Red Sox 2012

VTDragon · 02-21-2012, 02:01 PM

A new manager, a new spring training complex, a new, (yet to be determined) shortstop, hopefully a new attitude by the pitching staff, a new closer and a new general manager. It's been an interesting off season for the boys who inhabit the oldest park in baseball -(you know that you'll be sick of the 100 year anniversary stuff by May 1st).
It seems that Bobby V. is determined that the guys are going to work a bit harder this spring than they did in Tito's camp. That's probably a very good thing, especially if it avoids the type of disastrous start they got off to last year.
Some random thoughts:
I think Carl Crawford , (once healthy) will bounce back to his normal production.
I hope that Iglasias gets a real chance to compete for the SS job and that if he does not win it outright he gets sent back to AAA to improve his hitting. He can't learn to hit consistantly by riding the major league bench.
Can either of the other SS's in camp play 3rd? I hope so because Youk is getting old, spent a lot of time injured last year and could stand to be given a rest every few days.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Bard becoming a quality starter. He relies too much on his fastball and needs to really trust his changeup if he is going to start. I see him going back to thebullpen once Dice K is healthy.
Aceves, on the other hand, will do fine.
It will be nice to not have to suffer through another Lackey outing.
We'll miss Papelbon, but New England native Andrew Bailey should assure not much of a drop-off in production.
Both glad and sad to see Wakefield retire. A great guy, but obviously his time has come and gone. (Now Varitek needs to face reality too)
Well, lots more to speculate on, but let the games begin and we'll see how it goes. If nothing else, it will be interesting.

Subvet642 · 02-21-2012, 02:39 PM

I agree with just about everything, but I won't miss Pap. He made have had the numbers, but they were all ugly saves (hits, runs, walks) and if he didn't have a good defense behind him...

BTW, I thought Varitek was already gone.

BHalbrooks · 02-21-2012, 10:27 PM

I'm excited for the season. I believe my Fiancee and I are going to be able to go to the 100th Year game... to start hahaha.

gettysburgfreak · 02-23-2012, 06:53 AM

cant wait to get the year rolling. I think we will be ok without paps in the 9th but I really would like to see Bard in the 8th and not as a starter. Would like to see Lackey and Dice K make their way out of Boston but I dont think that will happen this year. Hopefully Jacoby can produce the sort of numbers he put up last year and everyone else stays healthy, the offense should be pretty good if that happens.

JenksAnejo · 02-23-2012, 12:57 PM

I'm definitely ready for some baseball to start!

Dave128 · 02-23-2012, 01:30 PM

I miss Bobby V.

mosesbotbol · 02-23-2012, 01:49 PM

Would love to Dice K do something this season. I think he's exciting to watch when he's pitching decent. He goes for the strike out every time.

kelmac07 · 02-23-2012, 07:09 PM

I really believe Cody Ross is gonna be a great pick-up for the Sox.

tenbaseg · 02-23-2012, 07:36 PM

I picked up tickets to a few games this year. Let's hope they can compete in the east this year.

VTDragon · 03-12-2012, 11:47 AM

OK spring training proceeds and I read the reports from Fenway South daily looking for some reason NOT to be optimistic about the coming season. So far, not much bad news.
The pitchers are doing well, (save a minor setback for Andrew Miller), Iglasias is not only playing superb short- but is hitting, Bobby V seems to have invoked a new work ethic that the vets have bought into, Papi is hitting, even Dice K seems to be ahead of schedule, the Bard experiment is working, there is real competition for the 5th starter slot, (not just the least objectionable choice, but actually some viable good choices), Bailey pitched well after a slight delay, Carl Crawford is rehabbing nicely and seems receptive to Bobbu V's advice, Ross looks like a good fit for right field. Can you tell it's spring? Everything seems peaches and cream, or am I just dillusional?

Subvet642 · 03-12-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by VTDragon

... Can you tell it's spring? Everything seems peaches and cream, or am I just delusional?

Like the rest of us...a little of both.

Bruins Fan · 03-12-2012, 01:57 PM

Spring training seems to be about Bobby V a real media whore.

TJtorpedo · 03-12-2012, 07:38 PM

Anything to get Sep '11 out of my head is a good thing!

I like Bobby V in the fold. He'll take plenty of the media heat and hopefully deflect it as much as possible from the players.

VTDragon · 03-20-2012, 10:30 AM

So here is THE question for spring 2012. Should Jose Iglasias stick with the big club and start the season as the Red Sox starting SS or should he spend some more time in Pawtucket working on his hitting?

My vote.... Start him in the Majors!

My expectation .... he'll be in Pawtucket to begin the season and will be brought up at the first available opportunity (virtually any injury to a non-pitcher).

Bruins Fan · 03-20-2012, 03:50 PM

In the old days he would play,but the SS position has changed over the years and know you have to be able to have an average higher then your weight.
You might see him sometime during the season?

VTDragon · 03-27-2012, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTDragon

.... he'll be in Pawtucket to begin the season and will be brought up at the first available opportunity (virtually any injury to a non-pitcher).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruins Fan

In the old days he would play,but the SS position has changed over the years and know you have to be able to have an average higher then your weight.
You might see him sometime during the season?

We're both right, too bad he would have been fun to watch. We will see him some time this season though.
Now, same question about Lavarnway except he can hit but his defense is questionable. I hope they say adios to Shoppach and keep him. (but I really think he'll follow Iglasias to Pawtucket).

Bruins Fan · 03-27-2012, 04:48 PM

Bobby V is coming off as a first class assclown and I think his run in Boston is going to be very short?

jjmitchem · 03-28-2012, 02:25 PM

I cannot wait for the season to get going. I just wish there was pro team in Hawaii they were playing so I could see them. I can still remember my first game at Fenway - 1976 vs the Angels.

Dave128 · 04-04-2012, 07:34 PM

We'll be glad to take him off your hands.

PeteSB75 · 04-09-2012, 11:49 AM

Great start to the season so far... Two three run innings by the presumed closer(s) in an 11 inning game to cap off a lovely three days in Detroit. Next, it's off to Toronto, where we can replicate last year's start...

So what, 85 wins and missing the newly expanded playoffs this season?

02-21-2012, 02:01 PM	#1
VTDragon Feeling at Home Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Gary Location: Vermont Posts: 627 Trading: (0)	Red Sox 2012 A new manager, a new spring training complex, a new, (yet to be determined) shortstop, hopefully a new attitude by the pitching staff, a new closer and a new general manager. It's been an interesting off season for the boys who inhabit the oldest park in baseball -(you know that you'll be sick of the 100 year anniversary stuff by May 1st). It seems that Bobby V. is determined that the guys are going to work a bit harder this spring than they did in Tito's camp. That's probably a very good thing, especially if it avoids the type of disastrous start they got off to last year. Some random thoughts: I think Carl Crawford , (once healthy) will bounce back to his normal production. I hope that Iglasias gets a real chance to compete for the SS job and that if he does not win it outright he gets sent back to AAA to improve his hitting. He can't learn to hit consistantly by riding the major league bench. Can either of the other SS's in camp play 3rd? I hope so because Youk is getting old, spent a lot of time injured last year and could stand to be given a rest every few days. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Bard becoming a quality starter. He relies too much on his fastball and needs to really trust his changeup if he is going to start. I see him going back to thebullpen once Dice K is healthy. Aceves, on the other hand, will do fine. It will be nice to not have to suffer through another Lackey outing. We'll miss Papelbon, but New England native Andrew Bailey should assure not much of a drop-off in production. Both glad and sad to see Wakefield retire. A great guy, but obviously his time has come and gone. (Now Varitek needs to face reality too) Well, lots more to speculate on, but let the games begin and we'll see how it goes. If nothing else, it will be interesting. __________________ An expert is a person who knows enough about what's really going on ... to be scared.

02-21-2012, 02:39 PM	#2
Subvet642 Bilge Rat Join Date: Nov 2009 First Name: Darren Location: Torpedo Room Bilge Posts: 2,997 Trading: (13)	Re: Red Sox 2012 I agree with just about everything, but I won't miss Pap. He made have had the numbers, but they were all ugly saves (hits, runs, walks) and if he didn't have a good defense behind him... BTW, I thought Varitek was already gone. __________________ *"Man's mind is his basic tool of survival. Life is given to him, survival is not." -John Galt*

02-21-2012, 10:27 PM	#3
BHalbrooks Have My Own Room Join Date: Nov 2011 First Name: B Location: Texas Posts: 1,122 Trading: (5)	Re: Red Sox 2012 I'm excited for the season. I believe my Fiancee and I are going to be able to go to the 100th Year game... to start hahaha.

02-23-2012, 06:53 AM	#4
gettysburgfreak Patriot Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Mitten Posts: 1,442 Trading: (2)	Re: Red Sox 2012 cant wait to get the year rolling. I think we will be ok without paps in the 9th but I really would like to see Bard in the 8th and not as a starter. Would like to see Lackey and Dice K make their way out of Boston but I dont think that will happen this year. Hopefully Jacoby can produce the sort of numbers he put up last year and everyone else stays healthy, the offense should be pretty good if that happens. __________________ Author ofeath, Disease, and Life at War: The Civil War Letters of Surgeon James D. Benton, 111th and 98th New York Infantry Regiments, 1862-1865.

02-23-2012, 12:57 PM	#5
JenksAnejo Thunder Up Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Jarrod Location: Thunder Country Posts: 1,332 Trading: (51)	Re: Red Sox 2012 I'm definitely ready for some baseball to start!

02-23-2012, 01:30 PM	#6
Dave128 Sexy Dave Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Dave Location: Voorheesville, NY Posts: 3,922 Trading: (4)	Re: Red Sox 2012 I miss Bobby V. __________________ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Benjamin Franklin I "heart" Boobies and Beer!

02-23-2012, 01:49 PM	#7
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: Red Sox 2012 Would love to Dice K do something this season. I think he's exciting to watch when he's pitching decent. He goes for the strike out every time. __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

02-23-2012, 07:09 PM	#8
kelmac07 Resident Maduro Whore!! Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Mac Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 27,322 Trading: (218)	Re: Red Sox 2012 I really believe Cody Ross is gonna be a great pick-up for the Sox. __________________ Dom in the MLB thread "I could probably get you to wear a Yankee hat for a Maduro!"

02-23-2012, 07:36 PM	#9
tenbaseg Saying no to daily deals! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Garrett Location: Masshole Nation Posts: 1,094 Trading: (40)	Re: Red Sox 2012 I picked up tickets to a few games this year. Let's hope they can compete in the east this year.

03-12-2012, 11:47 AM	#10
VTDragon Feeling at Home Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Gary Location: Vermont Posts: 627 Trading: (0)	Re: Red Sox 2012 OK spring training proceeds and I read the reports from Fenway South daily looking for some reason NOT to be optimistic about the coming season. So far, not much bad news. The pitchers are doing well, (save a minor setback for Andrew Miller), Iglasias is not only playing superb short- but is hitting, Bobby V seems to have invoked a new work ethic that the vets have bought into, Papi is hitting, even Dice K seems to be ahead of schedule, the Bard experiment is working, there is real competition for the 5th starter slot, (not just the least objectionable choice, but actually some viable good choices), Bailey pitched well after a slight delay, Carl Crawford is rehabbing nicely and seems receptive to Bobbu V's advice, Ross looks like a good fit for right field. Can you tell it's spring? Everything seems peaches and cream, or am I just dillusional? __________________ An expert is a person who knows enough about what's really going on ... to be scared.

03-12-2012, 01:57 PM	#12
Bruins Fan Hooper drives the boat. Join Date: May 2009 First Name: John Location: Cape Cod Posts: 1,359 Trading: (0)	Re: Red Sox 2012 Spring training seems to be about Bobby V a real media whore. __________________ Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.

03-12-2012, 07:38 PM	#13
TJtorpedo Feeling at Home Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Tim Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 600 Trading: (4)	Re: Red Sox 2012 Anything to get Sep '11 out of my head is a good thing! I like Bobby V in the fold. He'll take plenty of the media heat and hopefully deflect it as much as possible from the players.

03-20-2012, 10:30 AM	#14
VTDragon Feeling at Home Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Gary Location: Vermont Posts: 627 Trading: (0)	Re: Red Sox 2012 So here is THE question for spring 2012. Should Jose Iglasias stick with the big club and start the season as the Red Sox starting SS or should he spend some more time in Pawtucket working on his hitting? My vote.... Start him in the Majors! My expectation .... he'll be in Pawtucket to begin the season and will be brought up at the first available opportunity (virtually any injury to a non-pitcher). __________________ An expert is a person who knows enough about what's really going on ... to be scared.

03-20-2012, 03:50 PM	#15
Bruins Fan Hooper drives the boat. Join Date: May 2009 First Name: John Location: Cape Cod Posts: 1,359 Trading: (0)	Re: Red Sox 2012 In the old days he would play,but the SS position has changed over the years and know you have to be able to have an average higher then your weight. You might see him sometime during the season? __________________ Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.

03-27-2012, 04:48 PM	#17
Bruins Fan Hooper drives the boat. Join Date: May 2009 First Name: John Location: Cape Cod Posts: 1,359 Trading: (0)	Re: Red Sox 2012 Bobby V is coming off as a first class assclown and I think his run in Boston is going to be very short? __________________ Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.

03-28-2012, 02:25 PM	#18
jjmitchem Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Jim "Chappy" Location: Ft Campbell Posts: 445 Trading: (3)	Re: Red Sox 2012 I cannot wait for the season to get going. I just wish there was pro team in Hawaii they were playing so I could see them. I can still remember my first game at Fenway - 1976 vs the Angels. __________________ "I'm not ashamed of anything whatever that I do, and I don't feel that smoking makes me ashamed, and therefore I mean to smoke to the glory of God." - Charles Spurgeon

04-04-2012, 07:34 PM	#19
Dave128 Sexy Dave Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Dave Location: Voorheesville, NY Posts: 3,922 Trading: (4)	Re: Red Sox 2012 We'll be glad to take him off your hands. __________________ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Benjamin Franklin I "heart" Boobies and Beer!

04-09-2012, 11:49 AM	#20
PeteSB75 Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: CT Posts: 1,674 Trading: (18)	Re: Red Sox 2012 Great start to the season so far... Two three run innings by the presumed closer(s) in an 11 inning game to cap off a lovely three days in Detroit. Next, it's off to Toronto, where we can replicate last year's start... So what, 85 wins and missing the newly expanded playoffs this season? __________________ Formerly Malik23