Wanted to Throw up :pu

neoflex · 02-16-2010, 08:26 PM

Hit a couple B&Ms today as I had some running around to do. Stopped at one and the woman working there was real nice and friendly and was trying to be helpful but after a short conversation left me be in their walk-in. After looking around I spotted a box on a high shelf that read "Anejo selections" So being the curious SOB that I am I opened the box. Low and behold they had a good number of Sharks and torps in there.My first thought was, wow the two hardest sizes to find and they still have them in stock. Again, curiousity got me and I had to turn them over to see the price. WTF!!!!!! $25 for the torps and $30 for the Sharks!!!!! I grabbed a couple other sticks that weren't over priced and headed to the register, and again the woman working there was super friendly until I brought up the Anejos. I was prob a bit of a d*ck head which made her go from nice to I can't get you out of the store so others can't hear you fast enough. I nonchalantly said "Wow, I can't believe you guys still have Anejo Sharks and torps in stock this late in the season but at those prices I guess I'm not really all that surprised." She looked at me and said "What do you mean?" Now she was asking for it so I responded with "Well at those prices you guys are marking them up over 100% of their retail price." To which she responded with "Well, that's our prices and people pay it." I just looked at her and said "Oh." With that she gave me my change and said "Take Care." This stores prices for most(not all) of their sticks tend to be a little high but the part of town it's in supports it but I thought that was just outrageous. That cr@p pisses me off. When I went back to NY for Christmas one shop had Sharks for $19 and that's with NYS tobacco tax which is high to begin with but $30 a stick! It was just fun to see her demeanor change with the conversation but I guess since they had a good amount of customers there she just wanted me out which I can't blame her. I am friendlier with one of the other guys that work there and we get along well so I'll have to bust his chops when no one is around next time I am there which isn't too often. Just thought I would share plus it astounded me since the shop I was at earlier in the afternoon has great pricing and has prices comparable to some online retailers and a much better selection of smokes to boot.

RightAJ · 02-16-2010, 08:39 PM

I have run into places like that before... Once I see outragous prices I just walk out. If they're screwing customers like that than they must not be B/SOTL and I don't need to deal with them!

I've also heard of places charging a membership fee to see the 'private' humi with the Opus', Padrons, VSGs, etc.

aj

s15driftking · 02-16-2010, 08:40 PM

this is America, that's proof that rape is legal.

bobarian · 02-16-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking

this is America, that's proof that rape is legal.

Sorry Bobby, but that is just an ignorant statement. A store owner has the right to charge whatever they want for their product. As consumers it is our right to not shop at that establishment.

There are several factors that may be involved other than greed. High overhead or they may not be a Fuente dealer therefore paid more on the secondary market.

Challenging a shopkeeper regarding pricing is always unwise, just walk and move on to another shop.

02-16-2010, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobarian

A store owner has the right to charge whatever they want for their product. As consumers it is our right to not shop at that establishment.

Challenging a shopkeeper regarding pricing is always unwise, just walk and move on to another shop.

+1 Nothing wrong with charging more than they are worth. Nobody is forced to pay it, but somewhere there is somebody that will and the shop know that. It's called supply and demand. Not gouging since cigars are not a necessity, but a luxury. I see high prices, I just move on and don't say a thing to them. I want cheaper deals, I buy online. No need for people to get worked up because somebody is trying to make money. If it's priced too high, walk away.

CasaDooley · 02-16-2010, 11:02 PM

I agree with the statements of Bob, Jason & David. We live in a free market society. If you don't like the prices at one establishment, move on to another.
I'm not trying to bust balls here, but what did you think you would accomplish by telling them "Well at those prices you guys are marking them up over 100% of their retail price." I just don't think that would really be anyones business but the store owners. Maybe it would have been better just to mention that you wanted to buy some, but they were a little out of your price line. I've had store owners lower their prices for me with just a kind word and good attitude. Just my

Pat1075 · 02-16-2010, 11:18 PM

de de de de de no. I'm just staying out of this one
Hi from you friendly neighborhood shop jocky

bazookajoe · 02-17-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Namerifrats

...It's called supply and demand. Not gouging since cigars are not a necessity, but a luxury. ...No need for people to get worked up because somebody is trying to make money. If it's priced too high, walk away.

A friend of mine owns a coffee house - is he price gouging when he sells coffee, baked goods, sandwiches etc. at two to three times his cost or more? His customers don't think so and by the time he pays all his fixed and variable costs he earns less than you'd think. If someone thinks the prices are too high they can go to any number of other places, but he has many happy and loyal customers.

I just don't get why some people get so incensed at high cigar prices. What about movie and sporting event tickets and their concession prices, branded clothing (Nike, Billabong etc.), software, drinks at local bars, food at restaurants, kid's toys, guitars etc.. I have friends in all those product industries and in many cases those things are marked up 10 times or more. It isn't price gouging, "rape" etc. when you have a choice to not buy it...

havanajohn · 02-17-2010, 05:48 PM

30.00 a stick for Sharks is very high IMHO. I was at the CI Superstore in December. I saw the Sharks and asked what the price was. The sales person looked and said 30.00 each. I said no thanks they were more them I am used to paying. He asked what that was and I told him 10.49/MSRP each in the same state (PA). He said that was not the MSRP... I said to check it out, and he will see. Well, he did. He walked up to our group that was smoking in the upper smoking area, apologized to me, and handed me a Ruination as a gift. Very classy sales person. I looked him up when I left, and picked up about 125.00 of other gars from him...-John

Blueface · 02-17-2010, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobarian

Sorry Bobby, but that is just an ignorant statement. A store owner has the right to charge whatever they want for their product. As consumers it is our right to not shop at that establishment.

There are several factors that may be involved other than greed. High overhead or they may not be a Fuente dealer therefore paid more on the secondary market.

Challenging a shopkeeper regarding pricing is always unwise, just walk and move on to another shop.

Nothing else I can add.

s15driftking · 02-16-2010, 09:01 PM

^^^ hence why i said "this is america".. they can do whatever they want... but, in my opinion, thats a "screwing".

skibumdc · 02-17-2010, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking

^^^ hence why i said "this is america".. they can do whatever they want... but, in my opinion, thats a "screwing".

You prefer an overly regulated gov't controlled system?
Fell free to move to another country

,(kidding of course)
...or just wait around long enough for the US to unfortunately drift in that direction.

Edit: Sorry I won't inject too much politics into this thread.

I simpy think a shop-owner can do as they please, within the laws. It's our JOB as consumers to choose who we purchase from and to make sure we pay what we want for a product

neoflex · 02-16-2010, 09:17 PM

Sad part is, they are a Fuente dealer and do get their product from Fuente. If they didn't I prob wouldn't have questioned the mark up as much. Surprisingly enough they are on par with their Liga Privada pricing and that has been the key factor in what has brought me back the last few times even though every single time I leave I always say I'll never shop their again. Sadly, they are the only local Liga dealer and they have had Flying Pigs in stock the last few times I have gone there. Most of everything else can be had at other shops cheaper, but the area it's in supports their pricing which on average is about $2 more than everyone else which isn't too obnoxious. Normally I do not question a shops pricing and just move on like you mentioned Bobarian but for some reason this just struck a nerve with me today. It may be the fact that the prices were just so blatantly over priced. Ahh well, it is what it is and until I nut up for a box purchase of Ligas online I'll probably be back.

jaydub13 · 02-16-2010, 09:40 PM

That is incredible... BUT, prices like those arent all that uncommon... The B&M I was at yesterday was asking $25 for a La Aurora 100 Anos. I just shook my head and grabbed something else.

Oh, and I have seen as high as $34.95 each for Anejo Sharks online...

Ratters · 02-16-2010, 11:24 PM

Hell, I think msrp is way to expensive for those things.

South Shield · 02-16-2010, 11:39 PM

Those prices seem about right for what they go for here in the Bay Area.

Skywalker · 02-17-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by South Shield

Those prices seem about right for what they go for here in the Bay Area.

Yeah that's what they fetch up here too!

bi11fish · 02-17-2010, 05:15 AM

"There is a sucker born every minute" ---Has anyone paid any attention to the prices that people are willing to pay on the Devil Site.

kelmac07 · 02-17-2010, 05:17 AM

And the sad part is that people WILL buy them.

Salvelinus · 02-17-2010, 05:30 AM

Limited supply + high demand = higher prices. Seems logical for them to charge more than suggested retail if the demand is there and the supply is not. It sounds like the shop keep might have them a little high though, based solely on the fact that they are still in stock.

At least you knew enough not to buy them at that price.

02-16-2010, 08:26 PM	#1
neoflex I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: John Location: Monroe, NC Posts: 2,765 Trading: (32)	Wanted to Throw up :pu Hit a couple B&Ms today as I had some running around to do. Stopped at one and the woman working there was real nice and friendly and was trying to be helpful but after a short conversation left me be in their walk-in. After looking around I spotted a box on a high shelf that read "Anejo selections" So being the curious SOB that I am I opened the box. Low and behold they had a good number of Sharks and torps in there.My first thought was, wow the two hardest sizes to find and they still have them in stock. Again, curiousity got me and I had to turn them over to see the price. WTF!!!!!! $25 for the torps and $30 for the Sharks!!!!! I grabbed a couple other sticks that weren't over priced and headed to the register, and again the woman working there was super friendly until I brought up the Anejos. I was prob a bit of a d*ck head which made her go from nice to I can't get you out of the store so others can't hear you fast enough. I nonchalantly said "Wow, I can't believe you guys still have Anejo Sharks and torps in stock this late in the season but at those prices I guess I'm not really all that surprised." She looked at me and said "What do you mean?" Now she was asking for it so I responded with "Well at those prices you guys are marking them up over 100% of their retail price." To which she responded with "Well, that's our prices and people pay it." I just looked at her and said "Oh." With that she gave me my change and said "Take Care." This stores prices for most(not all) of their sticks tend to be a little high but the part of town it's in supports it but I thought that was just outrageous. That cr@p pisses me off. When I went back to NY for Christmas one shop had Sharks for $19 and that's with NYS tobacco tax which is high to begin with but $30 a stick! It was just fun to see her demeanor change with the conversation but I guess since they had a good amount of customers there she just wanted me out which I can't blame her. I am friendlier with one of the other guys that work there and we get along well so I'll have to bust his chops when no one is around next time I am there which isn't too often. Just thought I would share plus it astounded me since the shop I was at earlier in the afternoon has great pricing and has prices comparable to some online retailers and a much better selection of smokes to boot. __________________

02-16-2010, 08:39 PM	#2
RightAJ Here Franky Franky Join Date: Oct 2009 First Name: aj Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 915 Trading: (3)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu I have run into places like that before... Once I see outragous prices I just walk out. If they're screwing customers like that than they must not be B/SOTL and I don't need to deal with them! I've also heard of places charging a membership fee to see the 'private' humi with the Opus', Padrons, VSGs, etc. aj __________________ My Blog-> ajstogies.blogspot.com Beer Blog->thehopscribe.blogspot.com

02-16-2010, 08:40 PM	#3
s15driftking Go Browns! Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Bobby Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 2,763 Trading: (16)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu this is America, that's proof that rape is legal. __________________ diamonds/guns

02-16-2010, 11:02 PM	#6
CasaDooley Herf Crew of 2 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kevin Location: The birthplace of Fathers Day Posts: 2,465 Trading: (41)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu I agree with the statements of Bob, Jason & David. We live in a free market society. If you don't like the prices at one establishment, move on to another. I'm not trying to bust balls here, but what did you think you would accomplish by telling them "Well at those prices you guys are marking them up over 100% of their retail price." I just don't think that would really be anyones business but the store owners. Maybe it would have been better just to mention that you wanted to buy some, but they were a little out of your price line. I've had store owners lower their prices for me with just a kind word and good attitude. Just my __________________ *Founding member of the Lilac City Dedicated Herfers*

02-16-2010, 11:18 PM	#7
Pat1075 Feeling at Home Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Patrick Location: Lakewood, OH Posts: 755 Trading: (11)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu de de de de de no. I'm just staying out of this one Hi from you friendly neighborhood shop jocky

02-17-2010, 05:48 PM	#9
havanajohn Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jul 2009 First Name: John Location: Central NJ Posts: 360 Trading: (26)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu 30.00 a stick for Sharks is very high IMHO. I was at the CI Superstore in December. I saw the Sharks and asked what the price was. The sales person looked and said 30.00 each. I said no thanks they were more them I am used to paying. He asked what that was and I told him 10.49/MSRP each in the same state (PA). He said that was not the MSRP... I said to check it out, and he will see. Well, he did. He walked up to our group that was smoking in the upper smoking area, apologized to me, and handed me a Ruination as a gift. Very classy sales person. I looked him up when I left, and picked up about 125.00 of other gars from him...-John

02-16-2010, 09:01 PM	#11
s15driftking Go Browns! Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Bobby Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 2,763 Trading: (16)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu ^^^ hence why i said "this is america".. they can do whatever they want... but, in my opinion, thats a "screwing". __________________ diamonds/guns

02-16-2010, 09:17 PM	#13
neoflex I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: John Location: Monroe, NC Posts: 2,765 Trading: (32)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu Sad part is, they are a Fuente dealer and do get their product from Fuente. If they didn't I prob wouldn't have questioned the mark up as much. Surprisingly enough they are on par with their Liga Privada pricing and that has been the key factor in what has brought me back the last few times even though every single time I leave I always say I'll never shop their again. Sadly, they are the only local Liga dealer and they have had Flying Pigs in stock the last few times I have gone there. Most of everything else can be had at other shops cheaper, but the area it's in supports their pricing which on average is about $2 more than everyone else which isn't too obnoxious. Normally I do not question a shops pricing and just move on like you mentioned Bobarian but for some reason this just struck a nerve with me today. It may be the fact that the prices were just so blatantly over priced. Ahh well, it is what it is and until I nut up for a box purchase of Ligas online I'll probably be back. __________________

02-16-2010, 09:40 PM	#14
jaydub13 aka Little Pickle Join Date: Feb 2010 First Name: Jason Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 227 Trading: (5)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu That is incredible... BUT, prices like those arent all that uncommon... The B&M I was at yesterday was asking $25 for a La Aurora 100 Anos. I just shook my head and grabbed something else. Oh, and I have seen as high as $34.95 each for Anejo Sharks online...

02-16-2010, 11:24 PM	#15
Ratters Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,848 Trading: (2)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu Hell, I think msrp is way to expensive for those things.

02-16-2010, 11:39 PM	#16
South Shield Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Travis Location: Martinez, CA Posts: 272 Trading: (0)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu Those prices seem about right for what they go for here in the Bay Area.

02-17-2010, 05:15 AM	#18
bi11fish Just in from the Storm Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Lake or The Beach Posts: 38 Trading: (0)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu "There is a sucker born every minute" ---Has anyone paid any attention to the prices that people are willing to pay on the Devil Site.

02-17-2010, 05:17 AM	#19
kelmac07 Resident Maduro Whore!! Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Mac Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 27,322 Trading: (218)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu And the sad part is that people WILL buy them. __________________ Dom in the MLB thread "I could probably get you to wear a Yankee hat for a Maduro!"

02-17-2010, 05:30 AM	#20
Salvelinus Have My Own Room Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Brendan Location: Vermont Posts: 1,116 Trading: (12)	Re: Wanted to Throw up :pu Limited supply + high demand = higher prices. Seems logical for them to charge more than suggested retail if the demand is there and the supply is not. It sounds like the shop keep might have them a little high though, based solely on the fact that they are still in stock. At least you knew enough not to buy them at that price.