Joe Cigar Selling Seconds?

naamanf · 05-03-2010, 09:43 PM

I have been purchase a decent amount of cigars recently from CI's Joe Cigar to build up my deployment collection. I just received some Decade Toros that just don't look right. I have a box of the torpedoes at home and the quality on these just don't look to be the same caliber. Plus the wrapper seems to be dyed to make it darker, when I wet it a bit it rubs off brown. The box I have definitely didn't do this. I have not had the chance to smoke one yet thought.

So this leads me to wonder if CI is putting labels on seconds and selling them as first on JC?

Ogre · 05-03-2010, 09:46 PM

I hope not, I have placed 2 orders with them and everything was alright. I would contact them and see if they will set it right. Good luck brother.

neoflex · 05-03-2010, 09:48 PM

It would be a lie if I said that this question has never come up before on both message boards and in personal conversations with other smokers. You are not alone in wondering this same thing.

tomc3084 · 05-03-2010, 09:55 PM

wow, this is Fd up if theyre doing this......definitely call them if you haven't already....I have seen dye rubbed of a OWR Maduro like I have seen on no other cigar before....

Tripp · 05-03-2010, 09:55 PM

It may be my imagination, but quite a few cigars I've gotten from JC seem inconsistent when compared to the same cigar, which I've bought elsewhere.

DropTheE · 05-03-2010, 10:06 PM

Not really a seconds thing but I have noticed that their shipping is all messed up and they are falling behind in customer service. I ordered some Camachos that were in stock two weeks ago and still have note received them. They told me that they are lost in their new warehouse and they can't find them. They tripled the order at no charge but I am still waiting on my sticks. I told them that until that I receive my order, I am giving my business to other companies that can deliver product.

Bring it to their attention, they make enough money that they should be backing up their stuff, if they can't then they should not be getting business.
Service and quality are very important to me.

naamanf · 05-03-2010, 10:03 PM

Well at least it isn't just me then. I don't think all of them are seconds but would seem like some are. I think to be safe from now on I will just stick with CB and purchase boxes when I am looking to save a bit of cash on NCs.

guado · 05-03-2010, 10:04 PM

IT's CI....i stopped trusting anything from them many moons ago.

naamanf · 05-03-2010, 10:26 PM

I just sent their customer service a WTF so we will see what they have to say.

They all have a funky caps that just don't look fitting of a top end cigar. Plus I am no expert but I don't think the brown from the maduro should come off onto your hands. The wrapper just has a fake brown color to it.

neoflex · 05-03-2010, 10:38 PM

Like I mentioned before this question has come up in the past, plus you also have the Rocky factor involved too which I do not trust the quality of his sticks too much either these days.

Starz26 · 05-04-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by naamanf

Plus I am no expert but I don't think the brown from the maduro should come off onto your hands. The wrapper just has a fake brown color to it.

Thats because RP dyes their wrappers.....

dannysguitar · 05-04-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Starz26

Thats because RP dyes their wrappers.....

My thoughts exactly. I wonder what he says when confronted with this...

wayner123 · 05-04-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dannysguitar

My thoughts exactly. I wonder what he says when confronted with this...

Probably nothing as a lot of major cigar companies "dye" their wrappers.

wayner123 · 05-04-2010, 10:53 AM

Tuxguy · 05-05-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dannysguitar

My thoughts exactly. I wonder what he says when confronted with this...

I will ask him tonight. He is coming for an event.

T.G · 05-05-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuxguy

I will ask him tonight. He is coming for an event.

Make sure you take one of these with you for when you get the answer:

akumushi · 05-03-2010, 10:36 PM

Could it be that RP's QC is slipping, or are the Decades you've sourced from other vendors recently been much better? I wouldn't be so quick to blame it on CI. Sometimes, if you're paying a big discount for samplers, there's a reason they're discounted. They may not be seconds per se, but CI could feasably buy boxes or cases of cigars that other vendors passed up, it happens all the time with CC vendors. Also, it could be that CI has a deal with certain producers where they buy up unboxed bundles of uglies that aren't quite "seconds" but didn't make it into boxes. Something has got to explain why some of their samplers are so far below MSRP.

quantim0 · 05-03-2010, 11:24 PM

I picked up one of their deals a while back. Out of the 3 sticks I've smoked from it, 2 have been totally plugged and unsmokable. That's the same number of plugged sticks that I've had total from all the other one's I've had. They sat in my humidor for 3 weeks before I tried the first one, so they should have had time to settle down from shipping. It makes me hesitant to order from them again.

05-04-2010, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by quantim0

I picked up one of their deals a while back. Out of the 3 sticks I've smoked from it, 2 have been totally plugged and unsmokable. That's the same number of plugged sticks that I've had total from all the other one's I've had. They sat in my humidor for 3 weeks before I tried the first one, so they should have had time to settle down from shipping. It makes me hesitant to order from them again.

CI sticks are very wet. They do need a good deal of time in the humidor first. Seems like risky policy if there are seconds.

05-04-2010, 07:45 AM

Not sure about CI but Cbid sells damaged cigars. I bought a lot of cigars on Cbid and some of the boxes would be opened and resealed with a sticker that said "opened for inspection". Everyone that was "opened for inspection" was filled with damaged cigars. It was like they took all the returns for cracked wrapper or stems breaking through the wrapper and put them into one box and sent it out hoping someone would not want to take the time to return it. I stopped doing business with Cbid, CI and all affiliated companies.

05-03-2010, 09:43 PM	#1
naamanf Just in from the Storm Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Naaman Location: Al Anbar Iraq, Manhattan KS Posts: 22 Trading: (0)	Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? I have been purchase a decent amount of cigars recently from CI's Joe Cigar to build up my deployment collection. I just received some Decade Toros that just don't look right. I have a box of the torpedoes at home and the quality on these just don't look to be the same caliber. Plus the wrapper seems to be dyed to make it darker, when I wet it a bit it rubs off brown. The box I have definitely didn't do this. I have not had the chance to smoke one yet thought. So this leads me to wonder if CI is putting labels on seconds and selling them as first on JC?

05-03-2010, 09:46 PM	#2
Ogre **CENSORED** Join Date: Apr 2010 First Name: Larry Location: Central Florida Posts: 12,068 Trading: (46)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? I hope not, I have placed 2 orders with them and everything was alright. I would contact them and see if they will set it right. Good luck brother.

05-03-2010, 09:48 PM	#3
neoflex I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: John Location: Monroe, NC Posts: 2,765 Trading: (32)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? It would be a lie if I said that this question has never come up before on both message boards and in personal conversations with other smokers. You are not alone in wondering this same thing. __________________

05-03-2010, 09:55 PM	#4
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05-03-2010, 09:55 PM	#5
Tripp Pepin Ho of the NorthWest Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tripp Location: Portland, OR Posts: 487 Trading: (5)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? It may be my imagination, but quite a few cigars I've gotten from JC seem inconsistent when compared to the same cigar, which I've bought elsewhere. __________________ Make sure you visit the chat! Newcomers welcome. Pete_Johnson: Tripp get the ** out of here with that bull** Benchmade. C'mon Son!

05-03-2010, 10:06 PM	#6
DropTheE Loves Wolfgang Guitars!! Join Date: Mar 2010 First Name: Dan Location: Location, Location Posts: 929 Trading: (32)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? Not really a seconds thing but I have noticed that their shipping is all messed up and they are falling behind in customer service. I ordered some Camachos that were in stock two weeks ago and still have note received them. They told me that they are lost in their new warehouse and they can't find them. They tripled the order at no charge but I am still waiting on my sticks. I told them that until that I receive my order, I am giving my business to other companies that can deliver product. Bring it to their attention, they make enough money that they should be backing up their stuff, if they can't then they should not be getting business. Service and quality are very important to me. __________________ Never Play Leapfrog with a Unicorn!!

05-03-2010, 10:03 PM	#7
naamanf Just in from the Storm Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Naaman Location: Al Anbar Iraq, Manhattan KS Posts: 22 Trading: (0)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? Well at least it isn't just me then. I don't think all of them are seconds but would seem like some are. I think to be safe from now on I will just stick with CB and purchase boxes when I am looking to save a bit of cash on NCs.

05-03-2010, 10:04 PM	#8
guado OCD cigar hoarder Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 379 Trading: (4)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? IT's CI....i stopped trusting anything from them many moons ago. __________________

05-03-2010, 10:26 PM	#9
naamanf Just in from the Storm Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Naaman Location: Al Anbar Iraq, Manhattan KS Posts: 22 Trading: (0)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? I just sent their customer service a WTF so we will see what they have to say. They all have a funky caps that just don't look fitting of a top end cigar. Plus I am no expert but I don't think the brown from the maduro should come off onto your hands. The wrapper just has a fake brown color to it.

05-03-2010, 10:38 PM	#10
neoflex I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: John Location: Monroe, NC Posts: 2,765 Trading: (32)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? Like I mentioned before this question has come up in the past, plus you also have the Rocky factor involved too which I do not trust the quality of his sticks too much either these days. __________________

05-04-2010, 10:53 AM	#14
wayner123 Country Gentleman Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Deltona, FL Posts: 2,351 Trading: (159)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? __________________ 'It is an honor for a man to keep aloof from strife; But every fool will be quarrelling.'

05-03-2010, 10:36 PM	#17
akumushi Habanos Apologist Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,298 Trading: (11)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? Could it be that RP's QC is slipping, or are the Decades you've sourced from other vendors recently been much better? I wouldn't be so quick to blame it on CI. Sometimes, if you're paying a big discount for samplers, there's a reason they're discounted. They may not be seconds per se, but CI could feasably buy boxes or cases of cigars that other vendors passed up, it happens all the time with CC vendors. Also, it could be that CI has a deal with certain producers where they buy up unboxed bundles of uglies that aren't quite "seconds" but didn't make it into boxes. Something has got to explain why some of their samplers are so far below MSRP. __________________ "Eventually, however, every ash must drop. And the drop usually is as sudden as it is final."

05-03-2010, 11:24 PM	#18
quantim0 Feeling at Home Join Date: Jan 2010 First Name: Andrew Location: Palm Bay, Fl Posts: 528 Trading: (20)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? I picked up one of their deals a while back. Out of the 3 sticks I've smoked from it, 2 have been totally plugged and unsmokable. That's the same number of plugged sticks that I've had total from all the other one's I've had. They sat in my humidor for 3 weeks before I tried the first one, so they should have had time to settle down from shipping. It makes me hesitant to order from them again. __________________ All animals are equal, but some are more equal then others. -George Orwell

05-04-2010, 07:45 AM	#20
Trouble Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? Not sure about CI but Cbid sells damaged cigars. I bought a lot of cigars on Cbid and some of the boxes would be opened and resealed with a sticker that said "opened for inspection". Everyone that was "opened for inspection" was filled with damaged cigars. It was like they took all the returns for cracked wrapper or stems breaking through the wrapper and put them into one box and sent it out hoping someone would not want to take the time to return it. I stopped doing business with Cbid, CI and all affiliated companies.