Cuban tobacco

03-08-2010, 09:58 PM

I know this question is stupid, but I'm curious and clueless..
So can a cigar manufacture from lets say Dom Rep import cuban tobacco to put into their cigar's seeing as their are no restrictions.. or is the thought of transporting bales of tobacco a stupid ass idea lol idk dont kill me .. was just wondering

akumushi · 03-08-2010, 10:07 PM

Even assuming someone could get the Cuban leaf (Habanos does not export raw tobacco for others to use) the primary market for Non-Cuban cigars is the US, so it would be self-defeating for say, a Dominican cigar factory to blend with Cuban leaf and thereby lose the ability to sell in its biggest market. So no, until the Embargo is lifted, you will only find Cuban puros as a seperate entity with everyone else blending or making puros as they wish. If the embargo is lifted, you may slowly see blends but it will be at Cuba's pace and discretion as to how they will mete out their most precious resource.

03-08-2010, 10:19 PM

thx for the explanation.. would be awesome tho, can you imagine the blends!! Mexican filler Nic binder Cuban wrapper hahaha one day...

icehog3 · 03-08-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OSV

thx for the explanation.. would be awesome tho, can you imagine the blends!! Mexican filler Nic binder Cuban wrapper hahaha one day...

I'm a Puros man.

Neuromancer · 03-09-2010, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OSV

thx for the explanation.. would be awesome tho, can you imagine the blends!! Mexican filler Nic binder Cuban wrapper hahaha one day...

Cuban tobacco would get lost blended with anything else...part of the allure of a CC puro is the taste...there's a definite difference between the taste of CC's vs. any and all NC's...sort of a twang that NC's don't have...it's hard to describe...

AlohaStyle · 03-09-2010, 01:33 AM

The only answer you need to that question is that Cuba would not allow anyone else using their tobacco.

Ferrari5180 · 03-09-2010, 07:19 AM

I am not a big fan of Cuban tobacco, but they do have some good cigars. You will not see any Cubans in USA until the embargo is lifted. Hopefully it is done soon. However, lifting this embargo could make the already expensive price of a CC skyrocket even more.

NCRadioMan · 03-09-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferrari5180

I am not a big fan of Cuban tobacco, but they do have some good cigars. You will not see any Cubans in USA until the embargo is lifted. Hopefully it is done soon. However, lifting this embargo could make the already expensive price of a CC skyrocket even more.

Expensive? That is a, widely held, misconception my friend. On the whole, Cuban cigars are much less expensive than nc's. Much less.

Parshooter · 03-09-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Expensive? That is a, widely held, misconception my friend. On the whole, Cuban cigars are much less expensive than nc's. Much less.

He's from Canada. They ARE expensive there.

NCRadioMan · 03-09-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Parshooter

He's from Canada. They ARE expensive there.

True but you don't have to buy in Canada.

gnbikes · 03-09-2010, 11:40 AM

In speaking with several industry insiders, the Cuban blenders are all ready experimenting with "imported" tobaccos. I did not believe it when I heard this the first time, but having it confirmed by people that "used to be" key people in the Cuban cigar industry, I now believe it. So don't be suprised when you see Cuban cigars that are not puros.
Garry

mithrilG60 · 03-09-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

True but you don't have to buy in Canada.

You do unless you want to risk VERY expensive tariffs/duties/fines being applied by the friendly customs agent to your shipment of chocolate from Switzerland. Especially considering the Swiss have recently changed their shipping guidelines the odds of packages making it through customs and into Canada unaffected are less and less.

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Originally Posted by akumushi

If you're paying $18 for a CAO Brazilia in Canada, it would be more appropriate to simply state that cigars are expensive there, CC or NC. I've spent less than that on a fiver of Brazilia before SCHIP was passed.

Welcome to taxation

This is also the reason why no one in Canada thought that SCHIP was a particularly big deal. Even with the increase in taxation resulting from that bill, the taxes applied to tobacco in the US are still just a very small fraction of what we're dinged with up here.

03-09-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Expensive? That is a, widely held, misconception my friend. On the whole, Cuban cigars are much less expensive than nc's. Much less.

Agreed

poker · 03-09-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferrari5180

I am not a big fan of Cuban tobacco, but they do have some good cigars. You will not see any Cubans in USA until the embargo is lifted. Hopefully it is done soon. However, lifting this embargo could make the already expensive price of a CC skyrocket even more.

Thats not actually a very true statement.

replicant_argent · 03-09-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by poker

Thats not actually a very true statement.

I think we need to have a chat with Altadis, Kelly.

I believe the card.

03-10-2010, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by poker

Thats not actually a very true statement.

When I saw that statment I was thinking he clearly hadn't been to Mr Rudo or Mr Chens domicile.

jerseystepup · 03-09-2010, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OSV

I know this question is stupid, but I'm curious and clueless..
So can a cigar manufacture from lets say Dom Rep import cuban tobacco to put into their cigar's seeing as their are no restrictions.. or is the thought of transporting bales of tobacco a stupid ass idea lol idk dont kill me .. was just wondering

The issue is.. its not only illegal to import things from cuba to the US... but also ANYTHING with cuban origin... Meaning just cause it came in from DR doesnt make it ok, nothing that was originally produced in cuba can legally be possesed here.

Ferrari5180 · 03-09-2010, 11:58 AM

They are expensive here in Canada. Despite the fact that we do not have an embargo, and that we can easily access CC's, it does not make them inexpensive. CC's and NC's are heavily taxed here in Montreal. A typical CAO Brazilia could go for 18$ at a local B&M. Also, we have no choice but to buy the CC's from here. We cannot purchase them from Cubas and ship them here. We will be heavily taxed again. However, we may bring 1 box (and only 1) per person when visiting cuba. We can declare only 1 box and bring in a few more, but then again, I am sticking to the legalities of this matter.

akumushi · 03-09-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferrari5180

They are expensive here in Canada. Despite the fact that we do not have an embargo, and that we can easily access CC's, it does not make them inexpensive. CC's and NC's are heavily taxed here in Montreal. A typical CAO Brazilia could go for 18$ at a local B&M. Also, we have no choice but to buy the CC's from here. We cannot purchase them from Cubas and ship them here. We will be heavily taxed again. However, we may bring 1 box (and only 1) per person when visiting cuba. We can declare only 1 box and bring in a few more, but then again, I am sticking to the legalities of this matter.

If you're paying $18 for a CAO Brazilia in Canada, it would be more appropriate to simply state that cigars are expensive there, CC or NC. I've spent less than that on a fiver of Brazilia before SCHIP was passed.

akumushi · 03-09-2010, 12:27 PM

I would like to see a blend that combined the rich mouthfeel and taste of Nicaraguan tobacco with the wider aromatic horizons of Cuban leaf, say a Nic Corojo wrapper, Cuban Binder and filler with a bit of Nic Ligero in the filler for some kick. Now that would be a hell of a cigar.

03-08-2010, 09:58 PM	#1
OSV Guest Posts: n/a	Cuban tobacco I know this question is stupid, but I'm curious and clueless.. So can a cigar manufacture from lets say Dom Rep import cuban tobacco to put into their cigar's seeing as their are no restrictions.. or is the thought of transporting bales of tobacco a stupid ass idea lol idk dont kill me .. was just wondering

03-08-2010, 10:07 PM	#2
akumushi Habanos Apologist Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,298 Trading: (11)	Re: Cuban tobacco Even assuming someone could get the Cuban leaf (Habanos does not export raw tobacco for others to use) the primary market for Non-Cuban cigars is the US, so it would be self-defeating for say, a Dominican cigar factory to blend with Cuban leaf and thereby lose the ability to sell in its biggest market. So no, until the Embargo is lifted, you will only find Cuban puros as a seperate entity with everyone else blending or making puros as they wish. If the embargo is lifted, you may slowly see blends but it will be at Cuba's pace and discretion as to how they will mete out their most precious resource. __________________ "Eventually, however, every ash must drop. And the drop usually is as sudden as it is final."

03-08-2010, 10:19 PM	#3
OSV Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Cuban tobacco thx for the explanation.. would be awesome tho, can you imagine the blends!! Mexican filler Nic binder Cuban wrapper hahaha one day...

03-09-2010, 01:33 AM	#6
AlohaStyle Have My Own Room Join Date: Sep 2009 First Name: Ryan Location: WA Posts: 1,168 Trading: (40)	Re: Cuban tobacco The only answer you need to that question is that Cuba would not allow anyone else using their tobacco.

03-09-2010, 07:19 AM	#7
Ferrari5180 Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 433 Trading: (0)	Re: Cuban tobacco I am not a big fan of Cuban tobacco, but they do have some good cigars. You will not see any Cubans in USA until the embargo is lifted. Hopefully it is done soon. However, lifting this embargo could make the already expensive price of a CC skyrocket even more.

03-09-2010, 11:40 AM	#11
gnbikes Feeling at Home Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Garry Location: Kent, WA Posts: 625 Trading: (3)	Re: Cuban tobacco In speaking with several industry insiders, the Cuban blenders are all ready experimenting with "imported" tobaccos. I did not believe it when I heard this the first time, but having it confirmed by people that "used to be" key people in the Cuban cigar industry, I now believe it. So don't be suprised when you see Cuban cigars that are not puros. Garry

03-09-2010, 11:58 AM	#18
Ferrari5180 Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 433 Trading: (0)	Re: Cuban tobacco They are expensive here in Canada. Despite the fact that we do not have an embargo, and that we can easily access CC's, it does not make them inexpensive. CC's and NC's are heavily taxed here in Montreal. A typical CAO Brazilia could go for 18$ at a local B&M. Also, we have no choice but to buy the CC's from here. We cannot purchase them from Cubas and ship them here. We will be heavily taxed again. However, we may bring 1 box (and only 1) per person when visiting cuba. We can declare only 1 box and bring in a few more, but then again, I am sticking to the legalities of this matter.

03-09-2010, 12:27 PM	#20
akumushi Habanos Apologist Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,298 Trading: (11)	Re: Cuban tobacco I would like to see a blend that combined the rich mouthfeel and taste of Nicaraguan tobacco with the wider aromatic horizons of Cuban leaf, say a Nic Corojo wrapper, Cuban Binder and filler with a bit of Nic Ligero in the filler for some kick. Now that would be a hell of a cigar. __________________ "Eventually, however, every ash must drop. And the drop usually is as sudden as it is final."