Oldest aged cigars you have

[FUEL]

As the title states, what are the oldest aged cigars and the length of them time that you have had them sitting in your humi?

Reason I asked is that I read a redux on Halfwheel posted yesterday about Liga Papas Fritas after six months of age and how they lost some of the original profile and not in a likeable way, after just six months of age.

Liga Privad is one of my top three lines and IMHO after 3-6 weeks rest they are best ROTT hence why I think I can never keep the humi stocked lol.

Going to a rather large LP / DE event Thursday and am going to propose the same question to Faiben.

Thoughts?

And good morning to the Asylum!


J.

[kelmac07]

My oldest stick is a tiny figurado from Germany that was made in 1930s. Was gifted to me at TriSheilds herf last year. Also have a couple from 1948 gifted to be my Scott (Shilala).

I have had ROTT LP #9s and some with a few years on them. While they are very tasty ROTT, they lose a little bit over age, but that won't stop me from keeping them in the humi.

One brand that I truly believe gets better with time are Olivas. Anything Oliva holds up to some time. Prime example is the Blue Cloth Bands...they are FANTASTIC!!!

[jjirons69]

Originally Posted by kelmac07

My oldest stick is a tiny figurado from Germany that was made in 1930s. Was gifted to me at TriSheilds herf last year.

Smoke it, Mac! I smoked mine David Shane gave me. Pretty dang good. No reason to sit on it. At 80 years old, you don't want it to lose it's flavor profile.

I've got some clear Havanas form the 40s and 50s and assorted NC/CCs from the 80s, 90s, and 00s.

[ColdCuts]

Originally Posted by jjirons69

No reason to sit on it. At 80 years old, you don't want it to lose it's flavor profile.

My oldest was a 1998 Romeo Y Julieta corona. It was gifted to me from I can't remember who, where, or when. Damn memory. But I burned that one up last Wednesday.

It was worth it.

[Dunkel]

Originally Posted by kelmac07

My oldest stick is a tiny figurado from Germany that was made in 1930s. Was gifted to me at TriSheilds herf last year.

That is also the oldest cigar I have, and BTW that was the year before last.

[kelmac07]

Originally Posted by Dunkel

That is also the oldest cigar I have, and BTW that was the year before last.

Damn...you are right Doug.

[Garbandz]

Oliva X, Camacho Corojo from the crop of 97,rolled in01. Cabanas 98, Flor de Cano 00,Vegueros 99.........

Originally Posted by Garbandz

Oliva X, Camacho Corojo from the crop of 97,rolled in01. Cabanas 98, Flor de Cano 00,Vegueros 99.........

I had some camacho Corojo's from Diggs that he said had 7 years on them... SOOOOOO tasty... Would love to find more oldies...

[MrClean]

I had 5 Fonseca's from '98. Just smoked the last one this past weekend

[Buckeye Jack]

My thoughts on why they aren't good after 6 months is that they have entered a sick period. 6 months is definitely when a sick period could hit. I'm sure once they come out of it they will fine.

As for me, I have some singles that are pre-castro to current, and boxes from the 80's to current. I started smoking cigars in 97, and probably still have some singles from boxes that I bought in the early 2000's still.

[FUEL]

Dang that's some time!

I noticed a dramatic difference on my palette from the first box of UF13s to the 4th box. Saka also acknowledged this on the Halfwheel forums. I wonder what it is about their blends that trigger that.

Playing devils advocate, when I had FFP's on a regular basis I had some over a year old and found very to little change with a year to 18 months in the humi.

Also trying to convince a friend to herf some of his 2007 Opus X's as they may have reached the point of diminishing returns... That and I want one hah!

[stearns]

I would suggest doing a google search for "cigar maturation cycles," there is a very expanded discussion of this concept in MRN's book, but there is some basic knowledge out there for free. there is little proven fact about this, but a whole lot of theory to get you thinking. without having tried the papas fritas being discussed myself, i would agree with Jack that they could be in their sick period. i'm curious as to how they taste in another 6 months.

[FUEL]

Originally Posted by stearns

I would suggest doing a google search for "cigar maturation cycles," there is a very expanded discussion of this concept in MRN's book, but there is some basic knowledge out there for free. there is little proven fact about this, but a whole lot of theory to get you thinking. without having tried the papas fritas being discussed myself, i would agree with Jack that they could be in their sick period. i'm curious as to how they taste in another 6 months.

Thank you for the info! I had a PM conversation with one of the guys and the way he put it is that at least on an informal level he will be re-valuating at 9 and 12 months respectively.

My one guess on the PF's is the fact that they are a mixed filler and perhaps with the smaller pieces of tobacco not rolled as tight time progresses the "maturation cycle."

[stearns]

Originally Posted by FUEL

My one guess on the PF's is the fact that they are a mixed filler and perhaps with the smaller pieces of tobacco not rolled as tight time progresses the "maturation cycle."

this is a very interesting idea. I'd love to hear some input from some of the many super-brainy folks here about if the aging process changes between long/mixed/short filler cigars.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by stearns

this is a very interesting idea. I'd love to hear some input from some of the many super-brainy folks here about if the aging process changes between long/mixed/short filler cigars.

Can idiots chime in?

To answer your question, nope.
A 10 year old long filler aged just as much as a 10 year old mixed which aged just as much as a 10 year old short filler, as long as all three where made on the same day, at the same time, if to be considered the same age.

[mahtofire14]

00' HDM Churchill CC

[FUEL]

Originally Posted by stearns

this is a very interesting idea. I'd love to hear some input from some of the many super-brainy folks here about if the aging process changes between long/mixed/short filler cigars.

My thought process on this is that picture a hot summer day and you have a cooler of beverages and when done with your beverages you dump the cooler of ice cubs out into the hot driveway...that is short filler. Now picture you have a large solid blocks of ice you toss out in the driveway as well...there is your long filler.

The group of smaller ice cubes due to surface area and density are going to melt more quickly than a larger block with more surface area. So the long filler will "maturate" more slowly, in theory, than a short filler. Or one could say the short filler cigar has more edges that are exposed to the elements vs. a properly hand rolled long filler. How often do you see the middle of a stick, aka the filler, dry out first vs the wrapper.

My logic and 3 cents.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by FUEL

My thought process on this is that picture a hot summer day and you have a cooler of beverages and when done with your beverages you dump the cooler of ice cubs out into the hot driveway...that is short filler. Now picture you have a large solid blocks of ice you toss out in the driveway as well...there is your long filler.

The group of smaller ice cubes due to surface area and density are going to melt more quickly than a larger block with more surface area. So the long filler will "maturate" more slowly, in theory, than a short filler. Or one could say the short filler cigar has more edges that are exposed to the elements vs. a properly hand rolled long filler. How often do you see the middle of a stick, aka the filler, dry out first vs the wrapper.

My logic and 3 cents.

Don't think so.

I just got a headache reading this.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by FUEL

My thought process on this is that picture a hot summer day and you have a cooler of beverages and when done with your beverages you dump the cooler of ice cubs out into the hot driveway...that is short filler. Now picture you have a large solid blocks of ice you toss out in the driveway as well...there is your long filler.

The group of smaller ice cubes due to surface area and density are going to melt more quickly than a larger block with more surface area. So the long filler will "maturate" more slowly, in theory, than a short filler. Or one could say the short filler cigar has more edges that are exposed to the elements vs. a properly hand rolled long filler. How often do you see the middle of a stick, aka the filler, dry out first vs the wrapper.

My logic and 3 cents.

If this conversation were about plug tobacco versus loose tobacco, then maybe. But short vs long, nach.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by FUEL

The group of smaller ice cubes due to surface area and density are going to melt more quickly than a larger block with more surface area. So the long filler will "maturate" more slowly, in theory, than a short filler. Or one could say the short filler cigar has more edges that are exposed to the elements vs. a properly hand rolled long filler. How often do you see the middle of a stick, aka the filler, dry out first vs the wrapper.

My logic and 3 cents.

The analogy of ice melting to tobacco maturing is about as valid as a 2013 check from Jimmy Hoffa, James.