MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smoking

Gophernut · 06-18-2009, 09:52 AM

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/...0277&gt1=31036

We all know that cigarettes have an image problem these days. You don’t see them very much in films anymore—even the villains seem to have kicked the habit. But when it comes to cigars, that’s not the case. Many people still think cigars are cool. The notion is helped by pictures of elegant men in tuxedos and a few famous women puffing away at their cigars—think of those much-circulated photos of Demi Moore and Madonna. Cigars even show up in films made for younger moviegoers. Iron Man, The Dark Knight, Quantum of Solace, and Wolverine all feature cigar-smoking.

Indeed, the American Cancer Society notes that cigars are especially popular today among adolescents and young adults. That includes all manner of cigars: hand- and machine-rolled, stogies and cigarillos.

Cigar smokers may think they’re taking less of a risk than cigarette smokers. That’s wrong, mostly. While it’s true that most cigar smokers do not inhale all the way, smoking cigars is linked to cancers that develop along the route the smoke travels—from the lips to the tongue and through the mouth and throat to the lungs.

Beyond that, smoking cigars has been shown to increase the risk of pancreatic cancer, bladder cancer, heart disease, and lung disease.

Secondhand cigar smoke poses another danger—even more so than with cigarettes. As the National Cancer Institute points out, cigars contain greater amounts of tobacco simply as a result of their bigger size. It also takes longer to puff your way through a cigar, meaning that the exposure time to toxic chemicals lasts longer.

Finally, because of the way cigars are wrapped, the smoke has higher concentrations of toxins and irritants than cigarettes. A Journal of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology study found higher levels of the toxin carbon monoxide at two cigar social events in San Francisco than on a busy California freeway.

As for nicotine—the chemical that gets you hooked on smoking—cigars contain greater concentrations of it than cigarettes. For a large cigar, it can be up to 200 milligrams. That’s 23 times the amount of nicotine in a typical cigarette. The difference is that cigar smokers—most of whom don’t inhale smoke into their lungs—absorb the smoke through the lining of the mouth.

About a third of new teenage smokers start after being exposed to smoking in movies. Talk to your kids. Remind them that smoking cigars isn’t cool.

NCRadioMan · 06-18-2009, 09:55 AM

That is an editorial, passed off as "news". Typical of MSN. Blah blah blah..........

The only fact cited:

A Journal of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology study found higher levels of the toxin carbon monoxide at two cigar social events in San Francisco than on a busy California freeway.

Big deal.

TheTraveler · 06-18-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That is an editorial, passed off as "news". Typical of MSN. Notice there are no facts cited. Blah blah blah..........

The only fact cited:

A Journal of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology study found higher levels of the toxin carbon monoxide at two cigar social events in San Francisco than on a busy California freeway.

Big deal.

I wonder how much actual NEWS we are exposed to each day through traditional outlets.

06-18-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That is an editorial, passed off as "news". Typical of MSN. Blah blah blah..........

The only fact cited:

A Journal of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology study found higher levels of the toxin carbon monoxide at two cigar social events in San Francisco than on a busy California freeway.

Big deal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by poker

Tomorrow there will be a "The dangers of sitting down" in its place. lol

Beware of hightened clot risk of prolonged sitting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3

Frankly, I will take the slightly heightened cancer risk associated with cigar smoking. The stress relief it gives me reduces my risk of my head exploding, so I feel I will live longer smoking cigars than I would if I did not.

The way I see it, smoking cigars is adding at least 10 years to my life. Being Italian, I'm a bit high strung and cigars help calm me down a bit, not to mention, keeping me from hurting others around me. So as you see, it prolongs their life as well.

Everything in life has some risk, besides, how am I going to get to heaven if I don't die??

DrDubzz · 06-18-2009, 04:08 PM

I wrote better stories than that in high school, that's not even good enough writing to be Bush League

there's a reason it's on MSN and not on a reputable info source

MedicCook · 06-18-2009, 09:56 AM

I will take my chances.

Emjaysmash · 06-18-2009, 09:58 AM

"About a third of new teenage smokers start after being exposed to smoking in movies. Talk to your kids. Remind them that smoking cigars isn’t cool. "

yes it is! :P LOL

mikeyj23 · 06-18-2009, 10:08 AM

Written by a three-year veteran who graduated from the Georgetown University School of Medicine. She's largely unpublished and looking to get articles (scholarly or non) out there.

I have yet to see the article supporting these kinds of statements:
"...smoking cigars has been shown to increase the risk of pancreatic cancer, bladder cancer, heart disease, and lung disease."

"Finally, because of the way cigars are wrapped, the smoke has higher concentrations of toxins and irritants than cigarettes."

And this just doesn't make sense...
"While it’s true that most cigar smokers do not inhale all the way, smoking cigars is linked to cancers that develop along the route the smoke travels—from the lips to the tongue and through the mouth and throat to the lungs."

I can appreciate that this is just a non-scholarly article written in a magazine, but I still wish that it would have some support for its claims. If there is a scholarly article or research showing that cigars increase the risk of pancreatic cancer, bladder cancer, heart disease, and lung disease, and cigar smoke has higher concentrations of toxins and irritants than cigarettes, I'd very much like to see it.

06-18-2009, 10:01 AM

Enjoy cigars and life as much as you can, so many things are bad for us.
Life is to short enjoy every minute of it!

ActionAndy · 06-18-2009, 10:08 AM

That line at the end is so stupid. Remind them that it isn't cool...

First off, first off buddy, nothing is "cool." "Cool" is an idiot's concept. That's what I'll be teaching my (probably accidental) child. Second, it's a completely biased opinion and has nothing to do with the article.

I could write an article on how snowboarding results in X amount of accidents per year with Y percentage of those accidents leading to severe injury. Would I be right to then end it with one pussilanimous sentence about reminding your kids that they're "uncool" if they snowboard? No, I'd be a fool and I'd get fired.

There's a cancer in mainstream "journalism." The piece cannot simply persuade or present, it must enflame. Take a look at all the talking heads: do they want you to agree with them, or do they really just want you angry at their enemy?

Fishbeadtwo · 06-18-2009, 10:15 AM

Maybe someone should tell the author that writing bogus, opinionated articles about cigar smoking "isn't cool"............

marge796 · 06-18-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Smoking Cave Out

Enjoy cigars and life as much as you can, so many things are bad for us.
Life is to short enjoy every minute of it!

^^^ I Agree ^^^

Chris.....

poker · 06-18-2009, 10:06 AM

Tomorrow there will be a "The dangers of sitting down" in its place. lol

Mugen910 · 06-18-2009, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poker

Tomorrow there will be a "The dangers of sitting down" in its place. lol

If I sit on leather seats in the sun my butt gets sweaty and that's not an editorial.

papajohn67 · 06-18-2009, 04:01 PM

Were going to hear more and more of this, cry's for the government to get involved in saving us from ourselves. However I do find it somewhat amusing that the same government that now is so concerned about my personnel health & welfare is also the same one that sent cigars out to us in Vietnam. Sundry boxes flown out on resupply days chock full of cigarettes + plugs of chewing tobacco and five packs of machine made cigars.

rizzle · 06-19-2009, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papajohn67

Were going to hear more and more of this, cry's for the government to get involved in saving us from ourselves. However I do find it somewhat amusing that the same government that now is so concerned about my personnel health & welfare is also the same one that sent cigars out to us in Vietnam. Sundry boxes flown out on resupply days chock full of cigarettes + plugs of chewing tobacco and five packs of machine made cigars.

We're treading dangerously close to turning this political here....but, I think it's the government doing the crying for more government invlovement, not us.

06-18-2009, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gophernut

About a third of new teenage smokers start after being exposed to smoking in movies. Talk to your kids. Remind them that smoking cigars isn’t cool.

This is the same dangerous train of thought that results in video games being blamed for violence and The Beatles being responsible for the Manson Family murders. There is no rationale and there is no common link.

"Hey, your kid is shooting meth a half dozen times a day."

"Oh, that's ok. At least he's not smoking cigars."

Kind of reminds me of an e-mail I just got containing the following newspaper clipping.....

"To all you hunters who kill animals for food, shame on you; you ought to go to the store and buy the meat that was made there, where no animals were harmed."

Just makes me wonder.....if ignorance is bliss, why are there so many unhappy people? /rant

M1903A1 · 06-18-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SchizoFilly

Kind of reminds me of an e-mail I just got containing the following newspaper clipping.....

"To all you hunters who kill animals for food, shame on you; you ought to go to the store and buy the meat that was made there, where no animals were harmed."

I'd like to light up a CC and ask that author to explain how meat is made in a store!

King James · 06-18-2009, 10:30 AM

There is also a study about the dangers of 3rd hand smoke out there....and it is (of course) just as dangerous as second hand

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/he...h/03smoke.html

06-18-2009, 10:33 AM

This fact just in......1 out of 1 human beings will die at least once. The truth is that something is going to kill you...be it cancer, heart disease, car crash, lightning strike, etc. I choose to not live my life in fear of death. I will enjoy to the fullest every minute God allows me to live on this earth.

06-18-2009, 09:52 AM	#1
Gophernut Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Steve Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,661 Trading: (15)	MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smoking http://health.msn.com/health-topics/...0277&gt1=31036 We all know that cigarettes have an image problem these days. You don’t see them very much in films anymore—even the villains seem to have kicked the habit. But when it comes to cigars, that’s not the case. Many people still think cigars are cool. The notion is helped by pictures of elegant men in tuxedos and a few famous women puffing away at their cigars—think of those much-circulated photos of Demi Moore and Madonna. Cigars even show up in films made for younger moviegoers. Iron Man, The Dark Knight, Quantum of Solace, and Wolverine all feature cigar-smoking. Indeed, the American Cancer Society notes that cigars are especially popular today among adolescents and young adults. That includes all manner of cigars: hand- and machine-rolled, stogies and cigarillos. Cigar smokers may think they’re taking less of a risk than cigarette smokers. That’s wrong, mostly. While it’s true that most cigar smokers do not inhale all the way, smoking cigars is linked to cancers that develop along the route the smoke travels—from the lips to the tongue and through the mouth and throat to the lungs. Beyond that, smoking cigars has been shown to increase the risk of pancreatic cancer, bladder cancer, heart disease, and lung disease. Secondhand cigar smoke poses another danger—even more so than with cigarettes. As the National Cancer Institute points out, cigars contain greater amounts of tobacco simply as a result of their bigger size. It also takes longer to puff your way through a cigar, meaning that the exposure time to toxic chemicals lasts longer. Finally, because of the way cigars are wrapped, the smoke has higher concentrations of toxins and irritants than cigarettes. A Journal of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology study found higher levels of the toxin carbon monoxide at two cigar social events in San Francisco than on a busy California freeway. As for nicotine—the chemical that gets you hooked on smoking—cigars contain greater concentrations of it than cigarettes. For a large cigar, it can be up to 200 milligrams. That’s 23 times the amount of nicotine in a typical cigarette. The difference is that cigar smokers—most of whom don’t inhale smoke into their lungs—absorb the smoke through the lining of the mouth. About a third of new teenage smokers start after being exposed to smoking in movies. Talk to your kids. Remind them that smoking cigars isn’t cool.

06-18-2009, 09:55 AM	#2
NCRadioMan Chutney Lovebusciut Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chutney Location: On the shores of Loch Shiel Posts: 4,277 Trading: (66)	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin That is an editorial, passed off as "news". Typical of MSN. Blah blah blah.......... The only fact cited: A Journal of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology study found higher levels of the toxin carbon monoxide at two cigar social events in San Francisco than on a busy California freeway. Big deal. __________________ The path to loyalty is trust. Last edited by NCRadioMan; 06-18-2009 at 10:02 AM.

06-18-2009, 04:08 PM	#5
DrDubzz Formerly RX2010 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tim Location: Virginia Posts: 2,201 Trading: (34)	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin I wrote better stories than that in high school, that's not even good enough writing to be Bush League there's a reason it's on MSN and not on a reputable info source

06-18-2009, 09:56 AM	#6
MedicCook Mila smoked my cigar Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ryan Location: Schaghticoke, NY Posts: 10,946 Trading: (7)	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin I will take my chances. __________________ 27 World Series Championship's "If your wife doesn't like the aroma of your cigar, change your wife.", Zino Davidoff

06-18-2009, 09:58 AM	#7
Emjaysmash The Hebrew Hammer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: M.J. Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 7,025 Trading: (76)	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin "About a third of new teenage smokers start after being exposed to smoking in movies. Talk to your kids. Remind them that smoking cigars isn’t cool. " yes it is! :P LOL __________________

06-18-2009, 10:08 AM	#8
mikeyj23 Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Michael Location: Texas Posts: 635 Trading: (10)	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin Written by a three-year veteran who graduated from the Georgetown University School of Medicine. She's largely unpublished and looking to get articles (scholarly or non) out there. I have yet to see the article supporting these kinds of statements: "...smoking cigars has been shown to increase the risk of pancreatic cancer, bladder cancer, heart disease, and lung disease." "Finally, because of the way cigars are wrapped, the smoke has higher concentrations of toxins and irritants than cigarettes." And this just doesn't make sense... "While it’s true that most cigar smokers do not inhale all the way, smoking cigars is linked to cancers that develop along the route the smoke travels—from the lips to the tongue and through the mouth and throat to the lungs." I can appreciate that this is just a non-scholarly article written in a magazine, but I still wish that it would have some support for its claims. If there is a scholarly article or research showing that cigars increase the risk of pancreatic cancer, bladder cancer, heart disease, and lung disease, and cigar smoke has higher concentrations of toxins and irritants than cigarettes, I'd very much like to see it.

06-18-2009, 10:01 AM	#9
Smoking Cave Out Guest Posts: n/a	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin Enjoy cigars and life as much as you can, so many things are bad for us. Life is to short enjoy every minute of it!

06-18-2009, 10:08 AM	#10
ActionAndy Dayman, Master of Karate Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Andy Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 671 Trading: (7)	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin That line at the end is so stupid. Remind them that it isn't cool... First off, first off buddy, nothing is "cool." "Cool" is an idiot's concept. That's what I'll be teaching my (probably accidental) child. Second, it's a completely biased opinion and has nothing to do with the article. I could write an article on how snowboarding results in X amount of accidents per year with Y percentage of those accidents leading to severe injury. Would I be right to then end it with one pussilanimous sentence about reminding your kids that they're "uncool" if they snowboard? No, I'd be a fool and I'd get fired. There's a cancer in mainstream "journalism." The piece cannot simply persuade or present, it must enflame. Take a look at all the talking heads: do they want you to agree with them, or do they really just want you angry at their enemy?

06-18-2009, 10:15 AM	#11
Fishbeadtwo Another nut j0b Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Charlie Location: Washington, the state Posts: 1,175 Trading: (9)	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin Maybe someone should tell the author that writing bogus, opinionated articles about cigar smoking "isn't cool"............ __________________ This white coat is a little tight...?

06-18-2009, 10:06 AM	#13
poker 1:11 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kelly Location: SoCal Posts: 5,280 Trading: (7)	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin Tomorrow there will be a "The dangers of sitting down" in its place. lol __________________ Cigar Asylum: A cigar board birthed without agendas, without profiting, and without advertisements. Amor puro Character is what you do when no one is watching

06-18-2009, 04:01 PM	#15
papajohn67 Reprobate From The 101st Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 911 Trading: (62)	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin Were going to hear more and more of this, cry's for the government to get involved in saving us from ourselves. However I do find it somewhat amusing that the same government that now is so concerned about my personnel health & welfare is also the same one that sent cigars out to us in Vietnam. Sundry boxes flown out on resupply days chock full of cigarettes + plugs of chewing tobacco and five packs of machine made cigars.

06-18-2009, 10:30 AM	#19
King James Regard Me! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jim Location: Dark Side Of The Moon Posts: 2,565 Trading: (2)	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin There is also a study about the dangers of 3rd hand smoke out there....and it is (of course) just as dangerous as second hand http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/he...h/03smoke.html __________________ Mob Herfin' Since 2006

06-18-2009, 10:33 AM	#20
newlifetaxidermy Guest Posts: n/a	Re: MSN.com article on the dangers of cigar smokin This fact just in......1 out of 1 human beings will die at least once. The truth is that something is going to kill you...be it cancer, heart disease, car crash, lightning strike, etc. I choose to not live my life in fear of death. I will enjoy to the fullest every minute God allows me to live on this earth.