Dyed Wrappers on Cigars

itsme_timd · 01-10-2010, 02:16 PM

I've heard this discussed several times but never thought much of it myself, but I got nailed with one today that made me think twice.

Since RP's OWR made #8 on CA's Top 25 I decided to pull one out of the humi and give it a shot. I've recently read some post on 'cigar wetting' and with the crazy weather here in GA this time of year my humi was a couple points low (62%) so I decided to try it out.

Well... when I rubbed the cigar this is what I got. Ridiculous. I know there are some that have said they don't care about dyed wrappers but if you've got to doctor your stuff up THIS much then you must be starting with some pretty bad wrapper leaf. And what is in the dye that he's using to get this color???

I sure won't run out to buy anymore RP's in the future.

NCRadioMan · 01-10-2010, 02:19 PM

That will happen almost all cigars. Wipe a lighter wrapper down with a white cloth and you will see.

itsme_timd · 01-10-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That will happen almost all cigars. Wipe a lighter wrapper down with a white cloth and you will see.

In my experience, although you might get a little bit of rub off on them, they are nothing like this. The picture actually shows it pretty well but it looked like I had furniture stain on my hands.

s15driftking · 01-10-2010, 02:24 PM

wow, that is crazy. I thought you were just joking at firat and going to say something like "haha, joke's on you guys, i just finished staining a table"...

WOW

NCRadioMan · 01-10-2010, 02:25 PM

The darker the pigment, the more transfer it will have.

I don't remember who it was that posted it but they "wetted" a Cuban and put it in the fridge and it left a significant brown stain on the shelf.

JE3146 · 01-10-2010, 02:33 PM

The thing that gets me about this is people rag on cigarettes for the chemicals in them.

I'm no chemist, but what does burning this pigment produce?

NCRadioMan · 01-10-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JE3146

The thing that gets me about this is people rag on cigarettes for the chemicals in them.

I'm no chemist, but what does burning this pigment produce?

If a dye is used, it's usually a food grade dye that is safe for consumption. But I'm talking about the natural pigment of the wrapper itself. Think of it like this, what happens when you submerge tea leaves. The water turns brown. Are the tea leaves dyed?

itsme_timd · 01-10-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

If a dye is used, it's usually a food grade dye that is safe for consumption. But I'm talking about the natural pigment of the wrapper itself. Think of it like this, what happens when you submerge tea leaves. The water turns brown. Are the tea leaves dyed?

I see what you're saying on that, coffee is an even better example because of how dark it gets.

However, in order for this to dye my hands instantly it was not the natural pigmentation of the cigar working it's way out of the leaf. This had to be something on the exterior of the leaf rubbing off.

Hmmm, I may need to try some 'lab tests' on this....

s15driftking · 01-10-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Think of it like this, what happens when you submerge tea leaves. The water turns brown. Are the tea leaves dyed?

my point exactly, well said!

JE3146 · 01-10-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

If a dye is used, it's usually a food grade dye that is safe for consumption. But I'm talking about the natural pigment of the wrapper itself. Think of it like this, what happens when you submerge tea leaves. The water turns brown. Are the tea leaves dyed?

Won't argue that.. but isn't that the difference between a physical reaction and a chemical reaction?

I'm talking it being burned, not submersed in water.

NCRadioMan · 01-10-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JE3146

Won't argue that.. but isn't that the difference between a physical reaction and a chemical reaction?

I'm talking it being burned, not submersed in water.

Ah, I see. That's a good question. I haven't a clue.

I would ask the same of propylene glycol. It's in alot of foods but it's also in alot of tobaccos.

JE3146 · 01-10-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Ah, I see. That's a good question. I haven't a clue.

I would ask the same of propylene glycol. It's in alot of foods but it's also in alot of tobaccos.

I'm sure it's fine, but it definitely makes me wonder.

s15driftking · 01-10-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JE3146

Won't argue that.. but isn't that the difference between a physical reaction and a chemical reaction?

I'm talking it being burned, not submersed in water.

This is an honest question with no sarcasm.

Would it matter since you do not inhale a cigar? You aren't "ingesting" any of the toxins right?

itsme_timd · 01-10-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking

This is an honest question with no sarcasm.

Would it matter since you do not inhale a cigar? You aren't "ingesting" any of the toxins right?

Just a guess here but I guess that would be like the nicotine, you don't inhale but it's still absorbed into the body.

Great discussion here!

JE3146 · 01-10-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking

This is an honest question with no sarcasm.

Would it matter since you do not inhale a cigar? You aren't "ingesting" any of the toxins right?

I think underneath your tongue is one of the most absorbent spots in all your body. At least I'm pretty sure.

Which is why people put the nitro capsules under their tongue in the event of a heart attack. Also why if my blood sugar goes too low for me to actually eat something (I'm a type 1 diabetic) and I don't have my emergency medication, my wife is to put sugar of some sort underneath my tongue, rather than forcing it down my throat and having me choke to death.

Also Nicotine is ingested without inhaling.

So while the toxins might not contribute to lung cancer, ... as I said it just makes me wonder

T.G · 01-10-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

If a dye is used, it's usually a food grade dye that is safe for consumption. But I'm talking about the natural pigment of the wrapper itself. Think of it like this, what happens when you submerge tea leaves. The water turns brown. Are the tea leaves dyed?

I believe the dye is actually often made from tobacco plant stalks, so they're basically just dying tobacco with concentrated tobacco juce tea.

Snake Hips · 01-10-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

I believe the dye is actually often made from tobacco plant stalks, so they're basically just dying tobacco with concentrated tobacco juce tea.

From everything I've read it's a molasses concoction. Makes it darker, adds sweetness.

T.G · 01-10-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Hips

From everything I've read it's a molasses concoction. Makes it darker, adds sweetness.

Possible, although I think the sugar content in molasses might cause some some severe carbonization issues both in appearance and flavor when burned.

I could see a combination of some percentage of both being used though.

itsme_timd · 01-10-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

I believe the dye is actually often made from tobacco plant stalks, so they're basically just dying tobacco with concentrated tobacco juce tea.

Interesting info. Do my beloved LP's use any of this witchcraft???

SmokinApe · 01-10-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

If a dye is used, it's usually a food grade dye that is safe for consumption.

Consumption and combustion are two different things...

01-10-2010, 02:16 PM	#1
itsme_timd Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jul 2009 First Name: Tim Location: Woodstock, GA Posts: 338 Trading: (3)	Dyed Wrappers on Cigars I've heard this discussed several times but never thought much of it myself, but I got nailed with one today that made me think twice. Since RP's OWR made #8 on CA's Top 25 I decided to pull one out of the humi and give it a shot. I've recently read some post on 'cigar wetting' and with the crazy weather here in GA this time of year my humi was a couple points low (62%) so I decided to try it out. Well... when I rubbed the cigar this is what I got. Ridiculous. I know there are some that have said they don't care about dyed wrappers but if you've got to doctor your stuff up THIS much then you must be starting with some pretty bad wrapper leaf. And what is in the dye that he's using to get this color??? I sure won't run out to buy anymore RP's in the future. __________________ Cigar Club: C4CigarClub.com ~ Twitter: TimD_C4

01-10-2010, 02:19 PM	#2
NCRadioMan Chutney Lovebusciut Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chutney Location: On the shores of Loch Shiel Posts: 4,277 Trading: (66)	Re: Dyed Wrappers on Cigars That will happen almost all cigars. Wipe a lighter wrapper down with a white cloth and you will see. __________________ The path to loyalty is trust.

01-10-2010, 02:24 PM	#4
s15driftking Go Browns! Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Bobby Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 2,763 Trading: (16)	Re: Dyed Wrappers on Cigars wow, that is crazy. I thought you were just joking at firat and going to say something like "haha, joke's on you guys, i just finished staining a table"... WOW __________________ diamonds/guns

01-10-2010, 02:25 PM	#5
NCRadioMan Chutney Lovebusciut Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chutney Location: On the shores of Loch Shiel Posts: 4,277 Trading: (66)	Re: Dyed Wrappers on Cigars The darker the pigment, the more transfer it will have. I don't remember who it was that posted it but they "wetted" a Cuban and put it in the fridge and it left a significant brown stain on the shelf. __________________ The path to loyalty is trust.

01-10-2010, 02:33 PM	#6
JE3146 Jordan #2 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jordan Location: Tigard, OR Posts: 2,115 Trading: (26)	Re: Dyed Wrappers on Cigars The thing that gets me about this is people rag on cigarettes for the chemicals in them. I'm no chemist, but what does burning this pigment produce?