One basic question, and another on infused sticks

Sonic04GT · 03-02-2012, 10:19 PM

First, say you buy a single cigar and place it in a ziplock bag by itself with a hygrometer and NO humidification device. (So technically not by itself

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Does this hygrometer reading mean anything? I'm just curious if this is a way to gauge the humidification of a cigar. I bought an Undercrown from a local B&M, which sat in the car for about 3 hours so I threw it in a ziplock when I got home, with an extra hygrometer for the hell of it. Read around 63-65%.

Ok, onto the infused. I have a separate 50ct humidor with all of my infused smokes. Around maybe 25, with the majority being Drew Estate. I know the idea of keeping these separate from traditional smokes so the flavors don't bleed over, but what about infused sticks amongst themselves? For example, will my Drew Estate Java eventually begin to taste like the nasty Oliveros Honey Sweet crap that CI sent me in the brown bag sampler?

And since we all love pictures, here is the humidor in question

Pseudosacred · 03-02-2012, 10:25 PM

If the infused ones arent in a bag, separate from each other, they will start to taste the same. It's bad. Keep them in separate bags, for sure.

Sonic04GT · 03-02-2012, 10:28 PM

If they're in separate bags though, wouldn't that defeat the point of a humidor?

A good majority have been in there since around October.

bobarian · 03-02-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudosacred

If the infused ones arent in a bag, separate from each other, they will start to taste the same. It's bad. Keep them in separate bags, for sure.

Sorry Nick, but one month's experience in smoking cigars hardly puts you in a position to advise on this subject.

Assuming you plan on smoking regularly, very little "transfer of flavors" can or will occur between your infused cigars. Especially if you leave all your cigars in their cello keeping all your infused cigars should pose no problems.

When you place infused cigars together with "regular" sticks after period of several months some of the oils may transfer, but it is much more noticeable because they had no flavors to begin with.

With regards to the first point, many of us prefer our humidity between 60-65%. Also, no hygrometer is 100% accurate, even scientific instruments have a variance of 2-4%.

Sonic04GT · 03-02-2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

Sorry Nick, but one month's experience in smoking cigars hardly puts you in a position to advise on this subject.

Assuming you plan on smoking regularly, very little "transfer of flavors" can or will occur between your infused cigars. Especially if you leave all your cigars in their cello keeping all your infused cigars should pose no problems.

When you place infused cigars together with "regular" sticks after period of several months some of the oils may transfer, but it is much more noticeable because they had no flavors to begin with.

With regards to the first point, many of us prefer our humidity between 60-65%. Also, no hygrometer is 100% accurate, even scientific instruments have a variance of 2-4%.

Thanks for the reply. I haven't smoked many infused sticks in the past 4-5 months so these have been sitting for a bit but I plan to pick up the pace soon.

As far as the hygrometer, I'm just curious if isolating a cigar in a small ziplock bag with a hygrometer will gauge it's "health?" I try to keep my actual humidors close to 65% normally. I wasn't showing concern but rather if this method is used for anything? I assume that if a cigar is properly humidified, it should give off enough humidity to display a reading within typical range.

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Originally Posted by T.G

I've been to the Drew Estate factory, and there are three aging rooms: 1) traditional (non-infused) cigars, 2) ACIDs, and 3) coffee infused. These rooms are completely vapor sealed and have independent, sealed, HVAC systems.

Everything in the aging rooms is sans cello and, and as such, I don't know how significantly cello might retard the transfer of flavors between two dissimilar infused or flavored cigars.

Interesting to know, thanks

bobarian · 03-02-2012, 11:51 PM

You know, I cant really comment on the placement of a single cigar with a hygrometer. I dont look at my hygrometers regularly, in fact my 3 coolers don't even have hygrometers. I have them in both of my Vinotemps but I trust my beads.

Pseudosacred · 03-03-2012, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

Sorry Nick, but one month's experience in smoking cigars hardly puts you in a position to advise on this subject.

Assuming you plan on smoking regularly, very little "transfer of flavors" can or will occur between your infused cigars. Especially if you leave all your cigars in their cello keeping all your infused cigars should pose no problems.

When you place infused cigars together with "regular" sticks after period of several months some of the oils may transfer, but it is much more noticeable because they had no flavors to begin with.

With regards to the first point, many of us prefer our humidity between 60-65%. Also, no hygrometer is 100% accurate, even scientific instruments have a variance of 2-4%.

bobarian · 03-03-2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudosacred

Problem?

icehog3 · 03-03-2012, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

Problem?

Yes, only able to use four

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Pseudosacred · 03-03-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

Problem?

Not at all

I just thought they would make the point that I wanted to argue

I've read in a place or two that an infused cigar can 'contaminate' a humidor, and the other cigars in it. 'Contaminate', meaning making the humidor smell funny and giving the other cigars a bad taste.

oooo35980 · 03-02-2012, 10:32 PM

Logic would dictate that they'd all blend together, the question is to what degree I think, and if you'd be able to notice.

I'd say probably not, and I agree that bags would defeat the purpose of a humidor.

Bill86 · 03-02-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic04GT

For example, will my Drew Estate Java eventually begin to taste like the nasty Oliveros Honey Sweet crap that CI sent me in the brown bag sampler?

If the Oliveros are so nasty and crap tasting why not just toss them out?

Sonic04GT · 03-02-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by oooo35980

Logic would dictate that they'd all blend together, the question is to what degree I think, and if you'd be able to notice.

I'd say probably not, and I agree that bags would defeat the purpose of a humidor.

I'm probably too much of a noob to notice a difference. I guess I should just smoke them quicker haha A good majority in that pic I haven't even tried so it'd probably be a good idea before my initial opinion of a good infused stick is tainted by a less appealing one

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Originally Posted by Bill86

If the Oliveros are so nasty and crap tasting why not just toss them out?

I only had that little stubby Honey Sweet and it was too sweet. I assume the other won't be too fantastic but I will definitely try it.

And ditching cigars is a sin. If anything I'd give them to a friend.

Chainsaw13 · 03-02-2012, 10:41 PM

Why not donate to the troop support? They would gladly accept them.

Sonic04GT · 03-02-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13

Why not donate to the troop support? They would gladly accept them.

I may just end up doing that if I decide not to try them

Or at least put them aside until I gather more.

Had my first cigar when I was deployed

And I inhaled it...and I got sick...

MarkinAZ · 03-02-2012, 10:51 PM

It appears that the Drew Estate cigars are sealed in their cello. If that's correct, there shouldn't be any "flavor drift." I believe that is how they roll now a day with the Red Eye, etc.

Sonic04GT · 03-02-2012, 10:56 PM

Every single cigar is in cello. How well sealed I'm not too sure. It's been a while so I think tomorrow I'll take them all out and caress them

Correction, there are two tubos with the caps off; a Wild Hare and a 1400cc.

T.G · 03-02-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic04GT

Ok, onto the infused. I have a separate 50ct humidor with all of my infused smokes. Around maybe 25, with the majority being Drew Estate. I know the idea of keeping these separate from traditional smokes so the flavors don't bleed over, but what about infused sticks amongst themselves? For example, will my Drew Estate Java eventually begin to taste like the nasty Oliveros Honey Sweet crap that CI sent me in the brown bag sampler?

I've been to the Drew Estate factory, and there are three aging rooms: 1) traditional (non-infused) cigars, 2) ACIDs, and 3) coffee infused. These rooms are completely vapor sealed and have independent, sealed, HVAC systems.

Everything in the aging rooms is sans cello and, and as such, I don't know how significantly cello might retard the transfer of flavors between two dissimilar infused or flavored cigars.

oooo35980 · 03-02-2012, 11:51 PM

Maybe keeping the fruity ones and the coffee ones apart would be the smartest thing then. I can see how a kuba kuba might negatively affect a Java whereas it wouldn't have a noticeable affect on say, a Blondie, or a nasty. Not that anything could negatively affect a Nasty, you could age the thing for a year in a cat's litterbox and it would probably improve the flavor.

Sonic04GT · 03-02-2012, 11:55 PM

Man these things are a pain! Haha they're like the tasty rodents of the cigar world.

Read about the Nasty in that other thread. I'll be sure to stay away.

I just need to start smoking more often, and coincidentally show some more attention to the infused smokes.

03-02-2012, 10:19 PM	#1
Sonic04GT Feeling at Home Join Date: Sep 2011 First Name: Chris Location: South Florida Posts: 643 Trading: (0)	One basic question, and another on infused sticks First, say you buy a single cigar and place it in a ziplock bag by itself with a hygrometer and NO humidification device. (So technically not by itself ) Does this hygrometer reading mean anything? I'm just curious if this is a way to gauge the humidification of a cigar. I bought an Undercrown from a local B&M, which sat in the car for about 3 hours so I threw it in a ziplock when I got home, with an extra hygrometer for the hell of it. Read around 63-65%. Ok, onto the infused. I have a separate 50ct humidor with all of my infused smokes. Around maybe 25, with the majority being Drew Estate. I know the idea of keeping these separate from traditional smokes so the flavors don't bleed over, but what about infused sticks amongst themselves? For example, will my Drew Estate Java eventually begin to taste like the nasty Oliveros Honey Sweet crap that CI sent me in the brown bag sampler? And since we all love pictures, here is the humidor in question Last edited by Sonic04GT; 03-02-2012 at 10:27 PM.

03-02-2012, 10:25 PM	#2
Pseudosacred What will your verse be? Join Date: Jan 2012 First Name: Nick Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 423 Trading: (1)	Re: One basic question, and another on infused sticks If the infused ones arent in a bag, separate from each other, they will start to taste the same. It's bad. Keep them in separate bags, for sure.

03-02-2012, 10:28 PM	#3
Sonic04GT Feeling at Home Join Date: Sep 2011 First Name: Chris Location: South Florida Posts: 643 Trading: (0)	Re: One basic question, and another on infused sticks If they're in separate bags though, wouldn't that defeat the point of a humidor? A good majority have been in there since around October.

03-02-2012, 11:51 PM	#6
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: One basic question, and another on infused sticks You know, I cant really comment on the placement of a single cigar with a hygrometer. I dont look at my hygrometers regularly, in fact my 3 coolers don't even have hygrometers. I have them in both of my Vinotemps but I trust my beads.

03-02-2012, 10:32 PM	#11
oooo35980 Feeling at Home Join Date: Mar 2011 First Name: Isaiah Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 569 Trading: (3)	Re: One basic question, and another on infused sticks Logic would dictate that they'd all blend together, the question is to what degree I think, and if you'd be able to notice. I'd say probably not, and I agree that bags would defeat the purpose of a humidor.

03-02-2012, 10:41 PM	#14
Chainsaw13 Møøse bites can be nasty Join Date: Jan 2010 First Name: Bob Location: The Enchanted Mitten Posts: 7,180 Trading: (96)	Re: One basic question, and another on infused sticks Why not donate to the troop support? They would gladly accept them. __________________ My neighbor came by my house this morning at 2AM, pounding on the door. Good thing I was still up playing the drums.

03-02-2012, 10:51 PM	#16
MarkinAZ Formerly MarkinOR Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Sun City West, AZ Posts: 6,221 Trading: (40)	Re: One basic question, and another on infused sticks It appears that the Drew Estate cigars are sealed in their cello. If that's correct, there shouldn't be any "flavor drift." I believe that is how they roll now a day with the Red Eye, etc. __________________ "Don't worry, God will work out His plan for your life..." Psalm 138 8

03-02-2012, 10:56 PM	#17
Sonic04GT Feeling at Home Join Date: Sep 2011 First Name: Chris Location: South Florida Posts: 643 Trading: (0)	Re: One basic question, and another on infused sticks Every single cigar is in cello. How well sealed I'm not too sure. It's been a while so I think tomorrow I'll take them all out and caress them Correction, there are two tubos with the caps off; a Wild Hare and a 1400cc.

03-02-2012, 11:55 PM	#20
Sonic04GT Feeling at Home Join Date: Sep 2011 First Name: Chris Location: South Florida Posts: 643 Trading: (0)	Re: One basic question, and another on infused sticks Man these things are a pain! Haha they're like the tasty rodents of the cigar world. Read about the Nasty in that other thread. I'll be sure to stay away. I just need to start smoking more often, and coincidentally show some more attention to the infused smokes.