Help!!!! First time home buyer in Cali

[bvilchez]

My wife and I are going to begin house shopping when I return home on leave. The only thing is I don't know where to start. There is so much out there and I just want to make sure my family gets the best. I see houses being sold at $250k and people make offers of up to $310k on houses (or so the listing agent says). How can I make sure my offer(s) go through....put
$5k for earnest money?

It's just so many questions and so much out there it's insane.

At least we have made up our mind that we want to live in Temecula, CA out in Riverside County.

Anyone know where I can start? I've already been on Realtor.com and Zillow and seen some houses and my wife has gone and seen the residences in person as well. Also does the VA loan mean anything nowadays? Hopefully it makes the banks pick the individual with it because it is guaranteed money from the gov't.


Sorry to ramble on all over the place but I'm just real excited and at the same time lost and nervous. Any help would be appreciated.

[macpappy]

The VA loan is still a good thing. You do your paperwork with the VA, get the form back from them saying that your loan is guaranteed and pre-approved up to a set amount and you shouldn't have a problem with the mortgage company. At least that's how it was when I used it to start buying my house back in 1993.

I had my VA paperwork in hand before we started house hunting. That gave me a better idea of what we could afford to buy and helped me dodge what would have been a big mistake. One of the houses we really liked was in a waterfront community but it was more than what the VA would guarantee so we passed on it. It was destroyed in Hurricane Katrina.

Sorry you have to buy in California though.

[RGD.]

One note is to get a home inspection done and make any offers contingent on it. Don't accept a sellers home inspection - get your own done. Check the qualifications of the home inspector.
If you find a home that does need repairs either have the current owners repair it and provide documentation that a licensed company/individual did so. If money is to be held back for the repair - get estimates and don't accept and arbitrary amount.

I'm in the structural repair business and see new home owners burned on this constantly. For example one customer I'm working with just bought a home - the seller told him it needed waterproofing and held back $8000. Problem is the home not only needs $7000 in waterproofing - it also needs another $16 grand in structural repairs.

Don't skip the home inspection!

Best of luck to you and your wife -


Ron

[Smokin Gator]

That is about the best advice you will get.

I would also add... don't get your heart set on anything. It is only a house. Make the offer you want to make. If they don't take it don't hesitate to walk away.

[chippewastud79]

Have a pre-approval ready to go. It gets your offers taken a lot more serious.

Always know what you can afford and don't get roped into anything other than a standard loan, never an ARM.

Always have a home inspection and by the most respected inspector you can find. Should take them hours to do everything, not minutes.

Look at as many properties as you have time for, don't keep yourself restricted and settle on the first house you see. Don't force it, if you can't find the perfect house, don't worry about it.

Always bargain, especially in this market. There is no such thing as a low offer, offer $10-20K less than what they are asking. There are plenty of motivated sellers out there, negotiate everything. Ask for closing concessions, a home warranty, repairs, everything. The worst they can say is "no".

Get a good realtor. You are the buyer so they get paid by the seller, don't go with any realtors that charge any kind of consulting fees or anything but their standard commision.

Good luck with the purchase of a home

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

Have a pre-approval ready to go. It gets your offers taken a lot more serious.

Always know what you can afford and don't get roped into anything other than a standard loan, never an ARM.

Always have a home inspection and by the most respected inspector you can find. Should take them hours to do everything, not minutes.

Look at as many properties as you have time for, don't keep yourself restricted and settle on the first house you see. Don't force it, if you can't find the perfect house, don't worry about it.

Always bargain, especially in this market. There is no such thing as a low offer, offer $10-20K less than what they are asking. There are plenty of motivated sellers out there, negotiate everything. Ask for closing concessions, a home warranty, repairs, everything. The worst they can say is "no".

Get a good realtor. You are the buyer so they get paid by the seller, don't go with any realtors that charge any kind of consulting fees or anything but their standard commision.

Good luck with the purchase of a home

Lots of good advice here but I would disagree with what I bolded. In a "normal" market, you would be correct but in today's market, it is very common for there to be dozen(s) of offers on a home - many of which are well above the asking price. Yes. It is a buyers market but there are so many buyers, many are getting more than their asking price. I just went thru this helpiing my daughter buy her first home. Virtually impossible to find something nice and get it for less than the asking price. (Note: This perspective is based on the market here in southern California. Other areas of the country may be different.)

[chippewastud79]

The inspection is made after an accepted offer. There is a timeline for all of these things. I believe you have 30 days after an accepted offer to get an inspection and there are many results that can void a contract if there are any blaring problems that the seller will not fix. Inspections can also reveal problems that can be deducted from the price if the seller doesn't agree to fix them.

Originally Posted by pnoon

Lots of good advice here but I would disagree with what I bolded. In a "normal" market, you would be correct but in today's market, it is very common for there to be dozen(s) of offers on a home - many of which are well above the asking price. Yes. It is a buyers market but there are so many buyers, many are getting more than their asking price. I just went thru this helpiing my daughter buy her first home. Virtually impossible to find something nice and get it for less than the asking price. (Note: This perspective is based on the market here in southern California. Other areas of the country may be different.)

Being unfamiliar with the Southern California market, you may have gotten me on that one.

I would still hestitate to say making any offer close to the asking price is a good move. There are always room for negotiations and if there are a number of offers that drive the price over what he is willing to pay, it would be easy to walk away.

I wish you the best of luck. This is a very exciting time in your life, for sure, so just keep a level head and heed a lof of this good advice.

Originally Posted by bvilchez

But say for example my wife and I like a house, do we get the inspection before the offer or after?

Already working on an agent. California is FULL of them.

You do the inspection after the offer. If something pops up that concerns you, you can always get out.

We have used the same realtor for the past ten years and owe our getting into our first home to her. She is amazing and an incredibly hard worker. Seriously, we wouldn't have been able to get our first house if it wasn't for her. That won us over from the start and she's never faltered. She doesn't take a commission if you're a buyer unlike some others I've heard about. If you want her number, PM me. She works all over Southern CA.

Originally Posted by RGD.

I'm in the structural repair business and see new home owners burned on this constantly. For example one customer I'm working with just bought a home - the seller told him it needed waterproofing and held back $8000. Problem is the home not only needs $7000 in waterproofing - it also needs another $16 grand in structural repairs.

Hey Ron - We had this very same thing happen to us....because we wanted a particular house, we agreed to get some money from the sellers to fix a problem that cost WAY more to fix ($17k) than the $1,500 we got off the pricetag. So bvilchez, be careful!

Originally Posted by Smokin Gator

I would also add... don't get your heart set on anything. It is only a house. Make the offer you want to make. If they don't take it don't hesitate to walk away.

Very good advice. Tough to stick to but stick to it!

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

Have a pre-approval ready to go. It gets your offers taken a lot more serious.

Always know what you can afford and don't get roped into anything other than a standard loan, never an ARM.

Always have a home inspection and by the most respected inspector you can find. Should take them hours to do everything, not minutes. Oftentimes, your realtor (and ours did) will provide you with a very reputable inspector.

Look at as many properties as you have time for, don't keep yourself restricted and settle on the first house you see. Don't force it, if you can't find the perfect house, don't worry about it.

Always bargain, especially in this market. There is no such thing as a low offer, offer $10-20K less than what they are asking. There are plenty of motivated sellers out there, negotiate everything. Ask for closing concessions, a home warranty, repairs, everything. The worst they can say is "no".

Get a good realtor. You are the buyer so they get paid by the seller, don't go with any realtors that charge any kind of consulting fees or anything but their standard commision.

I agree with Peter that this is a buyer's market with some exceptions. Everybody is thinking that since home prices have come down some, that now is time to buy. You're not the only one thinking this, so yeah, you're right, you might enter into a bidding war. Especially if you think the home you're considering is a good one. If you think it, then it's likely somebody else out there will think so too.

But don't let that discourage you. You have the power and the choice whether or not to enter into the bidding war. We did on our first house in 2001 and won out because we didn't make demands like the other couple (they wanted the washer/dryer, fridge, etc.). Try not to make too many demands like that. Let your bid do the talking.

Be aware that Zillow gives you a rough idea but is not always accurate.

Again, if you'd like our realtor's number, just PM me. Lots of our friends have used her and have been extremely happy. Best of luck to 'ya!

[yourchoice]

Originally Posted by pnoon

...it is very common for there to be dozen(s) of offers on a home - many of which are well above the asking price. Yes. It is a buyers market but there are so many buyers, many are getting more than their asking price.

Well good for you guys! In these parts, I've seen (and received) offers 10, 20 even as much as 50K less than asking (on a 350K +/- home). Firsthand, I don't remember seeing anything above asking for a long while. I'm not a realtor, but in the real estate business (new home builder).

Good luck in finding the home you want...there should be plenty from which to choose.

[bvilchez]

Originally Posted by pnoon

In a "normal" market, you would be correct but in today's market, it is very common for there to be dozen(s) of offers on a home - many of which are well above the asking price. Yes. It is a buyers market but there are so many buyers, many are getting more than their asking price. I just went thru this helpiing my daughter buy her first home. Virtually impossible to find something nice and get it for less than the asking price. (Note: This perspective is based on the market here in southern California. Other areas of the country may be different.)

Funny thing happened. I called to inquire about a house that my wife wanted to go and see. The asking price is $250k but one of the first things the listing agent stated was that they have offers as high as $308.

So then a question I ask myself is why have they not closed on this deal yet? Are you trying to talk me out of making an offer or trying to get me to bid higher? I may have never bought a house before but I wasn't born yesterday either.

My next question to everyone (especially the realtor BOTLs) will be military help with ta VA loan in today's economy? I'm not gettting laid off or will be losing my job until I retire (which is no time soon). Shouldn't the sellers and the banks see that as a solid individual?

[bvilchez]

This is all great advice. But say for example my wife and I like a house, do we get the inspection before the offer or after?

Already working on an agent. California is FULL of them.

I appreciate the advice. I'm all excited and everything and I know how I rush into things. But i just can't rush into this. Too expensive of a buy. Most expensive things I've ever bought were a box of God of Fire, wife's engagement rings and my Tahoe.

Please keep the advice coming. Thanks

[bvilchez]

WOW!!!!! Lots of info to tackle but definitely good info.

I really appreciate the time everyone has taken to give me some input on this. I know myself and don't want to get carried away.

Keep them coming if you can. I'm literally taking notes on this.

[fxpose]

Originally Posted by bvilchez

I see houses being sold at $250k and people make offers of up to $310k on houses (or so the listing agent says).

Don't believe what they tell you. Never offer more than the asking price. In fact, offer less and they will counter.
Of course, this all depends on the region and market conditions.

[MikeyC]

Originally Posted by fxpose

Don't believe what they tell you. Never offer more than the asking price. In fact, offer less and they will counter.
Of course, this all depends on the region and market conditions.

The part that I bolded is a HUGE caveat. Listen to your realtor. They know the actual market conditions better than your local newspaper, TV news broadcaster, next door neighbor, uncle Fred, or whoever else you may poll. Your realtor will guide you as to the value of the property you are interested in and what the current market conditions are so that you can come up with an appropriate amount to offer that will give you the best chance not only to get the house but also for the least amount of money.

While there is a lot of good advice on here take it all with a grain of salt. Your local market conditions will likely be different than many of the people who offered advice. Also, keep in mind that many of the people who responded in this thread are not real estate professionals. People will learn a lot during the process of buying/selling real estate during their lives. But doing one transaction every 3, 5, or even 10 years does not make you as expert as a professional who goes through 10 or maybe 20 transactions every year.

The best advice I personally can offer you is to find yourself a trustworthy (not all are unfortunately), hard working, and intelligent realtor. While an agent of this type is not always easy to find (and is often NOT the guy who does the most business ironically) if you can find one their services will be invaluable. Plus, if CA is anything like MA, the seller pays all the agents commissions and so it will cost you nothing. Many people will say to you "don't get your own realtor. Go direct and get the listing agent to reduce his commission. This will reduce your expenses." In my experience 9 out of 10 times those people end up overpaying for the property. So, getting the commission reduced in the end saved no money.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by MikeyC

The part that I bolded is a HUGE caveat. Listen to your realtor. They know the actual market conditions better than your local newspaper, TV news broadcaster, next door neighbor, uncle Fred, or whoever else you may poll. Your realtor will guide you as to the value of the property you are interested in and what the current market conditions are so that you can come up with an appropriate amount to offer that will give you the best chance not only to get the house but also for the least amount of money.

While there is a lot of good advice on here take it all with a grain of salt. Your local market conditions will likely be different than many of the people who offered advice. Also, keep in mind that many of the people who responded in this thread are not real estate professionals. People will learn a lot during the process of buying/selling real estate during their lives. But doing one transaction every 3, 5, or even 10 years does not make you as expert as a professional who goes through 10 or maybe 20 transactions every year.

The best advice I personally can offer you is to find yourself a trustworthy (not all are unfortunately), hard working, and intelligent realtor. While an agent of this type is not always easy to find (and is often NOT the guy who does the most business ironically) if you can find one their services will be invaluable. Plus, if CA is anything like MA, the seller pays all the agents commissions and so it will cost you nothing. Many people will say to you "don't get your own realtor. Go direct and get the listing agent to reduce his commission. This will reduce your expenses." In my experience 9 out of 10 times those people end up overpaying for the property. So, getting the commission reduced in the end saved no money.

By far, the best post in the whole thread.

[MikeyC]

Originally Posted by RGD.

Don't mean to harp on this subject - and I will stop after this - it's just that I see this constantly in my line of work. Make sure the home inspector is certified with "The American Society of Home Inspectors (ASHI)". In most any area all a person has to do is print up a business card and call themselves a home inspector. And once they identify there is a problem - as suggested above - call a contractor. In my line of foundation and structural repairs - most inspectors can say there is a problem but they don't normally know how to fix or the cause or the cost.

Anyway -

Ron

That will differ from state-to-state as well. In MA you have to be licensed by the state. I don't know what the licensing requirement is, but I know they have to be licensed. Extra designations like the ASHI certification never hurts either.

Originally Posted by pnoon

By far, the best post in the whole thread.

Thanks! That's why I'm a real estate professional.

[cbsmokin]

Since this is your first house don't forget the importance of sweat equity. The place you buy (epically your first) does not have to be perfect and actually you can save a lot of money if you are willing to do some simple jobs yourself.

Be wary of the Realtors, a good one is very hard to find. With out having worked with one before it will be more difficult. They should prepare a file for you. It will educate you about area trends (with actual figures of sales in the area), schools, property taxes, grocery stores, emergency services, etc. Also, don't be afraid to overwork them. Make them show you 100 homes if needed.

FWIW FHA rates on a 30yr fixed are about 5% right now so your VA should be the same.

One last thing ... make sure the house has a place for you to smoke your cigars!