Selig Won't Reverse Call

[BlackDog]

The umpire, Jim Joyce, apologized to Gallaraga and admitted he made a bad call, and the video shows that the runner was beat by the throw, but Selig won't reverse the call that cost Galarraga a perfect game. I'd love to know his reasoning for not changing the call. Stupid.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/0...ct-game-blown/

Can't say I'd want to be Joyce when he takes the field tonight.

[awsmith4]

At least Joyce did admit his fault, I agree the call should be reversed. I still like the idea of a challenge flag like the NFL

[CigarNut]

Selig is an a$$hole. He is not man enough to do the right thing.

[shilala]

I was hoping he wouldn't reverse it. It's baseball. It's the way she goes.
The whole game relies on the human element, it's what it is. A metaphor for life.
Sometimes we get screwed in life. So goes it in baseball. That's what makes it baseball.
Gallaraga really got hosed awful, and this call being at the end of the game, it was the perfect time to start that "change a call" crap. I was afraid Selig would cave.
This game will be far more famous than any of the other perfect games, being "The Perfect Game That Never Was". It's in it's own category.
I'll never forget this one. I remember Halladay threw one this year, and someone else.
Being my point, I already forgot. And I live, eat, and breathe baseball. Have all my life.
I hope they never add video anything to baseball. It's Selig's job to protect that, and to make sure it stays the way it always was. A perfect game played by imperfect people.

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by shilala

I was hoping he wouldn't reverse it. It's baseball. It's the way she goes.

Amen. Yeah, it was a blown call. I feel bad for him, the ump, both teams, and fans everywhere. But, $#!+ happens . . . and had it happened in the 3rd inning, you wouldn't even know about it today.

[bobarian]

There is no basis for reversing the call after the game is over. Joyce apologized, Leyland and Gallaraga accepted. Done. Fini.

If they had reversed it would set a dangerous precedent that would go far beyond the existing rulebook.

[timo]

Originally Posted by bobarian

There is no basis for reversing the call after the game is over. Joyce apologized, Leyland and Gallaraga accepted. Done. Fini.

If they had reversed it would set a dangerous precedent that would go far beyond the existing rulebook.

[JaKaacH]

Originally Posted by bobarian

There is no basis for reversing the call after the game is over. Joyce apologized, Leyland and Gallaraga accepted. Done. Fini.

If they had reversed it would set a dangerous precedent that would go far beyond the existing rulebook.

Let it go..Move on. Its just a line or two in huge record book that statistic geeks will argue about. We all know he pitched a perfect game.

[SaltyMcGee]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Amen. Yeah, it was a blown call. I feel bad for him, the ump, both teams, and fans everywhere. But, $#!+ happens . . . and had it happened in the 3rd inning, you wouldn't even know about it today.

I'm not sure about that. It might not have been as dramatic, but if he blew the call early and the pitcher went on to be perfect we'd definitely hear about it. This is all a part of the larger debate about replay in baseball. Those who are for it use ANY excuse to make their argument. This incident would have been perfect whenever it happened during the game, but the argument is only strengthened since it occurred in the bottom of the 9th.

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Amen. Yeah, it was a blown call. I feel bad for him, the ump, both teams, and fans everywhere. But, $#!+ happens . . . and had it happened in the 3rd inning, you wouldn't even know about it today.

Thank God, I'm not the only one who feels this way....


I'm still seriously curious as to why nobody is getting on Miguel Cabrerra's case.

If he lets the second baseman make what is obviously his play, this isn't even an issue.

[SmokeyJoe]

Originally Posted by shilala

I was hoping he wouldn't reverse it. It's baseball. It's the way she goes.
The whole game relies on the human element, it's what it is. A metaphor for life.
Sometimes we get screwed in life. So goes it in baseball. That's what makes it baseball.
Gallaraga really got hosed awful, and this call being at the end of the game, it was the perfect time to start that "change a call" crap. I was afraid Selig would cave.
This game will be far more famous than any of the other perfect games, being "The Perfect Game That Never Was". It's in it's own category.
I'll never forget this one. I remember Halladay threw one this year, and someone else.
Being my point, I already forgot. And I live, eat, and breathe baseball. Have all my life.
I hope they never add video anything to baseball. It's Selig's job to protect that, and to make sure it stays the way it always was. A perfect game played by imperfect people.

Well said, Scott.

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by shilala

I hope they never add video anything to baseball. It's Selig's job to protect that, and to make sure it stays the way it always was. A perfect game played by imperfect people.

They already have. Close home runs can be challenged with a video replay, if that's the case already I can't see why a bang bang play at a pivotal point of the game couldn't. Worse things have happened than this, a World Series was lost in 85 over a bad call. The human element is one thing, but personally I hate to see baseball history altered in this way. Galarraga threw a perfect game, I hope Selig gets some sense in him and overturns the call.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

They already have. Close home runs can be challenged with a video replay, if that's the case already I can't see why a bang bang play at a pivotal point of the game couldn't. Worse things have happened than this, a World Series was lost in 85 over a bad call. The human element is one thing, but personally I hate to see baseball history altered in this way. Galarraga threw a perfect game, I hope Selig gets some sense in him and overturns the call.

I totally forgot about the homerun camera rule. That just started a couple years ago. They put cameras in all the parks.
That was also tried a number of years ago, like ten or fifteen, and then it was shot down.
I can see the argument for it, boundaries are not "the human element", so use what you have. Especially when foul poles are so hard to tell if the ball went over the fence inside the park.
Boundary calls cause derision between umpires, too. Two guys see it "in", two guys see it "out".
I can honestly say that I don't know if I like it or not. If I had a vote, I'd say "leave it out, period." It makes more sense that way.


Here's the thing...
Use instant replay to overrule a base ump's calls, then you need to use it to over rule home plate calls. Then balls and strikes.
Now it's football.
Plus there are years and years or footage of bad calls. Fix them, make adjustments to the games, and some teams don't make it to the playoffs that claimed the title.
Fair is fair, right?
It creates a mess that never ends. Without it, no mess. Just the day to day mess that emulates life.
If anything is precious in the game of baseball, it's the stats. How many *'s do the record books need?

I should probably also add, it's a game. Even if it's had lots and lots and lots of dollars thrown at it to make it a business, it's still a game.
All things said, it really doesn't amount to a dip of sh!t, regardless of how serious we like to let it make us feel.

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by shilala

I totally forgot about the homerun camera rule. That just started a couple years ago. They put cameras in all the parks.
That was also tried a number of years ago, like ten or fifteen, and then it was shot down.
I can see the argument for it, boundaries are not "the human element", so use what you have. Especially when foul poles are so hard to tell if the ball went over the fence inside the park.
Boundary calls cause derision between umpires, too. Two guys see it "in", two guys see it "out".
I can honestly say that I don't know if I like it or not. If I had a vote, I'd say "leave it out, period." It makes more sense that way.


Here's the thing...
Use instant replay to overrule a base ump's calls, then you need to use it to over rule home plate calls. Then balls and strikes.
Now it's football.
Plus there are years and years or footage of bad calls. Fix them, make adjustments to the games, and some teams don't make it to the playoffs that claimed the title.
Fair is fair, right?
It creates a mess that never ends. Without it, no mess. Just the day to day mess that emulates life.
If anything is precious in the game of baseball, it's the stats. How many *'s do the record books need?

I should probably also add, it's a game. Even if it's had lots and lots and lots of dollars thrown at it to make it a business, it's still a game.
All things said, it really doesn't amount to a dip of sh!t, regardless of how serious we like to let it make us feel.

The instant replay rule went into effect last year, not years years ago. And it did help get a few HR calls right. I'm not sure the answer is to let managers invoke replays, or argue balls and strikes, but given the closeness of the play and situation I can't see why the umps couldn't have the option to check things over. Or maybe not. The commissioner has the power to reverse plays, if doing so threatens the sanctity of the game so much, why bother giving him the option at all. It's there for a reason, what's the point if it never gets used?

Baseball is game. And games are meant to be fun. But this kinda takes the fun out of it don't you think?

[shilala]

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

The instant replay rule went into effect last year, not years years ago. And it did help get a few HR calls right. I'm not sure the answer is to let managers invoke replays, or argue balls and strikes, but given the closeness of the play and situation I can't see why the umps couldn't have the option to check things over. Or maybe not. The commissioner has the power to reverse plays, if doing so threatens the sanctity of the game so much, why bother giving him the option at all. It's there for a reason, what's the point if it never gets used?

Baseball is game. And games are meant to be fun. But this kinda takes the fun out of it don't you think?

Instant replay was tried in 99. It went into effect in August of 08.
I had to look it up.
I have no idea why they would give the Commissioner the power to reverse plays. Makes no sense.
If there was EVER one he could and should reverse, it was Joyce's call. It's THAT clear cut, being the next to last play and all.
That's why it had me worried.

I honestly don't think this outcome takes the fun out of it at all. I'm having all kinds of fun bantering with you about it, I just wish we had a porch and a cigar and a game on.
Like I said earlier, it makes the perfect game that much cooler. No one will ever forget that call, much like no one has ever forgotten Bucky Dent.

Another thing is that it's gonna hang around for a good long while. There's no reason the next Commish couldn't overturn it. And Bud could still overturn it whenever he wanted. I just don't see it happening, for lots of reasons.
It really is one of those things where I could change my mind on it. But I won't. Goes to what Baseball is, and that's cool with me. It's the only reason I didn't want it overturned, and I was both pissed and hurt for Armando. I can't even put a solid finger on why it shouldn't be overturned, the only defense I have is "it just shouldn't".

[Dave128]

Originally Posted by shilala

I was hoping he wouldn't reverse it. It's baseball. It's the way she goes.
The whole game relies on the human element, it's what it is. A metaphor for life.
Sometimes we get screwed in life. So goes it in baseball. That's what makes it baseball.
Gallaraga really got hosed awful, and this call being at the end of the game, it was the perfect time to start that "change a call" crap. I was afraid Selig would cave.
This game will be far more famous than any of the other perfect games, being "The Perfect Game That Never Was". It's in it's own category.
I'll never forget this one. I remember Halladay threw one this year, and someone else.
Being my point, I already forgot. And I live, eat, and breathe baseball. Have all my life.
I hope they never add video anything to baseball. It's Selig's job to protect that, and to make sure it stays the way it always was. A perfect game played by imperfect people.

I agree 100%.

[icehog3]

Tigers awarded Gallaraga a new Corvette before the game....Gallaraga is such a good guy, and he was floored by the gesture.

He also was sent to being the line-up to the umpire at home plate...who happened to be Joyce today. Joyce apologized again, his eyes full of tears.

I am glad Gallaraga is taking it well, and not letting it ruin his life that way Milt Pappas did almost 4 decades ago...he still freaks out about it in every interview he does to this day.

Originally Posted by icehog3

Tigers awarded Gallaraga a new Corvette before the game....Gallaraga is such a good guy, and he was floored by the gesture.

He also was sent to being the line-up to the umpire at home plate...who happened to be Joyce today. Joyce apologized again, his eyes full of tears.

I am glad Gallaraga is taking it well, and not letting it ruin his life that way Milt Pappas did almost 4 decades ago...he still freaks out about it in every interview he does to this day.

The backstory should be the "Real Story" in how one identifies what is more important. Joyce made a bad call but not because of intent but rather because he's a human and made an error after it was shown to him he made a mistake. His feelings afterward show a man who still has character even though he made a mistake...he admitted it and was sorrowful and repentant to Gallarga who knew immediately from the way Joyce expressed himself in words and action. Nobody or anything is infallible...baseball is like a "life teacher" in that you do things to the best of your ability and be true to yourself without benefit of "do overs" and time outs or "red flags"...imagine real life imitating this. We're supposed to learn from our mistakes and if you start putting up "red flags/time outs" you lose the real essence of the game and real life.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I am glad Gallaraga is taking it well, and not letting it ruin his life that way Milt Pappas did almost 4 decades ago...he still freaks out about it in every interview he does to this day.

Pappas was on the 10 O'Clock News tonight, saying he was going to sign a baseball and shove it up Bruce Froemming's (the ump who "blew" his perfect game) ass. 40 years later, and he was ranting. What a waste of life.

[14holestogie]

The class of the game and the true fans were on display yesterday in Detroit.

Joyce got it wrong and admitted it. Gallaraga understood and forgave.
Sportsmanship at it's finest on display. That is, after all, the reason we all played the game.