LP - Is it me?

RevSmoke · 12-31-2012, 02:23 PM

OK, I've been watching the love-fest over the Liga Privada lines - 9 & 52. I have tried a Flying Pig from each. I have had a one or two of the parallel size in each. I have even tried a couple Undercrowns.

The reason I bring this up, and I am not trying to be a "hater," is because everybody's tastes are different. Having said that, it appears I am the only one who isn't on the band wagon with the LP/Undercrown lines.

They all have a great aesthetic appeal, for the are amazing looking sticks. I have even enjoyed the room note that the T52 line produces. I really want to like these cigars. But having said that, I found that I was not impressed with any that I have tried. To me they were strong and one-dimensional, leaving me quickly disinterested. They had some interesting flavors to begin, but I got bored with them fairly quickly.

I fournd them to be strong, and that wasn't a problem, as I love strong, but strong for the sake of strong, without any nuance or complexity, was seriously disappointing. In fact, I put an #9 FP down at the 1/2 way point as I was bored and wanting some flavor and excitement.

[An aside... I thought it might be that I cannot handle strong cigars. But then I considered some things. I love Litto Gomez Diez, I love the LG Small Batch, I love the LFD Coronados, also the LFD Air Benders. I think most of these are fairly full-bodied. But then I do not like the LFD Double Ligero and can only tolerate the LFD Ligero as they are, to my tastes, strong and seriously one dimensional.]

What gets me is that at their prices I am completely and totally underwhelmed by them. I do not get it. Are my tastebuds out of whack? Or am I the only one courageous enough to speak my mind (the emporer is naked)? Or is it simply that my tastes are just not up to this?

Now the Papa Fritas is out and I have been reading the love-fest over this CUT filler cigar. So I'm thinking...
I don't think the LPs are worth the price they get for them.Is a cut filler cigar, from the dropping of cigars I haven't enjoyed, really something to get excited about?
Is any cut filler cigar worth $5.00 (OK, $4.99) a stick?

[Another asided... I do love the MUWAT Bait Fish. I finally tried one of them and really enjoyed it. I will look for some more of those. I haven't tried any other MUWAT sizes, but that may change. Maybe not.]

So, what are your thoughts on the questions I raised? Is it just me? Or does someone have an explanation?

Peace of the Lord be with you.

Todd

icehog3 · 12-31-2012, 02:31 PM

Chalk it up to different strokes, Todd.

I am not a huge NC guy anymore, so I have no fear of bashing the "hot" cigar of the week. But I tried my first Undercrown on Christmas Eve, and really liked it. And I had a Baitfish the week before, and thought it sucked. Just the opposite of you. Am I right, and you wrong? Of course not....it's different strokes. Smoke what you like, like what you smoke.

RevSmoke · 12-31-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Chalk it up to different strokes, Todd.

I am not a huge NC guy anymore, so I have no fear of bashing the "hot" cigar of the week. But I tried my first Undercrown on Christmas Eve, and really liked it. And I had a Baitfish the week before, and thought it sucked. Just the opposite of you. Am I right, and you wrong? Of course not....it's different strokes. Smoke what you like, like what you smoke.

I know it is different tastes. I know I don't like everything everbody else likes. I find many CCs I like and some I don't. I also find many NCs I like and some I don't. I also like some NCs more than some CCs and vice versa.

My thing was that with all the love being thrown around, maybe there's something I'm missing.

borndead1 · 12-31-2012, 02:38 PM

It's not just you. I haven't been impressed by any Liga either. The #9 is a decent smoke but doesn't justify the price tag, and the Undercrown to me tastes like it was cured in a can of turpentine. I snagged a bundle of "My Uzi Weighs a Ton" too, and those have been a big "meh" so far.

Taki · 12-31-2012, 02:36 PM

Todd,

I got caught up in the craze over these cigars a while back and went on a buying spree buying every Liga I could get my hands on! I loved the construction and the amount of smoke that any DE cigar puts off however after the original rush wore off the only one I enjoyed was the L9 and the T52 Pig other than that I wasn't much of a fan of all the others! It may be because my tastes have changes but I can't agree more that they have the same complexity though out. One thing that drove me nuts and quit honestly alway from the DE line is that everything that comes out is HTF or rare and you have to scavenge the earth looking for it! Anyway...I may go back to the L9 one day but thanks to my neighbor I will gladly grab a CC for the same price and get a much better smoke IMO!

TJarv · 12-31-2012, 02:37 PM

Have you had the Undercrown corona Todd? I thought that this little stick was quite good for the price (can be had for $5/cigar). To me they seem to have flavor changes.

RevSmoke · 12-31-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TJarv

Have you had the Undercrown corona Todd? I thought that this little stick was quite good for the price (can be had for $5/cigar). To me they seem to have flavor changes.

I had a toro and a robusto of the Undercrown. As I said, I was underwhelmed.

icehog3 · 12-31-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

I had a toro and a robusto of the Undercrown. As I said, I was underwhelmed.

I hear the Corona Viva is the best by far of the Undercrowns from a few NC lovers, Todd.

RevSmoke · 12-31-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I hear the Corona Viva is the best by far of the Undercrowns from a few NC lovers, Todd.

If I find one, I'll give it a try.

cmitch · 12-31-2012, 03:27 PM

While I think the #9's are okay, I generally don't stock them. I like the T52's better and the FFP. I found the Undercrowns to be so-so at best. I've also noted that the last box of T52's I've bought were just not as good as the older ones. I saved back a couple of older ones when the new ones came in. I smoked an older one last week and I can definitely say the older release is better.

TJarv · 12-31-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

If I find one, I'll give it a try.

Oh really

Stevez · 01-02-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TJarv

Have you had the Undercrown corona Todd? I thought that this little stick was quite good for the price (can be had for $5/cigar). To me they seem to have flavor changes.

I do buy them occassionally and have tried many of them. The FFP was the best in my opinion, but certainly not worth $15/stick. Just bought a 5ver of the Undercrown corona's and have had two and I agree they are very tasty. Great looking cigar, great burn and great flavor. Not sure that my palate is sophisticated enough to notice multiple dimensions to be honest; just know that I liked them. To me the worst one was the T52's.

icehog3 · 12-31-2012, 02:43 PM

Nothing wrong with you Todd, I see the Lil Monster hype, and think they suck. I see Baitfish hype, and think they suck. Then I like a cigar people bash. It's all individual tastes, hype only means something if one lets it mean something.

TJarv · 12-31-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Nothing wrong with you Todd, I see the Lil Monster hype, and think they suck. I see Baitfish hype, and think they suck. Then I like a cigar people bash. It's all individual tastes, hype only means something if one lets it mean something.

I never bought any lil monsters, but I snagged some mummies when they came out. The baitfish was a let down to me, but a lot of people love that little cigar.

Todd just chalk it up as not for you and move on to something you enjoy

RevSmoke · 12-31-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Nothing wrong with you Todd, I see the Lil Monster hype, and think they suck. I see Baitfish hype, and think they suck. Then I like a cigar people bash. It's all individual tastes, hype only means something if one lets it mean something.

But I usually like stronger cigars.

By the way, "love" the Baitfish might have been strong. I got one at Titletown the other night and let's just say, considering what I think of the other Drew Estates stuff, I was impressed. I didn't expect to like it at all.

kelmac07 · 12-31-2012, 03:31 PM

I am a HUGE fan of the LP No. 9

!! Now the, the T52...not so much. As for the Undercrown, the only one that I've thoroughly and completely enjoyed was the Corona Viva...and this size WOWED me

, the other sizes were "ok" at best.

I, too, am a HUGE fan of a lot of Litto Gomez stuff, but I think the Air Bender is complete garbage. I have smoked 6-7 of them, different sizes (maduro included) and have been, to quote you, "completely and totally underwhelmed by them". I guess it all goes back to the old adage "Smoke what you like, like what you smoke!"

Ashcan Bill · 12-31-2012, 03:52 PM

I actually just tried a No. 9 for the first time two nights ago. It seemed to be constructed well, burned great, had a surprisingly loose draw, gave decent enough flavor. All in all it was okay but just didn't wow me. I don't like to judge a cigar after just one try, but I can't see myself rushing out to get more. Not to say I won't try another one or two someday, but right now I wouldn't put them high on my list.

cmitch · 12-31-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

I am a HUGE fan of the LP No. 9

!! Now the, the T52...not so much. As for the Undercrown, the only one that I've thoroughly and completely enjoyed was the Corona Viva...and this size WOWED me

, the other sizes were "ok" at best.

I, too, am a HUGE fan of a lot of Litto Gomez stuff, but I think the Air Bender is complete garbage. I have smoked 6-7 of them, different sizes (maduro included) and have been, to quote you, "completely and totally underwhelmed by them". I guess it all goes back to the old adage "Smoke what you like, like what you smoke!"

How was the UF-4? As for me, they were not what I expected. Underwhelming is a good term.

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Originally Posted by Scottw

Todd, the first 9 I smoked was amazing IMO, the half dozen I have smoked since where underwhelming. I liked my first Undercrown, disliked the rest. I loved the T52 pig but don't care for the robusto. Who knows. As Tom said and you know.....smoke what you like. I can think of better things than to be in love with a cigar that retails for 12 bucks. I'll stick with my 5 dollar boli pcs.

The FFP I think is the best stick of the bunch.

kelmac07 · 12-31-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cmitch

How was the UF-4? As for me, they were not what I expected. Underwhelming is a good term.

Actually Clayton, I just today moved it into my travel humi to torch within the next few VCM herfs.

cmitch · 12-31-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

Actually Clayton, I just today moved it into my travel humi to torch within the next few VCM herfs.

I have 5 left. Needed age even tho they were released in fall of '11. I hope they get better.

12-31-2012, 02:23 PM	#1
RevSmoke Ain't Never Gonna Leave Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Todd Location: Northcentral woods of Wisconsin Posts: 6,849 Trading: (51)	LP - Is it me? OK, I've been watching the love-fest over the Liga Privada lines - 9 & 52. I have tried a Flying Pig from each. I have had a one or two of the parallel size in each. I have even tried a couple Undercrowns. The reason I bring this up, and I am not trying to be a "hater," is because everybody's tastes are different. Having said that, it appears I am the only one who isn't on the band wagon with the LP/Undercrown lines. They all have a great aesthetic appeal, for the are amazing looking sticks. I have even enjoyed the room note that the T52 line produces. I really want to like these cigars. But having said that, I found that I was not impressed with any that I have tried. To me they were strong and one-dimensional, leaving me quickly disinterested. They had some interesting flavors to begin, but I got bored with them fairly quickly. I fournd them to be strong, and that wasn't a problem, as I love strong, but strong for the sake of strong, without any nuance or complexity, was seriously disappointing. In fact, I put an #9 FP down at the 1/2 way point as I was bored and wanting some flavor and excitement. [An aside... I thought it might be that I cannot handle strong cigars. But then I considered some things. I love Litto Gomez Diez, I love the LG Small Batch, I love the LFD Coronados, also the LFD Air Benders. I think most of these are fairly full-bodied. But then I do not like the LFD Double Ligero and can only tolerate the LFD Ligero as they are, to my tastes, strong and seriously one dimensional.] What gets me is that at their prices I am completely and totally underwhelmed by them. I do not get it. Are my tastebuds out of whack? Or am I the only one courageous enough to speak my mind (the emporer is naked)? Or is it simply that my tastes are just not up to this? Now the Papa Fritas is out and I have been reading the love-fest over this CUT filler cigar. So I'm thinking... I don't think the LPs are worth the price they get for them.Is a cut filler cigar, from the dropping of cigars I haven't enjoyed, really something to get excited about? Is any cut filler cigar worth $5.00 (OK, $4.99) a stick? [Another asided... I do love the MUWAT Bait Fish. I finally tried one of them and really enjoyed it. I will look for some more of those. I haven't tried any other MUWAT sizes, but that may change. Maybe not.] So, what are your thoughts on the questions I raised? Is it just me? Or does someone have an explanation? Peace of the Lord be with you. Todd __________________ Todd__ "Smoke what you like, and enjoy it!"

12-31-2012, 02:31 PM	#2
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: LP - Is it me? Chalk it up to different strokes, Todd. I am not a huge NC guy anymore, so I have no fear of bashing the "hot" cigar of the week. But I tried my first Undercrown on Christmas Eve, and really liked it. And I had a Baitfish the week before, and thought it sucked. Just the opposite of you. Am I right, and you wrong? Of course not....it's different strokes. Smoke what you like, like what you smoke. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

12-31-2012, 02:38 PM	#4
borndead1 Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 1,345 Trading: (7)	Re: LP - Is it me? It's not just you. I haven't been impressed by any Liga either. The #9 is a decent smoke but doesn't justify the price tag, and the Undercrown to me tastes like it was cured in a can of turpentine. I snagged a bundle of "My Uzi Weighs a Ton" too, and those have been a big "meh" so far. __________________ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

12-31-2012, 02:36 PM	#5
Taki Welcome to the Layer Cake Join Date: Aug 2011 First Name: Taki Location: The Creek Posts: 2,271 Trading: (38)	Re: LP - Is it me? Todd, I got caught up in the craze over these cigars a while back and went on a buying spree buying every Liga I could get my hands on! I loved the construction and the amount of smoke that any DE cigar puts off however after the original rush wore off the only one I enjoyed was the L9 and the T52 Pig other than that I wasn't much of a fan of all the others! It may be because my tastes have changes but I can't agree more that they have the same complexity though out. One thing that drove me nuts and quit honestly alway from the DE line is that everything that comes out is HTF or rare and you have to scavenge the earth looking for it! Anyway...I may go back to the L9 one day but thanks to my neighbor I will gladly grab a CC for the same price and get a much better smoke IMO! __________________

12-31-2012, 02:37 PM	#6
TJarv In it to win it Join Date: Mar 2012 First Name: Tony Location: Aubrey, Texas Posts: 2,027 Trading: (58)	Re: LP - Is it me? Have you had the Undercrown corona Todd? I thought that this little stick was quite good for the price (can be had for $5/cigar). To me they seem to have flavor changes. __________________ Proud member of the GMCGTPWHAFA

12-31-2012, 03:27 PM	#10
cmitch Heads up get down Join Date: Oct 2010 First Name: Clayton Location: NW Alabama by the river Posts: 2,720 Trading: (25)	Re: LP - Is it me? While I think the #9's are okay, I generally don't stock them. I like the T52's better and the FFP. I found the Undercrowns to be so-so at best. I've also noted that the last box of T52's I've bought were just not as good as the older ones. I saved back a couple of older ones when the new ones came in. I smoked an older one last week and I can definitely say the older release is better. __________________ No matter what one's status is in society, cigars are the great equalizer where the affluent and common share a love for the leaf. - Me.

12-31-2012, 02:43 PM	#13
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: LP - Is it me? Nothing wrong with you Todd, I see the Lil Monster hype, and think they suck. I see Baitfish hype, and think they suck. Then I like a cigar people bash. It's all individual tastes, hype only means something if one lets it mean something. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

12-31-2012, 03:31 PM	#16
kelmac07 Resident Maduro Whore!! Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Mac Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 27,322 Trading: (218)	Re: LP - Is it me? I am a HUGE fan of the LP No. 9 !! Now the, the T52...not so much. As for the Undercrown, the only one that I've thoroughly and completely enjoyed was the Corona Viva...and this size WOWED me , the other sizes were "ok" at best. I, too, am a HUGE fan of a lot of Litto Gomez stuff, but I think the Air Bender is complete garbage. I have smoked 6-7 of them, different sizes (maduro included) and have been, to quote you, "completely and totally underwhelmed by them". I guess it all goes back to the old adage "Smoke what you like, like what you smoke!" __________________ Dom in the MLB thread "I could probably get you to wear a Yankee hat for a Maduro!"

12-31-2012, 03:52 PM	#17
Ashcan Bill Ol' Dude Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Bill Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 1,900 Trading: (6)	Re: LP - Is it me? I actually just tried a No. 9 for the first time two nights ago. It seemed to be constructed well, burned great, had a surprisingly loose draw, gave decent enough flavor. All in all it was okay but just didn't wow me. I don't like to judge a cigar after just one try, but I can't see myself rushing out to get more. Not to say I won't try another one or two someday, but right now I wouldn't put them high on my list.