Cognac storage question.

pektel · 07-29-2010, 04:46 PM

So, a local mom and pop liquor stor is closing it's doors September 4th. Right now they have all liquor marked down 25%. So I figured what better time to restock the bar? I've already paid them one visit and purchased:

1.75L Smirnoff
1L Jameson
1L Captain Morgan
1L Cuervo 1800
750mL Appleton Estate rum.

All that booze was about $80

What I'm wondering is there are some rather dusty bottles of Remy Martin Grand Cru (clear bottle) that have been up on the top shelf for years I'm guessing. The temperature in that store has always been on the warm side. Think it would be okay to purchase a bottle? The sale price of $24.xx is kind of hard to ignore.

the MacDonald · 07-29-2010, 04:55 PM

Cognac doesn't change in the bottle, and is nearly indestructable, heat, cold, anything short of smashing the bottle will not effect it. I'd buy it in a heartbeat, whether you open it tomarrow or save it for years it's a good find.

pektel · 07-29-2010, 05:00 PM

Just the info I needed. Thanks Joe!

Bill86 · 08-10-2010, 03:41 AM

Jamesons alway's good cheap whiskey. Cuervo 1800....aren't those 2 different bottles?

Coach Deg · 08-10-2010, 06:08 AM

Nice buy! Buy it all!!!

ucla695 · 08-10-2010, 07:29 AM

Clean 'em out!

mosesbotbol · 08-10-2010, 07:45 AM

The heat can damage any alcohol and when booze is stored up high & inside, the winter is the worst time of the year. The heat is on and heat rises.

What I think you'll find in that bottle is the aromatics are deteriorated due to time in bottle and heat. Although cognac does not “go bad”, there is a difference between fresh bottled cognac and cognac in the bottle for extended amounts of time.

All that being said, $25 for that XO is not a bad price. XO’s minimum age is just 6 years and the premier brands of cognac start at least at XO levels but do not market anything as XO as they are all beyond that. Think of what a 6 year old rum would go for? Not that much.

08-13-2010, 04:52 AM

I keep a cloth hood over my bottles if XIII & Richard Hennessy to keep any light off the bottle.

Barcode · 08-13-2010, 05:17 AM

Was the bottle stored upright or on its side? If it was stored upright the cork could dry out and crumble when you remove it, if it was stored on its side the booze keeps it moist and it should be fine.

TheRiddick · 08-13-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Barcode

Was the bottle stored upright or on its side? If it was stored upright the cork could dry out and crumble when you remove it, if it was stored on its side the booze keeps it moist and it should be fine.

For the most part, corks used in alcohol bottles are re-manufactured compounds and do not require as much moisture to keep shape, actually no moisture is fine. I have yet to see any alcohol bottle to be stored on its side, new or old. Walk into any serious retail shop and check how their old bottles of Armagnac are stored or old Scotch for that matter.

Wine is a whole different ball game, of course. Champagne MUST be stored up right, its imperative. Natural corks on their side, any other enclosure is fine any which way.

Exposure to sun/heat is a serious problem, of course, with sun being a bigger problem.

mosesbotbol · 08-13-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Champagne MUST be stored up right, its imperative.

Why is that. I thought it was store on its side. Not saying you are wrong, but this is new to me. Does it become rancid easy? I have seen plenty of old Champagne bottles that I was told "will kill you" if drank. Many were heavy hitters too. Such a shame.

TheRiddick · 08-14-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Why is that. I thought it was store on its side. Not saying you are wrong, but this is new to me. Does it become rancid easy? I have seen plenty of old Champagne bottles that I was told "will kill you" if drank. Many were heavy hitters too. Such a shame.

Oxidation. I lost a great bottle of Salon that way.

Just one of the sources: http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article...tml?artid=1368

I can attest myself that storing a bottle on its side even for relatively short period of time (in Champagne terms, that is) of, say, 5-6 years, will lead to oxidation. Been storing them upright since.

pektel · 08-13-2010, 09:44 AM

I've heard that storing cognac on it's side is bad, since the cork would adversely affect the flavour of the cognac.

mosesbotbol · 08-13-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pektel

I've heard that storing cognac on it's side is bad, since the cork would adversely affect the flavour of the cognac.

I have heard that too. Just like beer and Madeira is stored upright.

I would shy away from gasing the bottle either. Long term gasing effects the aromatic (from what I have been told). I have noticed this some on dry wines, but the extended keep time may be worth a less vibrant and fresh wine.

TheRiddick · 08-14-2010, 12:04 PM

Moses, oxidation in Porto is not the same thing as in Champagne, I don't think you'll like it in Champs. Temps wise, I think it is a but extreme to keep it at 55F, I wouldn't deliberately keep it at higher temps, but 60-62F and under is fine, IMO.

mosesbotbol · 08-15-2010, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Moses, oxidation in Porto is not the same thing as in Champagne, I don't think you'll like it in Champs. Temps wise, I think it is a but extreme to keep it at 55F, I wouldn't deliberately keep it at higher temps, but 60-62F and under is fine, IMO.

Old Champagne takes on a character that may not appeal to everyone. I love it when the color deepens and gets a pronounced parmaesan kind of taste.

07-29-2010, 04:46 PM	#1
pektel I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Peter Location: Grand Rapids, MN Posts: 4,320 Trading: (28)	Cognac storage question. So, a local mom and pop liquor stor is closing it's doors September 4th. Right now they have all liquor marked down 25%. So I figured what better time to restock the bar? I've already paid them one visit and purchased: 1.75L Smirnoff 1L Jameson 1L Captain Morgan 1L Cuervo 1800 750mL Appleton Estate rum. All that booze was about $80 What I'm wondering is there are some rather dusty bottles of Remy Martin Grand Cru (clear bottle) that have been up on the top shelf for years I'm guessing. The temperature in that store has always been on the warm side. Think it would be okay to purchase a bottle? The sale price of $24.xx is kind of hard to ignore.

07-29-2010, 04:55 PM	#2
the MacDonald Grey beard, funky wierd Join Date: May 2010 First Name: Joe Location: Windsor CT Posts: 148 Trading: (9)	Re: Cognac storage question. Cognac doesn't change in the bottle, and is nearly indestructable, heat, cold, anything short of smashing the bottle will not effect it. I'd buy it in a heartbeat, whether you open it tomarrow or save it for years it's a good find.

07-29-2010, 05:00 PM	#3
pektel I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Peter Location: Grand Rapids, MN Posts: 4,320 Trading: (28)	Re: Cognac storage question. Just the info I needed. Thanks Joe!

08-10-2010, 03:41 AM	#4
Bill86 Snob Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Bill Posts: 6,704 Trading: (67)	Re: Cognac storage question. Jamesons alway's good cheap whiskey. Cuervo 1800....aren't those 2 different bottles?

08-10-2010, 06:08 AM	#5
Coach Deg C O W eieio. Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Mike Location: Hudson, FL Posts: 2,853 Trading: (59)	Re: Cognac storage question. Nice buy! Buy it all!!!

08-10-2010, 07:29 AM	#6
ucla695 Neither here, nor there Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Pool Posts: 3,696 Trading: (5)	Re: Cognac storage question. Clean 'em out!

08-10-2010, 07:45 AM	#7
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: Cognac storage question. The heat can damage any alcohol and when booze is stored up high & inside, the winter is the worst time of the year. The heat is on and heat rises. What I think you'll find in that bottle is the aromatics are deteriorated due to time in bottle and heat. Although cognac does not “go bad”, there is a difference between fresh bottled cognac and cognac in the bottle for extended amounts of time. All that being said, $25 for that XO is not a bad price. XO’s minimum age is just 6 years and the premier brands of cognac start at least at XO levels but do not market anything as XO as they are all beyond that. Think of what a 6 year old rum would go for? Not that much. __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

08-13-2010, 04:52 AM	#8
Mad Max Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Cognac storage question. I keep a cloth hood over my bottles if XIII & Richard Hennessy to keep any light off the bottle.

08-13-2010, 05:17 AM	#9
Barcode Adjusting to the Life Join Date: May 2010 First Name: Tom Location: Everett, WA Posts: 477 Trading: (16)	Re: Cognac storage question. Was the bottle stored upright or on its side? If it was stored upright the cork could dry out and crumble when you remove it, if it was stored on its side the booze keeps it moist and it should be fine.

08-13-2010, 09:44 AM	#13
pektel I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Peter Location: Grand Rapids, MN Posts: 4,320 Trading: (28)	Re: Cognac storage question. I've heard that storing cognac on it's side is bad, since the cork would adversely affect the flavour of the cognac. __________________ The problem is not the problem. The problem is your ATTITUDE about the problem.

08-14-2010, 12:04 PM	#15
TheRiddick Non-believer Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Greg Location: Las Vegas Posts: 943 Trading: (7)	Re: Cognac storage question. Moses, oxidation in Porto is not the same thing as in Champagne, I don't think you'll like it in Champs. Temps wise, I think it is a but extreme to keep it at 55F, I wouldn't deliberately keep it at higher temps, but 60-62F and under is fine, IMO.