The new bold

RevSmoke · 01-12-2010, 04:54 PM

OK, I am one of those who likes big flavors. When it comes to foods, I love Thai, spicy salsa, and various hot sauces. When it comes to beer, it better have flavor, for example I don't know what Miller Lite means when it says it tastes great - it has no taste - water has more flavor. So, I tend to find myself with porters, stouts, ales, etc...

When it comes to cigars, I have a good friend who complains about the cigars I like, "If you like it, it'll probably knock me on my asterisk." (OK, so that isn't an exact quote, but the essence is there.) This is an issue of nicotine, and that sort of strength is not what is going to follow.

Here's where my question/commentary comes in.

It appears that in an effort to strive to be full-bodied and/or strong, there are cigars out there that acheive such at the expense of smoothness and flavor - if I can say it that way.

There are many cigars with some great flavors which fall all over the mild to full body spectrum. There are a couple cigars which fall in the mild category which have no flavor to them, as I like to say, they are like smoking straw.

But, now it seems to me that there are some full-bodied/strong cigars which don't seem to have much going for them except that fact. I have had a couple recently which were absolute power-houses and people have bragged about them. It wasn't that I couldn't handle them, but they were really one dimensional - strong - and not much in regard to flavor and complexity.

Is it just me? Has the full-bodied/strong crowd passed me by?

Or, are there full/strong cigars out there that don't have much else going for them?

Or, maybe they'll age all right and come around?

Or...(you have another idea)????

Peace of the Lord be with you.

icehog3 · 01-12-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Or, are there full/strong cigars out there that don't have much else going for them?

There absolutely are, Todd....you are not crazy or delusional.

akumushi · 01-12-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

There absolutely are, Todd....you are not crazy or delusional.

LFD Double Ligero comes to mind.

M1903A1 · 01-12-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by akumushi

LFD Double Ligero comes to mind.

I agree. The one time I had an LFD Double Ligero I found it packed a potent kick...and that was about it. It was like smoking paper.

bobarian · 01-12-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Poet

I left-handedly broached this same subject - misguidedly, it later appeared - when I asked on an earlier thread about Joya de Nic's new "fuerte" blend. Who the fark wants a cigar that smokes as harsh as a length of jute? Just my

, and worth every penny.

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Originally Posted by M1903A1

I agree. The one time I had an LFD Double Ligero I found it packed a potent kick...and that was about it. It was like smoking paper.

It is for these reasons that there are thousands of blends on the market. I thought the JdN Fuerte was a very pleasant smoke for a fresh cigar. Not nearly as strong as the Antano. I smoke a Dark Corojo Antano this past weekend and also thought it pleasant and flavorful. Both of these new JdN's will benefit from some down time but neither was offensively strong.

I also like the LFD DL line, depending on the vitola these can have some nice flavors.

For my taste some of the Pepin stuff out there is nothing but strength for strength's sake. But I know many of you love the Pepin stuff.

JJG · 01-12-2010, 06:40 PM

I have to disagree with the LFD sentiments in this thread. There are a lot of cigars that I believe sacrifice flavor for strength, but the LFDs aren't one of them. I've only smoked a few but none were short on flavor, and I was actually surprised at how smooth they were despite their reputation.

When reading this thread, the first cigar that came to mind for me was the DPG blue label lancero. I love the look of these but after smoking several now, it just seems like they have no taste at all. still burned the sh*t out of my nose though. total waste of time if you ask me.

rizzle · 01-13-2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by akumushi

LFD Double Ligero comes to mind.

x 2

Does nothing for me.

The Poet · 01-12-2010, 05:28 PM

I left-handedly broached this same subject - misguidedly, it later appeared - when I asked on an earlier thread about Joya de Nic's new "fuerte" blend. Who the fark wants a cigar that smokes as harsh as a length of jute? Just my

, and worth every penny.

icehog3 · 01-12-2010, 08:33 PM

I thought the LFDs I smoked some time back had pretty decent flavor as well.

One cigar I was sad to see sacrifice flavor for more power, IMHO, was when they changes the blend on the La Aroma de Cubas.

stitch · 01-12-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I thought the LFDs I smoked some time back had pretty decent flavor as well.

One cigar I was sad to see sacrifice flavor for more power, IMHO, was when they changes the blend on the La Aroma de Cubas.

I couldn't agree more ... They screwed up one of my all time favorites just for the sake of putting "Pepin" on it.

icehog3 · 01-12-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stitch

I couldn't agree more ... They screwed up one of my all time favorites just for the sake of putting "Pepin" on it.

Went from being one of my favorite NCs to a dog rocket for me, Stitch.

s15driftking · 01-12-2010, 08:38 PM

I sometimes find myself mistaking flavor for intensity (strength).

i have (like you commented on) smoked strogn cigars that were boring and dull as well.

You are not crazy!!

RevSmoke · 01-12-2010, 09:53 PM

Now, different palates deal with different flavors in different ways.

Could part of this be palate issues? Inexperienced palates?

Could part of it be that we are inclined not to speak ill of certain blends and/or makers?

I bring this up because I have a couple cigars lately that are supposedly the newest, latest and greatest, only to be disappointed that they were all power and not much in the way of flavor or complexity.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

NCRadioMan · 01-12-2010, 10:11 PM

Just like all cigars, some will love them and some won't. I like strong cigars. Some are supposed to be strong and I don't think they are but have great flavor and there are a few that I think are all power with little, true flavor. CAIN *cough cough*

RevSmoke · 01-13-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Just like all cigars, some will love them and some won't. I like strong cigars. Some are supposed to be strong and I don't think they are but have great flavor and there are a few that I think are all power with little, true flavor. CAIN *cough cough*

That's one that I was thinking.

Starscream · 01-13-2010, 07:53 AM

I like the LFD DLs.

elderboy02 · 01-13-2010, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

I like the LFD DLs.

I also love the Cain's.

Luckily, there are zillions of cigars out there for everyone

wayner123 · 01-13-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Is it just me? Has the full-bodied/strong crowd passed me by? I don't think so. It can be a lot of factors... temperature, your own pallet, etc.

Or, are there full/strong cigars out there that don't have much else going for them? Yes and No. YMMV on which you consider this, but as an industry whole I don't think that is the case.

Or, maybe they'll age all right and come around? Could be, but then again most NC's have been aged to a certain point.

Or...(you have another idea)???? How long have you noticed this phenomenon? Is it recent? Take a look at things that may have changed in your own life or in your own environment.

Hopefully that helps a bit. I would love to know the factors and timing around this observation of yours.

RevSmoke · 01-13-2010, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Is it just me? Has the full-bodied/strong crowd passed me by? I don't think so. It can be a lot of factors... temperature, your own pallet, etc. Understood. See below.

Or, are there full/strong cigars out there that don't have much else going for them? Yes and No. YMMV on which you consider this, but as an industry whole I don't think that is the case. I wasn't referring to the industry as a whole, but to just a few brands/makers that seem to be pushing that "strength" envelope.[/i]

Or, maybe they'll age all right and come around? Could be, but then again most NC's have been aged to a certain point. Yeah, I know they have been aged for a while before release, but it is also true that I have seen NCs have some serious change after a couple months and/or years.

Or...(you have another idea)???? How long have you noticed this phenomenon? Is it recent? Take a look at things that may have changed in your own life or in your own environment. I have noticed changes in blends/cigars that I have enjoyed for years, but they are rather subtle. There are some cigars that I enjoyed, but no longer find exciting. Neither of this is what I am asking about. I am speaking of the popularity of new cigars on the scene which tout themselves as full-bodied and/or bold and/or strong cigars. Like I said, I love strong cigars, have for many years. This is something different though.

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Originally Posted by wayner123

Hopefully that helps a bit. I would love to know the factors and timing around this observation of yours.

I would say that this is something I noticed in the last few (2-3) years. I know that there is a trend in American cigar smoking that the preferred smokes have been getting stronger. I am not talking about a broad generalization of the whole industry, but about a few select brands which I have smoked that make a think about their strength, and in that strength there was not much in the way of "enjoyable" flavors.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

wayner123 · 01-13-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Or, are there full/strong cigars out there that don't have much else going for them? Yes and No. YMMV on which you consider this, but as an industry whole I don't think that is the case. I wasn't referring to the industry as a whole, but to just a few brands/makers that seem to be pushing that "strength" envelope.

Which brands are these? That would help me out a lot in understanding, as there are hundreds of brands/lines to choose from.

Or, maybe they'll age all right and come around? Could be, but then again most NC's have been aged to a certain point. Yeah, I know they have been aged for a while before release, but it is also true that I have seen NCs have some serious change after a couple months and/or years.

I understood you to mean if the strength/harshness would go away. If that is what you mean, then some will some won't. I can say over the years I can count on one hand the amount of smokes that went through "serious" change from aging. But again, that's just my experience.

Or...(you have another idea)???? How long have you noticed this phenomenon? Is it recent? Take a look at things that may have changed in your own life or in your own environment. I have noticed changes in blends/cigars that I have enjoyed for years, but they are rather subtle. There are some cigars that I enjoyed, but no longer find exciting. Neither of this is what I am asking about. I am speaking of the popularity of new cigars on the scene which tout themselves as full-bodied and/or bold and/or strong cigars. Like I said, I love strong cigars, have for many years. This is something different though.

Again, which brands and vitolas are talking about?

To add as well, a good number of brands have also begun to make milder lines of their cigars as well. I call it the "macanudo money" share. They know that there are a good number of people who prefer milder cigars as well.

01-12-2010, 04:54 PM	#1
RevSmoke Ain't Never Gonna Leave Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Todd Location: Northcentral woods of Wisconsin Posts: 6,849 Trading: (51)	The new bold OK, I am one of those who likes big flavors. When it comes to foods, I love Thai, spicy salsa, and various hot sauces. When it comes to beer, it better have flavor, for example I don't know what Miller Lite means when it says it tastes great - it has no taste - water has more flavor. So, I tend to find myself with porters, stouts, ales, etc... When it comes to cigars, I have a good friend who complains about the cigars I like, "If you like it, it'll probably knock me on my asterisk." (OK, so that isn't an exact quote, but the essence is there.) This is an issue of nicotine, and that sort of strength is not what is going to follow. Here's where my question/commentary comes in. It appears that in an effort to strive to be full-bodied and/or strong, there are cigars out there that acheive such at the expense of smoothness and flavor - if I can say it that way. There are many cigars with some great flavors which fall all over the mild to full body spectrum. There are a couple cigars which fall in the mild category which have no flavor to them, as I like to say, they are like smoking straw. But, now it seems to me that there are some full-bodied/strong cigars which don't seem to have much going for them except that fact. I have had a couple recently which were absolute power-houses and people have bragged about them. It wasn't that I couldn't handle them, but they were really one dimensional - strong - and not much in regard to flavor and complexity. Is it just me? Has the full-bodied/strong crowd passed me by? Or, are there full/strong cigars out there that don't have much else going for them? Or, maybe they'll age all right and come around? Or...(you have another idea)???? Peace of the Lord be with you. __________________ Todd__ "Smoke what you like, and enjoy it!"

01-12-2010, 06:40 PM	#6
JJG Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Houston Posts: 1,260 Trading: (4)	Re: The new bold I have to disagree with the LFD sentiments in this thread. There are a lot of cigars that I believe sacrifice flavor for strength, but the LFDs aren't one of them. I've only smoked a few but none were short on flavor, and I was actually surprised at how smooth they were despite their reputation. When reading this thread, the first cigar that came to mind for me was the DPG blue label lancero. I love the look of these but after smoking several now, it just seems like they have no taste at all. still burned the sh*t out of my nose though. total waste of time if you ask me.

01-12-2010, 05:28 PM	#8
The Poet Il megglior fabbro Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Thomas Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 8,420 Trading: (2)	Re: The new bold I left-handedly broached this same subject - misguidedly, it later appeared - when I asked on an earlier thread about Joya de Nic's new "fuerte" blend. Who the fark wants a cigar that smokes as harsh as a length of jute? Just my , and worth every penny.

01-12-2010, 08:33 PM	#9
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: The new bold I thought the LFDs I smoked some time back had pretty decent flavor as well. One cigar I was sad to see sacrifice flavor for more power, IMHO, was when they changes the blend on the La Aroma de Cubas. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

01-12-2010, 08:38 PM	#12
s15driftking Go Browns! Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Bobby Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 2,763 Trading: (16)	Re: The new bold I sometimes find myself mistaking flavor for intensity (strength). i have (like you commented on) smoked strogn cigars that were boring and dull as well. You are not crazy!! __________________ diamonds/guns

01-12-2010, 09:53 PM	#13
RevSmoke Ain't Never Gonna Leave Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Todd Location: Northcentral woods of Wisconsin Posts: 6,849 Trading: (51)	Re: The new bold Now, different palates deal with different flavors in different ways. Could part of this be palate issues? Inexperienced palates? Could part of it be that we are inclined not to speak ill of certain blends and/or makers? I bring this up because I have a couple cigars lately that are supposedly the newest, latest and greatest, only to be disappointed that they were all power and not much in the way of flavor or complexity. Peace of the Lord be with you. __________________ Todd__ "Smoke what you like, and enjoy it!"

01-12-2010, 10:11 PM	#14
NCRadioMan Chutney Lovebusciut Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chutney Location: On the shores of Loch Shiel Posts: 4,277 Trading: (66)	Re: The new bold Just like all cigars, some will love them and some won't. I like strong cigars. Some are supposed to be strong and I don't think they are but have great flavor and there are a few that I think are all power with little, true flavor. CAIN cough cough __________________ The path to loyalty is trust.

01-13-2010, 07:53 AM	#16
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: The new bold I like the LFD DLs. __________________ Insert quote here.