6-Year old suspended - camping utensil?

TripleF · 10-13-2009, 08:23 AM

Did you all see this?

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/zachary-ch...ory?id=8812939

Talk about roasting my coffee beans

Blueface · 10-13-2009, 08:41 AM

You beat me to it.

What is this world coming to?
This kid is a boy scout. He is a good kid. He wears a freaking tie to go to school. Who the heck does that today?

He is suspended and will have to go to reform school for 45 days.
All due to a zero tolerance rule.
What did he take? A camping tool with a spoon, fork and cake like knife. He wanted to eat lunch with it.

Is it right? Should he be allowed to have it? Of course not. Should there be some form of punishment? Of course. However, where the hell has common sense gone? This is nuts. Ruin a good kid in reform school? Suspended from school for 5 days and then 45 days of reform school additionally?

This is not a Columbine type situation. This is outrageous!

10-13-2009, 08:44 AM

YEah that's eff'd up. I heard recently about a teenage girl who got the "ban on drugs" rules applied to her for taking her birth control pill at school.

It's sad that there has to be a need for such strict rules.

That being said, I don't think a parent shoudl be giving a kid a swiss army knife at 6 to take to school. I think I got my first knife at 9, a rather large lock blade buck knife, that I still have. I knew enough to not to take it to school though.

TripleF · 10-13-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DoctorBJ

YEah that's eff'd up. I heard recently about a teenage girl who got the "ban on drugs" rules applied to her for taking her birth control pill at school.

It's sad that there has to be a need for such strict rules.

That being said, I don't think a parent shoudl be giving a kid a swiss army knife at 6 to take to school. I think I got my first knife at 9, a rather large lock blade buck knife, that I still have. I knew enough to not to take it to school though.

Just a thought,,,,, most 6 year olds when I was a 6 year old carried knives. No problems.

10-13-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleF

Just a thought,,,,, most 6 year olds when I was a 6 year old carried knives. No problems.

Where did you grow up? Compton?

TripleF · 10-13-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DoctorBJ

Where did you grow up? Compton?

It's not "where" it's when, when we didn't have to worry about namby pamby wuss asses calling us in if we had a pocket knife. Oh BTW, I always carry 3 pocket knives today

I dare ya to ask, at the EPIC HERF 2 if.........."Anybody got a knife?"

GoodFella · 10-13-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleF

It's not "where" it's when, when we didn't have to worry about namby pamby wuss asses calling us in if we had a pocket knife. Oh BTW, I always carry 3 pocket knives today

I dare ya to ask, at the EPIC HERF 2 if.........."Anybody got a knife?"

oh man i have hefed you guys before. i know how it goes. Out of ten guys you will get 15 blades.

And probley 2 hand guns

Blueface · 10-14-2009, 08:48 AM

Well,
Looks like Zachary is on his way back to school.
The board met last night and changed their policy.
Kids are now subject to a 3 to 5 day suspension and possible counseling with parents present.

What does this show? To me, that folks can get nuts sometimes and not see the forest for the trees. They make rules intended to do well but can't see the rules are flawed. Also shows if folks are outraged and speak up, things do change.

Glad to hear this little guy is on his way back to his regular school and friends and was not exposed to reform school.

Blueface · 10-13-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DoctorBJ

That being said, I don't think a parent shoudl be giving a kid a swiss army knife at 6 to take to school.

He is a Boy Scout and that is how he got it.
Mother didn't know he took it to school.

BlackDog · 10-13-2009, 08:58 AM

Even though I think the way this is being handled is assinine, the utensil does have a pretty good sized blade. Here is a picture of the actual utensil.

Blueface · 10-13-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackDog

Even though I think the way this is being handled is assinine, the utensil does have a pretty good sized blade. Here is a picture of the actual utensil.

Agree.
This should not be allowed anywhere near a school.
Agree there should be some form of punishment.
However, 50 days away from school, with 45 in reform school, for a 6 yr old kid who is a good student and role model of a kid? Nope. Nuts!

TheTraveler · 10-13-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

Agree.
This should not be allowed anywhere near a school.
Agree there should be some form of punishment.
However, 50 days away from school, with 45 in reform school, for a 6 yr old kid who is a good student and role model of a kid? Nope. Nuts!

I agree 100%. What a great way to go WAY THE F*#K overboard in their response!

icantbejon · 10-13-2009, 09:00 AM

I think it's absolutely absurd that they're talking about reform school. I can see slapping the kid on the wrist for making a stupid mistake...but at that age it should come in the form of banning him from recess for a week. He's 6 for crying out loud! He's in first grade? Things have gone too far...and like most people have said, it's a damn shame.

10-13-2009, 10:06 AM

for the record, I'm not in favor of a delinquent or reform program... suspend the kid for a few days and call it a day. The suspension will make sure the parents pay attention to what their kids are taking to school.

I was a boy scout and carried knives often. But, I knew when it was appropriate and when it wasn't . I'm sure the school had plastic utinsels the kid could use.

Stig · 10-13-2009, 11:24 AM

He is 6 years old and was inteding to use the tool as an eating utensil as it was intended. While I am not condoning this I will say that from what I read it does not appear that there was any intent to use it to do anything other than eat with it. Explan to him that he can't bring that to school to eat with and call it a day. And for those screaming about the zero tolerence just keep in mind that it is entirely possibly to kill or mame somone with a plastic fork, knife or spoon and the use of a metal blade isn't needed. The world we live in is a dangerous place but it is anything but black and white.

ade06 · 10-13-2009, 11:18 AM

I was a cub/boy scout back in the day and had several knives, but, my parents and I knew better than to bring knives to school (regardless of whether they doubled as "camping utensils"). I think that the 45 day suspension is crazy long, but, I don't have a problem with rules being carried out equally across the board to all violators (regardless of whether they were a "good" student or a bad one). I think that the standard suspension term needs to be re-evaluated. For example, maybe the 1st violation = 5 day suspension, 2nd violation = 45 days, and 3rd = explusion.

Lastly, since the straight "A" kid wore suits and ties to school, maybe the knife was for protection???

Poronico · 10-13-2009, 11:27 AM

these situations are getting out of hand, I was let go from a pharmacy job at target because I carry a leatherman for when i need to fix something on the go... I was packing a knife in the pharmacy is what I was told and fired on the spot.

Stig · 10-13-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Poronico

these situations are getting out of hand, I was let go from a pharmacy job at target because I carry a leatherman for when i need to fix something on the go... I was packing a knife in the pharmacy is what I was told and fired on the spot.

So you were fired for being in posession of something that you can actualy purchase in the store where you were working? Priceless.

Starscream · 10-13-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Stig

So you were fired for being in posession of something that you can actualy purchase in the store where you were working? Priceless.

ade06 · 10-13-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Stig

So you were fired for being in posession of something that you can actualy purchase in the store where you were working? Priceless.

They sell shotguns and shells at WallyWorld, but I'm sure they wouldn't like their employees walking around the store with loaded shotguns.

I know it's not the same as a knife, but, I'm just saying...

10-13-2009, 08:23 AM	#1
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10-13-2009, 08:41 AM	#2
Blueface Gramps 4x's Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Horatio Seymore Hiny Location: Boca Raton - North of La Habana Posts: 8,774 Trading: (8)	Re: 6-Year old suspended - camping utensil? You beat me to it. What is this world coming to? This kid is a boy scout. He is a good kid. He wears a freaking tie to go to school. Who the heck does that today? He is suspended and will have to go to reform school for 45 days. All due to a zero tolerance rule. What did he take? A camping tool with a spoon, fork and cake like knife. He wanted to eat lunch with it. Is it right? Should he be allowed to have it? Of course not. Should there be some form of punishment? Of course. However, where the hell has common sense gone? This is nuts. Ruin a good kid in reform school? Suspended from school for 5 days and then 45 days of reform school additionally? This is not a Columbine type situation. This is outrageous! __________________ Little known fact: I am a former member of the Village People - The Indian

10-13-2009, 08:44 AM	#3
DoctorBJ Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 6-Year old suspended - camping utensil? YEah that's eff'd up. I heard recently about a teenage girl who got the "ban on drugs" rules applied to her for taking her birth control pill at school. It's sad that there has to be a need for such strict rules. That being said, I don't think a parent shoudl be giving a kid a swiss army knife at 6 to take to school. I think I got my first knife at 9, a rather large lock blade buck knife, that I still have. I knew enough to not to take it to school though.

10-14-2009, 08:48 AM	#8
Blueface Gramps 4x's Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Horatio Seymore Hiny Location: Boca Raton - North of La Habana Posts: 8,774 Trading: (8)	Re: 6-Year old suspended - camping utensil? Well, Looks like Zachary is on his way back to school. The board met last night and changed their policy. Kids are now subject to a 3 to 5 day suspension and possible counseling with parents present. What does this show? To me, that folks can get nuts sometimes and not see the forest for the trees. They make rules intended to do well but can't see the rules are flawed. Also shows if folks are outraged and speak up, things do change. Glad to hear this little guy is on his way back to his regular school and friends and was not exposed to reform school. __________________ Little known fact: I am a former member of the Village People - The Indian

10-13-2009, 08:58 AM	#10
BlackDog Gonna make you groove... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Warren Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,468 Trading: (19)	Re: 6-Year old suspended - camping utensil? Even though I think the way this is being handled is assinine, the utensil does have a pretty good sized blade. Here is a picture of the actual utensil. __________________ "We live in the good of this."

10-13-2009, 09:00 AM	#13
icantbejon Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jon Location: Chester, VA Posts: 1,219 Trading: (10)	Re: 6-Year old suspended - camping utensil? I think it's absolutely absurd that they're talking about reform school. I can see slapping the kid on the wrist for making a stupid mistake...but at that age it should come in the form of banning him from recess for a week. He's 6 for crying out loud! He's in first grade? Things have gone too far...and like most people have said, it's a damn shame. __________________ "Learn to pay attention. Life is hard.....it's even more challenging when you're stupid."

10-13-2009, 10:06 AM	#14
DoctorBJ Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 6-Year old suspended - camping utensil? for the record, I'm not in favor of a delinquent or reform program... suspend the kid for a few days and call it a day. The suspension will make sure the parents pay attention to what their kids are taking to school. I was a boy scout and carried knives often. But, I knew when it was appropriate and when it wasn't . I'm sure the school had plastic utinsels the kid could use.

10-13-2009, 11:24 AM	#15
Stig Dead Pool Junkie Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Matt Location: Right Coast Posts: 318 Trading: (2)	Re: 6-Year old suspended - camping utensil? He is 6 years old and was inteding to use the tool as an eating utensil as it was intended. While I am not condoning this I will say that from what I read it does not appear that there was any intent to use it to do anything other than eat with it. Explan to him that he can't bring that to school to eat with and call it a day. And for those screaming about the zero tolerence just keep in mind that it is entirely possibly to kill or mame somone with a plastic fork, knife or spoon and the use of a metal blade isn't needed. The world we live in is a dangerous place but it is anything but black and white. __________________ Falling Stickmen CT Pro Percussion

10-13-2009, 11:18 AM	#16
ade06 Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ade Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,190 Trading: (24)	Re: 6-Year old suspended - camping utensil? I was a cub/boy scout back in the day and had several knives, but, my parents and I knew better than to bring knives to school (regardless of whether they doubled as "camping utensils"). I think that the 45 day suspension is crazy long, but, I don't have a problem with rules being carried out equally across the board to all violators (regardless of whether they were a "good" student or a bad one). I think that the standard suspension term needs to be re-evaluated. For example, maybe the 1st violation = 5 day suspension, 2nd violation = 45 days, and 3rd = explusion. Lastly, since the straight "A" kid wore suits and ties to school, maybe the knife was for protection???

10-13-2009, 11:27 AM	#17
Poronico Teh Forever Noob Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Jesse Location: Bonney Lake, Wa Posts: 868 Trading: (5)	Re: 6-Year old suspended - camping utensil? these situations are getting out of hand, I was let go from a pharmacy job at target because I carry a leatherman for when i need to fix something on the go... I was packing a knife in the pharmacy is what I was told and fired on the spot. __________________ Fellows, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pocket, you better use them to call the tailor. "TMIMITW"