Splitting wrapper issues.

eboniknight · 02-14-2009, 03:41 PM

Pulled a couple of smokes out of the humi yesterday to enjoy on the links and had an issue that I have not experienced before. After being lit for about 10 minutes or so, the filler expanded and the wrapper started to split like crazy. Got to the point where I just gave up since I was not enjoying them. Is this caused by being too dry??

They were resting in the humi between 64-66% for about a month. Don't want to experience this with other smokes in the humi. Any suggestions would be helpful.......

Bax · 02-14-2009, 03:53 PM

Do you have a digital or analog hygro?

acarr · 02-14-2009, 04:24 PM

I seem to have gotten this once or twice in the past and I think it was because of previous storage conditions, not the current ones.

tunes · 02-14-2009, 04:27 PM

I had this happen the other day with a Hemingway signature. After a couple of minutes it split on both sides from the head down about 3/4". Never had that happen before with any other smokes from my humidor.

bobarian · 02-14-2009, 06:26 PM

I suspect over humidification. When the filler and binder are at a higher rh, they will swell up when heated and split the outer wrapper. This can also occur when moving from a warm area(inside) to a very cold one(outside).

groogs · 02-14-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

I suspect over humidification. When the filler and binder are at a higher rh, they will swell up when heated and split the outer wrapper. This can also occur when moving from a warm area(inside) to a very cold one(outside).

My first thought was an extreme temperature change, or the cigars were to moist.

Boomer · 02-14-2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eboniknight

Pulled a couple of smokes out of the humi yesterday to enjoy on the links and had an issue that I have not experienced before. After being lit for about 10 minutes or so, the filler expanded and the wrapper started to split like crazy. Got to the point where I just gave up since I was not enjoying them. Is this caused by being too dry??

They were resting in the humi between 64-66% for about a month. Don't want to experience this with other smokes in the humi. Any suggestions would be helpful.......

It serves you right, smoking cigars on a golf course in the middle of freaking winter.

MarkinAZ · 02-15-2009, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eboniknight

Pulled a couple of smokes out of the humi yesterday to enjoy on the links and had an issue that I have not experienced before. After being lit for about 10 minutes or so, the filler expanded and the wrapper started to split like crazy........

I guess a few questions come to mind first:

What was the brand/size that the mishap occurred to?

What was the wrapper type?

What's the RH in your humi or cooler currently at?

Smokin Gator · 02-15-2009, 05:38 AM

I've only had this happen once and it was recently. I was out of town and had put the humi I usually use as a dry box in my truck with 15 or so sticks. I left the humi in the truck and it got down into the 20s for a couple of nights. All of the sticks I smoke split. I am no rocket scientist but I now know not to let my sticks have dramatic temp changes any more.

taltos · 02-15-2009, 05:44 AM

I have to watch this here in the northeast during the winter and be careful about what I smoke. I have had problems with Oliva O's when taking one out of a humi and going outside when the temp is at freezing or below and rh is just about nonexistant. I find myself smoking many Gran Habanos and Oliva G Maduros since they seem to tolerate the temp and humidity change. My humis are kept at about 68 degrees and 63% rh. Just my

, hope it helps.

02-15-2009, 12:03 PM

this seems to happen to me with pepin jj line or the pepin blue all other brands do just fine,so far

02-15-2009, 05:22 PM

This usually happens to me when there's a massive change in humidity quick, like if I smoke outside and its drier than usual.

The other time is getting the crp sticks.

eboniknight · 02-16-2009, 08:30 AM

LOL....as far as golfing in winter I guess I am a glutton for punishment. I hope the wrapper issue was due to the temp change....it was about 52degrees that day. The brands were both CAO.....Gold Madura and an MX2.

ucla695 · 02-16-2009, 09:18 PM

I've had this happen several times when it has been cold outside. I think the extreme temperature and humidity change can shock the cigars. Especially for ones with Cameroon wrappers.

Swampper · 02-16-2009, 11:52 PM

I suspect a crummy wrapper. One brand in particular, mentioned a few post before, is having this problem. Several robusto's of various colored bands [red/blue/black/white] are splitting on me like crazy. No problems with any of the other sticks in my vino.

If you bought a box of these I would be calling that vendor.

02-17-2009, 05:04 AM

I too have had problems with Oliva Os and Gs, but merely from time to time and regardless of whether smoked in- or outdoors. Perhaps one or two out of every box are affected. I don't think its due to my storage conditions, as I do not have this issue with any other cigar. However, bearing in mind their usually decent construction and great value, I can tolerate a few split cigars.

02-17-2009, 05:14 AM

I've had a Graycliff that I was sooooo looking forward to smoking almost explode on me once. The thing literally cracked as I was smoking it and I noticed the swelling too, from the inside out. I feel it was almost the wrapped being too tight as it felt really solid. That particluar cigar was at 69% RH inside the humi then dry boxed at 57% for 2 days before being smoked, although it was smoked outside in cold-ish weather so maybe that had something to do with it too.

eboniknight · 02-17-2009, 11:38 AM

I getting ready to bust out some more smokes from the humi.....different brands....and give them a go. I have smoked when conditions were colder than when I played golf and had no problems. I suspect (hope) that is was a bad lot.....

02-14-2009, 03:41 PM	#1
eboniknight Hit 'em Hard and Deep! Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: JC Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 87 Trading: (0)	Splitting wrapper issues. Pulled a couple of smokes out of the humi yesterday to enjoy on the links and had an issue that I have not experienced before. After being lit for about 10 minutes or so, the filler expanded and the wrapper started to split like crazy. Got to the point where I just gave up since I was not enjoying them. Is this caused by being too dry?? They were resting in the humi between 64-66% for about a month. Don't want to experience this with other smokes in the humi. Any suggestions would be helpful....... __________________ CrAzY is as crazy does!!!

02-14-2009, 03:53 PM	#2
Bax C A P S...CAPS CAPS CAPS! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tim Location: Ringgold,GA Posts: 2,173 Trading: (70)	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. Do you have a digital or analog hygro? __________________ I'm the most interesting man in the world... but only if you find stupid stuff really interesting.

02-14-2009, 04:24 PM	#3
acarr Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,307 Trading: (34)	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. I seem to have gotten this once or twice in the past and I think it was because of previous storage conditions, not the current ones.

02-14-2009, 04:27 PM	#4
tunes Still Watching My Back Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Bruce Location: East of the Mississippi Posts: 220 Trading: (3)	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. I had this happen the other day with a Hemingway signature. After a couple of minutes it split on both sides from the head down about 3/4". Never had that happen before with any other smokes from my humidor. __________________ What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

02-14-2009, 06:26 PM	#5
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. I suspect over humidification. When the filler and binder are at a higher rh, they will swell up when heated and split the outer wrapper. This can also occur when moving from a warm area(inside) to a very cold one(outside).

02-15-2009, 05:38 AM	#9
Smokin Gator Just plain insane! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Swamp Posts: 6,237 Trading: (106)	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. I've only had this happen once and it was recently. I was out of town and had put the humi I usually use as a dry box in my truck with 15 or so sticks. I left the humi in the truck and it got down into the 20s for a couple of nights. All of the sticks I smoke split. I am no rocket scientist but I now know not to let my sticks have dramatic temp changes any more. __________________ Check out the Cigar Asylum Newbie Sampler Trade

02-15-2009, 05:44 AM	#10
taltos Really, really old Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Paul Location: Saugus, MA Posts: 2,486 Trading: (3)	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. I have to watch this here in the northeast during the winter and be careful about what I smoke. I have had problems with Oliva O's when taking one out of a humi and going outside when the temp is at freezing or below and rh is just about nonexistant. I find myself smoking many Gran Habanos and Oliva G Maduros since they seem to tolerate the temp and humidity change. My humis are kept at about 68 degrees and 63% rh. Just my , hope it helps. __________________ Jimmy, some of its magic, some of its tragic, but I had a good life all the way. He Went to Paris, J. Buffett

02-15-2009, 12:03 PM	#11
beamish Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. this seems to happen to me with pepin jj line or the pepin blue all other brands do just fine,so far

02-15-2009, 05:22 PM	#12
ChINaMaN1472 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. This usually happens to me when there's a massive change in humidity quick, like if I smoke outside and its drier than usual. The other time is getting the crp sticks.

02-16-2009, 08:30 AM	#13
eboniknight Hit 'em Hard and Deep! Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: JC Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 87 Trading: (0)	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. LOL....as far as golfing in winter I guess I am a glutton for punishment. I hope the wrapper issue was due to the temp change....it was about 52degrees that day. The brands were both CAO.....Gold Madura and an MX2. __________________ CrAzY is as crazy does!!!

02-16-2009, 09:18 PM	#14
ucla695 Neither here, nor there Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Pool Posts: 3,696 Trading: (5)	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. I've had this happen several times when it has been cold outside. I think the extreme temperature and humidity change can shock the cigars. Especially for ones with Cameroon wrappers.

02-16-2009, 11:52 PM	#15
Swampper Still Watching My Back Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indian Territory Posts: 108 Trading: (0)	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. I suspect a crummy wrapper. One brand in particular, mentioned a few post before, is having this problem. Several robusto's of various colored bands [red/blue/black/white] are splitting on me like crazy. No problems with any of the other sticks in my vino. If you bought a box of these I would be calling that vendor. __________________ Flying like a cement kite.

02-17-2009, 05:04 AM	#16
jm0307 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. I too have had problems with Oliva Os and Gs, but merely from time to time and regardless of whether smoked in- or outdoors. Perhaps one or two out of every box are affected. I don't think its due to my storage conditions, as I do not have this issue with any other cigar. However, bearing in mind their usually decent construction and great value, I can tolerate a few split cigars.

02-17-2009, 05:14 AM	#17
dentonparrots Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. I've had a Graycliff that I was sooooo looking forward to smoking almost explode on me once. The thing literally cracked as I was smoking it and I noticed the swelling too, from the inside out. I feel it was almost the wrapped being too tight as it felt really solid. That particluar cigar was at 69% RH inside the humi then dry boxed at 57% for 2 days before being smoked, although it was smoked outside in cold-ish weather so maybe that had something to do with it too.

02-17-2009, 11:38 AM	#18
eboniknight Hit 'em Hard and Deep! Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: JC Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 87 Trading: (0)	Re: Splitting wrapper issues. I getting ready to bust out some more smokes from the humi.....different brands....and give them a go. I have smoked when conditions were colder than when I played golf and had no problems. I suspect (hope) that is was a bad lot..... __________________ CrAzY is as crazy does!!!