Mid season award winners

[jonumberone]

This is probably a week too late, but i just had this conversation last night. lets see if it goes anywhere.

If the season ended at the All Star Break, Who would be your picks for the top MLB awards?

Mine

MVP
A.L. Miguel Cabrera DET
N.L. Joey Votto CIN

Cy Young
A.L. David Price TB
N.L. Josh Johnson Fla

Rookie of the Year
A.L. Brennen Boesch DET
N.L. Jamie Garcia STL

[The Poet]

And what about Fireman Of The Year? Me, I always pick Mo, but I'm prejudiced.

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by The Poet

And what about Fireman Of The Year?

That went to the blind ones on the golf course.

Fireman Of The Year
A.L. MO!... Always has been and always will be the best.
N.L. Heath Bell SD

[chippewastud79]

Mid season

MVP
AL - Hamilton or Cabrera
NL - Votto or Howard

Cy Young
AL - Lester
NL - Jimenez

Rookie of the Year
AL - Boesch
NL - Heyward

[The Poet]

[kelmac07]

Mine

MVP
A.L. Josh Hamilton TEX
N.L. Joey Votto CIN

Cy Young
A.L. David Price TB
N.L. Ubaldo Jiminez COL

Rookie of the Year
A.L. Brennen Boesch DET
N.L. Jason Heyward ATL

Where are the Chicago White Sox? 25-5 going into break???? I guess they are over looked

[chippewastud79]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

Where are the Chicago White Sox? 25-5 going into break???? I guess they are over looked

You want Konerko or Rios as the MVP? Neither of them have numbers that compare to Cabrera or Hamilton, particularly across the board.

They don't have a pitcher in the top 10 of anything except starts.

And don't have a rookie as a regular starter.

So which mid-season award did you want bestowed upon whom?

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

So which mid-season award did you want bestowed upon whom?

The only award anyone on the Whitesox could be considered for, Ozzie for Manager of the Year. Even that is debateable now that Ron Washington is coke free.

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

You want Konerko or Rios as the MVP? Neither of them have numbers that compare to Cabrera or Hamilton, particularly across the board.

They don't have a pitcher in the top 10 of anything except starts.

And don't have a rookie as a regular starter.

So which mid-season award did you want bestowed upon whom?

Rios is not worthy? The numbers are less than Miguel and Josh in some areas, but not by far. I would vote Rios for sure just because he has speed, power and hits for average. He has 23 SB's this year. That and his batting numbers mean a lot combined. Miguel has 2 and Josh has 7. I'm sorry but if you know baseball, getting on base and making things happen is a big deal. And we should almost just take Josh out of this. He has 29 more AB's than Rios. That's a lot of opportunity. Yes I know that Miguel has 79 rbi's and 22 hr's. At mid season, I think Rios is an overall better player.

More things to consider. Strikeouts- Rios 48 Cabrera 57, GDP- Rios 7 Cabrera 12, %chance of hitting into double play- Rios 12% Cabrera 15%,

Something important is having baserunners on when your at the plate. Especially when considering batting numbers. When Rios is AB, 208 BR's have been on base. For Miguel, he has had 68 more baserunners on base for him totaling 276 baserunners. That means more opportunity to hit people in. I wonder what Rios and his numbers would look like with 68 more people on base for him? So I think if we consider these things, numbers are put into perspective more and it makes players more comparable.

Also Rios has committed 7 less erros than Miguel.

[chippewastud79]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

I would vote Rios for sure just because he has speed, power and hits for average. He has 23 SB's this year. That and his batting numbers mean a lot combined.

Based on this Carl Crawford is a more worthy player than Rios. His stats are better across the board than Rios. More stolen bases, higher average, better slugging, more total bases, less errors.

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

I wonder what Rios and his numbers would look like with 68 more people on base for him?.

That is exactly why you need to use averages when comparing. At the time of the above statement. Cabrera had driven in about 29% of the total # of baserunners he had on. At the same time Rios drove in about 25%( I rounded up for both players). So based on those averages, had Rios had the same number of baserunners, he would have driven in around 10-12 less runners.

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by kelmac07

Mine

MVP
A.L. Josh Hamilton TEX
N.L. Joey Votto CIN

Cy Young
A.L. David Price TB
N.L. Ubaldo Jiminez COL

Rookie of the Year
A.L. Brennen Boesch DET
N.L. Jason Heyward ATL

Finally we agree on something!

I think Ubaldo is going to run away with the NL Cy Young, Price has a good shot but you can't count out Lee or King Felix.

[MedicCook]

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

Finally we agree on something!

I think Ubaldo is going to run away with the NL Cy Young, Price has a good shot but you can't count out Lee or King Felix.

Or CC.

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by MedicCook

Or CC.

Most definitely, but it's near impossible for a Yankee to win a Cy Young award.

[elderboy02]

Fireman of the year in the NL has to go to Arthur Rhodes. The man just comes in and gets people out.

[jonumberone]

Here's an interesting comparison

Alex Rios
305 AVG
15 HR
51 RBI
356 OBP

Nick Swisher
301 AVG
16 HR
53 RBI
378 OBP

No one thinks Nick Swisher should be MVP

[jonumberone]

It's on the internet so it must be true!

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ce.html?cat=14

Originally Posted by jonumberone

It's on the internet so it must be true!

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ce.html?cat=14

wow.