Poisoned Bolivar and Death

mosesbotbol · 05-05-2010, 12:01 PM

Not exactly your first thoughts, but quite interesting:

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/br...12299486.shtml

A U.S. scientist is supporting a theory that has been widely dismissed as a personal obsession of Venezuela's Hugo Chavez: that his hero Simon Bolivar might have died from arsenic poisoning.

Venezuela's leftist president rejects the traditional account that Bolivar, a brilliant Venezuelan military tactician who liberated much of South America from centuries of Spanish rule, died of tuberculosis in Colombia in 1830.

Now, Paul Auwaerter of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine says his death was most likely caused by arsenic -- either from drinking contaminated water or using the naturally occurring poison to try to cure headaches and hemorrhoids.

At a medical conference in Maryland last week, Auwaerter said he did not rule out murder but thought it was unlikely.

The scientist's caution, however, did not stop Chavez -- who has dedicated his "socialist revolution" to the memory of Bolivar -- from interpreting the findings as proof of murder.

"For years I have had the conviction in my heart that Bolivar did not die from tuberculosis," he said over the weekend.

"And now a scientist from the United States comes out saying he has proof ... that Bolivar died by murder," Chavez added, ordering his foreign minister to contact Auwaerter.

The doctor told Reuters the Venezuelan government had not yet been in touch, and he was worried his research was being misconstrued.

"What I said has been taken and used for their own political means," Auwaerter said in a telephone interview.

In his fight against "Yankee imperialism" by Washington, Chavez often invokes Bolivar -- who is second only to Jesus as a figure of reverence in much of South America.

md4958 · 05-05-2010, 12:04 PM

Moses, from your title, I thought you had done another review on the Short Bolivars

mosesbotbol · 05-05-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

Moses, from your title, I thought you had done another review on the Short Bolivars

Are they that bad? Have not had one yet.

Eleven · 05-05-2010, 01:07 PM

Having a nutjob like chavez holding Bolivar in high esteem does not bode well for the Cigar brand in my book.

Ashcan Bill · 05-05-2010, 01:23 PM

There's something wrong with that painting.

Shouldn't the sky be yellow?

St. Lou Stu · 05-05-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleven

Having a nutjob like chavez holding Bolivar in high esteem does not bode well for the Cigar brand in my book.

Good. More for me.

md4958 · 05-05-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Are they that bad? Have not had one yet.

No, they are not that bad, they are coming around.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill

There's something wrong with that painting.

Shouldn't the sky be yellow?

LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu

Good. More for me.

Lets see if we can have Chavez endorse the Especiale #2... hopefully the price will drop

St. Lou Stu · 05-05-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

No, they are not that bad, they are coming around.

LOL

Lets see if we can have Chavez endorse the Especiale #2... hopefully the price will drop

Stay away from my Especiales #2s Moe.

mosesbotbol · 05-05-2010, 01:40 PM

There is nothing wrong with Chavez endorsing or loving Simon Bolivar; it is expected.

Did you know Simon Bolivar is so loved, they named a country and cigar after him?

He is a hero to millions of Latinos.

md4958 · 05-05-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Did you know Simon Bolivar is so loved, they named a country and cigar after him?

Argentina, right?

mosesbotbol · 05-05-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

Argentina, right?

Don't sign up for Jepordy

md4958 · 05-05-2010, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Don't sign up for Jepordy

sorry... "what is Argentina?"

mosesbotbol · 05-05-2010, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by md4958

sorry... "what is Argentina?"

A place that has a lot of silver.

floydpink · 05-05-2010, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

There is nothing wrong with Chavez endorsing or loving Simon Bolivar; it is expected.

Did you know Simon Bolivar is so loved, they named a country and cigar after him?

He is a hero to millions of Latinos.

Just about every square in every town I have visited in South America has a statue or tribute to Bolivar.

In Cartagena, we used it as a meet up spot if we got seperated in one of the bars.

While there's plenty wrong with Chavez, there's plenty more to admire Bolivar for.

The cigars aren't bad either, but not as worthy of praise as Simon Bolivar, the great liberator.

I put him on the same level as a general as George Washington was to the USA, although Washington never became a dictator.

05-05-2010, 12:01 PM	#1
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Poisoned Bolivar and Death Not exactly your first thoughts, but quite interesting: http://www.postchronicle.com/news/br...12299486.shtml A U.S. scientist is supporting a theory that has been widely dismissed as a personal obsession of Venezuela's Hugo Chavez: that his hero Simon Bolivar might have died from arsenic poisoning. Venezuela's leftist president rejects the traditional account that Bolivar, a brilliant Venezuelan military tactician who liberated much of South America from centuries of Spanish rule, died of tuberculosis in Colombia in 1830. Now, Paul Auwaerter of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine says his death was most likely caused by arsenic -- either from drinking contaminated water or using the naturally occurring poison to try to cure headaches and hemorrhoids. At a medical conference in Maryland last week, Auwaerter said he did not rule out murder but thought it was unlikely. The scientist's caution, however, did not stop Chavez -- who has dedicated his "socialist revolution" to the memory of Bolivar -- from interpreting the findings as proof of murder. "For years I have had the conviction in my heart that Bolivar did not die from tuberculosis," he said over the weekend. "And now a scientist from the United States comes out saying he has proof ... that Bolivar died by murder," Chavez added, ordering his foreign minister to contact Auwaerter. The doctor told Reuters the Venezuelan government had not yet been in touch, and he was worried his research was being misconstrued. "What I said has been taken and used for their own political means," Auwaerter said in a telephone interview. In his fight against "Yankee imperialism" by Washington, Chavez often invokes Bolivar -- who is second only to Jesus as a figure of reverence in much of South America. __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

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Eleven Solid As The Sun Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Scott Location: SW Ohio Posts: 1,859 Trading: (23)	Re: Poisoned Bolivar and Death Having a nutjob like chavez holding Bolivar in high esteem does not bode well for the Cigar brand in my book. __________________ CA: putting the 'man' in bromance since 2008! --markem.

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Ashcan Bill Ol' Dude Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Bill Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 1,901 Trading: (6)	Re: Poisoned Bolivar and Death There's something wrong with that painting. Shouldn't the sky be yellow?

05-05-2010, 01:40 PM	#9
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: Poisoned Bolivar and Death There is nothing wrong with Chavez endorsing or loving Simon Bolivar; it is expected. Did you know Simon Bolivar is so loved, they named a country and cigar after him? He is a hero to millions of Latinos. __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

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05-05-2010, 12:04 PM	#2
md4958 Captain Cannoli Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moe Location: Suffield, CT Posts: 5,712 Trading: (62)	Re: Poisoned Bolivar and Death Moses, from your title, I thought you had done another review on the Short Bolivars __________________ "One fart can foul the air for everyone" - Esteemed philosopher "If avoiding the nasty $hit is being a snob, them I am guilty as charged."- Same esteemed philosopher.