, while others i have seen only go up to 2.5mil or even 3mil. edit to add: when i purchase pepper spray, i only get stream type sprays http://www.galls.com/style.html?asso...og&style=SD112 Last edited by bonjing; 07-09-2009 at 10:52 PM.

07-09-2009, 10:47 PM	#13
bonjing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,012 Trading: (39)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice forgot to add, since he has a mental disorder and has had scuffles in the past, he may have gotten used to getting OC'd. just something to keep in mind

07-09-2009, 10:49 PM	#14
heavyd Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Dave Location: La Mesa CA Posts: 316 Trading: (22)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice Pepper spray works on most people, but not all. Look into getting a restraining order on the guy. Sure, it's just a piece of paper and it can't stop a determined psycho, but at least the cops can arrest him on the spot for violating it (assuming Georgia law is similar to California). Best wishes to your family members, Albert... that's a bad situation __________________ "You can't get to wonderful without passing through alright." ~Bill Withers

07-09-2009, 11:04 PM	#15
bonjing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,012 Trading: (39)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice Sorry to keep posting, but stuff works slowly in my head. Like heavyd said, OC is not an end all but may help get the person out of the situation. If anyone has been OC'd majority will tell you they can still fight through it although uncomfortably and possibly not as effective.

07-09-2009, 11:10 PM	#16
Old Sailor Black Ops - S.O.B. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dave Location: Side Porta!! Kingsville, Ont., Canada Posts: 4,200 Trading: (22)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice If he gets too close, tell her a pair of visegrips to the jewels will slow him down as long as they are tight. __________________ Canadian Armed Forces 1976! Canadian Coast Guard, retired in 2012 after 32 years!!

07-09-2009, 11:08 PM	#17
RGD. God Like Status Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Ron Location: Alexandria, Virginia Posts: 971 Trading: (1)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice How about a steel whip baton - if they are legal in your state. It does not take a whole lot of arm strength to put a serious hurting on someone. Example Here Ron

07-09-2009, 11:16 PM	#19
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice I got nothin for ya Albert, but if he stays in jail long enough, it's unlikely that he'll have a home to move back to, and he'll likely relocate, being that's what he's done in the past. Make sure your mil has whatever she needs, but having to carry a weapon in your own yard is no way to live. __________________

07-09-2009, 11:23 PM	#20
Sailchaser Black Ops-SOB Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chris Location: SCS,MI(Somewere Cigar Smoking) Posts: 1,735 Trading: (7)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice self awareness whit ones one space is the best protection and your right there are a lot of nuts out there hope it all works out __________________ "Sail Fast, Shoot Straight, Fish Hard and Save Time For The Important Things In Life"