No they don't have seconds for either of them... Lemme find the link on Vitolas.net
Edit: Fuente also is ripped off frequently by less than reputable distributors who claim to have Arturo Fuente factory seconds. “There absolutely are no Fuente seconds,” Suarez said. “ If they don’t measure up to Arturo Fuente standards, they are destroyed at the factory or given to employees to smoke.”
http://vitolas.net/displayimage.php?...ch&cat=0&pos=1