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11-20-2016, 11:39 PM | #1 |
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Miss-Used Cigar Term! STOGIE?
The cigar term, Stogie, has a specific definition. Stogie (or Stogy) is the American nickname for a long, skinny, UN-pressed, cheap cigar that was made in Conestoga, Pennsylvania, the center of native-leaf production in the early nineteenth century. Originally invented about 1826 by a tobacco merchant named George W. Black in Washington, Pennsylvania.
One popular myth says that it was so named because drivers of Conestoga wagons crossing the plains typically smoked them, and they were thought to resemble the spokes on a Conestoga wagon wheel. Today, "Stogie" is a somewhat derogatory term for a cheap cigar. Last week I found an article online that was written by a self proclaimed cigar person to help new cigar smokers. Not only did the article repeatedly refer to Stogie(s) but the writing style and language was difficult to understand! LINK Please read it for yourself. I'd like to hear your opinion. IMHO: Calling a premium cigar 'a Stogie' is inappropriate for a knowledgeable cigar enthusiast. I also avoid the term "stick" as an alternate for the word Cigar. But, that's just my opinion because . . . I'm Stinky!
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11-21-2016, 12:11 AM | #2 |
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Re: Miss-Used Cigar Term! STOGIE?
What about stogies that are ISOMs?
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11-21-2016, 04:40 AM | #4 |
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Next, some guy will start throwing his stogie butts in a bowl and call it an ashtray. I mean, come on, everybody knows trays are flat!
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11-21-2016, 05:55 AM | #5 | |
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Re: Miss-Used Cigar Term! STOGIE?
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11-21-2016, 06:27 AM | #6 |
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Re: Miss-Used Cigar Term! STOGIE?
I've always used "stogie" to refer to the nub that's left after I'm done smoking a cigar...
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11-21-2016, 11:36 AM | #7 |
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I call those "stinkies".
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11-21-2016, 09:04 AM | #8 | |
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Now....on the other hand, I do occasionally use the term 'sticks'....but, for no clear reason, usually in the plural...rarely to discuss a specific cigar.
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11-21-2016, 01:20 PM | #9 |
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Miss-used is misused.
Just sayin'
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11-21-2016, 02:39 PM | #10 |
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I always assumed "Stogie" was an East Coast colloquism as I generally don't hear that word on the Left Coast.
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11-21-2016, 02:40 PM | #11 |
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Sticks, smokes, stogies, cigars...I use them all interchangeably. If I've inadvertently offended someone by doing so...well, that doesn't bother me at all.
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11-21-2016, 02:58 PM | #12 | |
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Political correctness creeping into the cigar world now... please, say it isn't so. SMH. I'll keep to the creed; "smoke what you like, like what you smoke" and add, "call 'em what you want". My $.02.
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11-21-2016, 03:15 PM | #13 |
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Suck My Humidor?
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11-21-2016, 03:32 PM | #14 |
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11-21-2016, 04:01 PM | #15 |
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You call it what you want; I'm callin' it a stogie!
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11-24-2016, 07:15 AM | #16 | |
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The article is, in fact, a bit pedantic; I would never say "(E)vacuating the stogie’s mark" for removing the cigar band! It does require some effort to plow through! I can only imagine what their instructions for smoking a pipe would read!
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11-24-2016, 08:20 AM | #17 |
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"Evacuating the stogie's mark" goes far beyond pedantic and plants its flag firmly in the land of incredibly pretentious twaddle.
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11-21-2016, 03:10 PM | #18 |
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I think that anyone who has so much time on their hands to nitpick about out-of-date terms for stogies should get a job as a greeter at Walmart.
Language is dynamic. Terms take on new meanings. Being stuck in the past is just that.
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11-21-2016, 03:21 PM | #19 | |
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I disagree. I think language is important. Dynamic, of course, but understanding nuances and perceptions is significant. At least, it can be if one wants to communicate. I'm not sure how an interest in English distinctions and variations makes them Walmart Greeter material...not that there's anything wrong with that I had a botl friend that was insistent upon saying that he was 'going to enjoy a cigar' vice 'going to smoke a cigar'. He thought the distinction important. I didn't adopt his convention, but I respect it....and do use it at times.
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11-21-2016, 03:50 PM | #20 | |
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By all means, be specific with language, but language is intended to communicate ideas and information, not be a source of pedantic argument, unless you are an editor or similar or maybe John Cleese . I use terms loosely in order to help insure (compare: ensure) the listener understands the meaning of my statement. I could be very tight on proper usage and insist that everyone else do same, but the goal, the communication of ideas and information, would (possibly) be lost. btw, with your friend, the first is a proper subset of the second. Where is The Professor (a real professor of rhetoric) when you need him...
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