[icehog3]

Son, I am having the same results as you getting back to volume for awhile. I am hoping to keep making progress cycling through the two programs for the forseeable future.

Bill, I use several different pre-workout mixes, and I cycle through them. Your system definitely gets "used" to the same type of caffeine and other ingredients after a few weeks, so I find that cycling the different ones keeps me from getting "immune".

As I am sure Christos, Moses and others in this thread will tell you, some of the supplements that work great for one person don't work well for the next, so you have to see which ones work for you. My lineup of PWs that I cycle through includes White Flood, Hemo-Rage Ultra, Jack3d and 1MR.

Chip, I think the benefit of pull-ups for the chest is actually the stretch the pec muscles get when the back muscles are fully contracted. While I don't feel direct work on the chest doing pull-ups, I think the full stretch they get ultimately makes the pecs "fuller".