What is an Aficionado

OHRD · 10-22-2009, 10:16 AM

So, I've been a member of Cigar Asylum for only a couple months but I love the dialogue I get her, the encouragement from BOTL’s, and the wide variety of cigar related news and review. I’ve also been a member of another “CA” forum for close to two years. However, recently I’ve been blasted for some of the cigars I talk about, that they are not “up to aficionado” standards and was even suggested that I should stop talking about cigars until I work through my bad taste issues. When I mentioned that I desire to find value and work on a tight budget, it was suggested that I had it all wrong—I should smoke less often and smoke better stuff. Well, if I am currently smoking 5-8 cigars a month, averaging $5 or less a stick, should I reduce my smoking to twice a month so that I can smoke up to “Aficionado” standards?

Of course I am not deterred by the statements and I’ll keep smoking and talking about the value smokes I come across. But, this begs the question for me, what is an “Aficionado” and what does that mean for those of us on tight budgets that enjoy smoking more often rather than more expensive cigars? I agree that overtime my palette will develop and I will be more distinguished at what is good/bad, but I will never feel comfortable spending $15+ on a cigar that does not have some grand occasion connected to it, such as the birth of my second child.

Thoughts???

Whee · 10-22-2009, 10:20 AM

That's why we're here.

Here, you can talk about a $2 stick or a $20 stick and get the same response for both. You can talk about the strength of NCs or the floral wonderfulness of CCs.

Here you can be a snob or a regular joe. You can smoke 5 cigars a day or 5 cigars a month. We don't care.

We're just glad you smoke 'em.

SmokeyJoe · 10-22-2009, 10:16 PM

VERY well said... exactly right. Most of us migrated from another site where one of the mantras was - "no cigar snobs." Smoke what you like...

Or as Lew Rothman, original owner of JRs is fond of saying...

"What's the difference between a $2 cigar and a $10 cigar? Eight bucks."

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Originally Posted by illinoishoosier

That's why we're here.

Here, you can talk about a $2 stick or a $20 stick and get the same response for both. You can talk about the strength of NCs or the floral wonderfulness of CCs.

Here you can be a snob or a regular joe. You can smoke 5 cigars a day or 5 cigars a month. We don't care.

We're just glad you smoke 'em.

krash · 10-22-2009, 10:33 PM

Not to sound like a broken record, but smoke what you like. And as far as I'm concernced there are no "cheap" smokes, only inexpensive alternatives. There is nothing I like better after a crappy day at work than to sit in my recliner and relax with a cigar and watch sportscenter. A cigar is all about relaxation and enjoyment to me. So go ahead and review the sticks you enjoy, because I can guarantee a lot of people here will read them. Who knows, they may like them too.

Kreth · 10-22-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by krash

So go ahead and review the sticks you enjoy, because I can guarantee a lot of people here will read them. Who knows, they may like them too.

I enjoy reading reviews, both of cigars I've reviewed (to see what others thought of the smoke), and cigars I haven't tried yet. If I see some interesting flavors, I'll probably give that stick a try.
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MedicCook · 10-22-2009, 10:20 AM

Everyone should should smoke what they enjoy. There is no reason to make someone else feel bad about what they smoke. Not everyone can afford to smoke expensive cigars and just because they may cost more does not mean they are better.

TheStatsGuy · 10-22-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook

Everyone should should smoke what they enjoy. There is no reason to make someone else feel bad about what they smoke. Not everyone can afford to smoke expensive cigars and just because they may cost more does not mean they are better.

When I buy cigars I don't do it for status or to just simply see my money disappear. I buy them because I enjoy the aroma, the taste and the whole relaxing process of sitting down and lighting one up.

It shouldn't matter what cost of any particular stick or brand is, if you like them then smoke them. If someone tells you that you need to smoke something better tell 'em to go take a long walk off a short pier.

OHRD · 10-22-2009, 10:23 AM

I'm almost tearing up fellas...no, seriously, it put an awful taste in my mouth to be honest with you. I love smoking cigars, I love talking about them, and I hate petty debates on why a $5 cigar can't be worth a crap.

TheTraveler · 10-22-2009, 10:24 AM

Rubbish. Why on earth would you want a cigar that costs less than $20? After all, it isn't the taste of the cigar we true afficionados enjoy, it's the thrill of burning a working man's daily salary every time we light up. That's the real joy of cigars and until you stop smoking your "yard gars" that cost $20 or less you'll never understand!

Totally kidding! I completely understand the tight smoking budget; I'm right there with you.

10-22-2009, 10:25 AM

$5 cigar, LOL. Example of a $5 cigar ..opus x...oh wait, that's only on the invoices. oops..

ade06 · 10-22-2009, 10:29 AM

What's the big deal, just smoke what you like. We all have different cigar budgets and it doesn't make anyone better or worse then another BOTL who has less or more loot. Although I do prefer to light my overpriced cigars with $100 bills...

p.s. I'm a moody cigar smoker that will smoke an expensive (at least to me) cigar one day and smoke a bundle cigar the next and enjoy them both. As long as they taste good, I'm happy. And if I can save some money, I'm even happier!

smokin5 · 10-22-2009, 10:39 AM

According to my dictionary:

"Afficianado" - (noun) A pompous jerk with undersized genitalia who feels the need to overcompensate for his shortcomings by trying to impress others.

You know, the type of person who would extol the virtues of a cigar, so long as it had the "right" band on it (even if you put that band on a Cremosa).

68TriShield · 10-22-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by smokin5

According to my dictionary:

"Afficianado" - (noun) A pompous jerk with undersized genitalia who feels the need to overcompensate for his shortcomings by trying to impress others.

You know, the type of person who would extol the virtues of a cigar, so long as it had the "right" band on it (even if you put that band on a Cremosa).

Great stuff right there ^^^^

Kreth · 10-22-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 68TriShield

Great stuff right there ^^^^

Just wanted to point out that on my phone browser, your arrows point directly to the word Cremosa.

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OHRD · 10-22-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by smokin5

According to my dictionary:

"Afficianado" - (noun) A pompous jerk with undersized genitalia who feels the need to overcompensate for his shortcomings by trying to impress others.

You know, the type of person who would extol the virtues of a cigar, so long as it had the "right" band on it (even if you put that band on a Cremosa).

I'd like a copy of your dictionary please, I know just the place to mail it to...

10-22-2009, 10:50 AM

While I have cigars ranging from 1.25 a stick up to ..... well .... more than that.

My daily regular is a JLP Petite Cazadore, I get em for about 36 bucks for 25.

Another favorite small stick is the El Principe coming in at around 100 for 25

I can only speak to for what I smoke but I enjoy all ranges of sticks. Will I say that my JLP are better than my Monte Especials...........well no. But do I enjoy them less or feel the need to hide the fact that I go through about 150 of em a year, hell no, I shout it from the rooftops LOL.

If people think that your sticks are pedestrian due to their price tag, you are talking to the wrong people. After all what this world really needs is a good $0.05 cigar

Garbandz · 10-22-2009, 10:33 AM

When you let other people tell you how to smoke cigars and spend your time you are giving in to outside control.Do you usually let people tell you what to do in other facets of your life? Smoke what you like and when you like. As far as "Aficionado" standards,it sounds like some folks are trying to appear to be experts at your expense,so ignore them.It's your palate.....

68TriShield · 10-22-2009, 10:39 AM

That is the exact reason I left the crappy CA.I should join back up just to start $hit with them.
In hindsight though,I went looking for a better forum and here is where I ended up...

OHRD · 10-22-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Garbandz

When you let other people tell you how to smoke cigars and spend your time you are giving in to outside control.Do you usually let people tell you what to do in other facets of your life? Smoke what you like and when you like. As far as "Aficionado" standards,it sounds like some folks are trying to appear to be experts at your expense,so ignore them.It's your palate.....

Exactly right, it just got under me--not because I felt like my tastes were invalidated but just the overall arrogance of it all.

Don Fernando · 10-22-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by matthewjmichael

So, I've been a member of Cigar Asylum for only a couple months but I love the dialogue I get her, the encouragement from BOTL’s, and the wide variety of cigar related news and review. I’ve also been a member of another “CA” forum for close to two years. However, recently I’ve been blasted for some of the cigars I talk about, that they are not “up to aficionado” standards and was even suggested that I should stop talking about cigars until I work through my bad taste issues. When I mentioned that I desire to find value and work on a tight budget, it was suggested that I had it all wrong—I should smoke less often and smoke better stuff. Well, if I am currently smoking 5-8 cigars a month, averaging $5 or less a stick, should I reduce my smoking to twice a month so that I can smoke up to “Aficionado” standards?

They have Aficionado mistaken for snob.

10-22-2009, 10:16 AM	#1
OHRD Garage w/ couch & ashtray Join Date: Sep 2009 First Name: Matt Posts: 1,377 Trading: (39)	What is an Aficionado So, I've been a member of Cigar Asylum for only a couple months but I love the dialogue I get her, the encouragement from BOTL’s, and the wide variety of cigar related news and review. I’ve also been a member of another “CA” forum for close to two years. However, recently I’ve been blasted for some of the cigars I talk about, that they are not “up to aficionado” standards and was even suggested that I should stop talking about cigars until I work through my bad taste issues. When I mentioned that I desire to find value and work on a tight budget, it was suggested that I had it all wrong—I should smoke less often and smoke better stuff. Well, if I am currently smoking 5-8 cigars a month, averaging $5 or less a stick, should I reduce my smoking to twice a month so that I can smoke up to “Aficionado” standards? Of course I am not deterred by the statements and I’ll keep smoking and talking about the value smokes I come across. But, this begs the question for me, what is an “Aficionado” and what does that mean for those of us on tight budgets that enjoy smoking more often rather than more expensive cigars? I agree that overtime my palette will develop and I will be more distinguished at what is good/bad, but I will never feel comfortable spending $15+ on a cigar that does not have some grand occasion connected to it, such as the birth of my second child. Thoughts??? __________________ Did I tell you my garage has a couch and an ashtray? My wife doesn't let me sleep or smoke inside.

10-22-2009, 10:20 AM	#2
Whee formerly illinoishoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Sean Location: Bishopville, SC Posts: 3,591 Trading: (17)	Re: What is an Aficionado That's why we're here. Here, you can talk about a $2 stick or a $20 stick and get the same response for both. You can talk about the strength of NCs or the floral wonderfulness of CCs. Here you can be a snob or a regular joe. You can smoke 5 cigars a day or 5 cigars a month. We don't care. We're just glad you smoke 'em. __________________ "Maybe I'm wrong, when they tell me they're right…..naaaaahhhhhh, I'm an asshooooooleeee"--Denis Leary

10-22-2009, 10:33 PM	#4
krash Just in from the Storm Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Bob Location: Central MN Posts: 40 Trading: (3)	Re: What is an Aficionado Not to sound like a broken record, but smoke what you like. And as far as I'm concernced there are no "cheap" smokes, only inexpensive alternatives. There is nothing I like better after a crappy day at work than to sit in my recliner and relax with a cigar and watch sportscenter. A cigar is all about relaxation and enjoyment to me. So go ahead and review the sticks you enjoy, because I can guarantee a lot of people here will read them. Who knows, they may like them too. Last edited by krash; 10-22-2009 at 10:34 PM. Reason: typos

10-22-2009, 10:20 AM	#6
MedicCook Mila smoked my cigar Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ryan Location: Schaghticoke, NY Posts: 10,946 Trading: (7)	Re: What is an Aficionado Everyone should should smoke what they enjoy. There is no reason to make someone else feel bad about what they smoke. Not everyone can afford to smoke expensive cigars and just because they may cost more does not mean they are better. __________________ 27 World Series Championship's "If your wife doesn't like the aroma of your cigar, change your wife.", Zino Davidoff

10-22-2009, 10:23 AM	#8
OHRD Garage w/ couch & ashtray Join Date: Sep 2009 First Name: Matt Posts: 1,377 Trading: (39)	Re: What is an Aficionado I'm almost tearing up fellas...no, seriously, it put an awful taste in my mouth to be honest with you. I love smoking cigars, I love talking about them, and I hate petty debates on why a $5 cigar can't be worth a crap. __________________ Did I tell you my garage has a couch and an ashtray? My wife doesn't let me sleep or smoke inside.

10-22-2009, 10:24 AM	#9
TheTraveler giggity giggitty Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jonathan Location: Near a Walmart Posts: 1,813 Trading: (12)	Re: What is an Aficionado Rubbish. Why on earth would you want a cigar that costs less than $20? After all, it isn't the taste of the cigar we true afficionados enjoy, it's the thrill of burning a working man's daily salary every time we light up. That's the real joy of cigars and until you stop smoking your "yard gars" that cost $20 or less you'll never understand! Totally kidding! I completely understand the tight smoking budget; I'm right there with you. __________________ "My life is my own."

10-22-2009, 10:25 AM	#10
Wigwam_Motel Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What is an Aficionado $5 cigar, LOL. Example of a $5 cigar ..opus x...oh wait, that's only on the invoices. oops..

10-22-2009, 10:29 AM	#11
ade06 Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ade Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,190 Trading: (24)	Re: What is an Aficionado What's the big deal, just smoke what you like. We all have different cigar budgets and it doesn't make anyone better or worse then another BOTL who has less or more loot. Although I do prefer to light my overpriced cigars with $100 bills... p.s. I'm a moody cigar smoker that will smoke an expensive (at least to me) cigar one day and smoke a bundle cigar the next and enjoy them both. As long as they taste good, I'm happy. And if I can save some money, I'm even happier!

10-22-2009, 10:39 AM	#12
smokin5 Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On the Mountaintop - AZ Posts: 2,002 Trading: (69)	Re: What is an Aficionado According to my dictionary: "Afficianado" - (noun) A pompous jerk with undersized genitalia who feels the need to overcompensate for his shortcomings by trying to impress others. You know, the type of person who would extol the virtues of a cigar, so long as it had the "right" band on it (even if you put that band on a Cremosa). __________________ Pobody's Nerfect.

10-22-2009, 10:50 AM	#16
SilverFox Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What is an Aficionado While I have cigars ranging from 1.25 a stick up to ..... well .... more than that. My daily regular is a JLP Petite Cazadore, I get em for about 36 bucks for 25. Another favorite small stick is the El Principe coming in at around 100 for 25 I can only speak to for what I smoke but I enjoy all ranges of sticks. Will I say that my JLP are better than my Monte Especials...........well no. But do I enjoy them less or feel the need to hide the fact that I go through about 150 of em a year, hell no, I shout it from the rooftops LOL. If people think that your sticks are pedestrian due to their price tag, you are talking to the wrong people. After all what this world really needs is a good $0.05 cigar

10-22-2009, 10:33 AM	#17
Garbandz Feeling at Home Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: Tom Posts: 775 Trading: (53)	Re: What is an Aficionado When you let other people tell you how to smoke cigars and spend your time you are giving in to outside control.Do you usually let people tell you what to do in other facets of your life? Smoke what you like and when you like. As far as "Aficionado" standards,it sounds like some folks are trying to appear to be experts at your expense,so ignore them.It's your palate.....

10-22-2009, 10:39 AM	#18
68TriShield Got Torque? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dave Location: Maryland Posts: 7,194 Trading: (40)	Re: What is an Aficionado That is the exact reason I left the crappy CA.I should join back up just to start $hit with them. In hindsight though,I went looking for a better forum and here is where I ended up...