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OLS · 05-25-2011, 07:14 PM

I have to say too that my first response in this thread was directed at the odd statement about the industry regarding you as
a rock star. I found that a hell of a statement, especially given that you almost certainly had a part in it's wording. But because
I am an inteLLECTUAL blowhard, I thought, "you had better look into this person you are in the process of tearing down with
mockery". The more I read and poked around, the less I could point to as potential rocks to throw. The only thing I could
put my finger on was that you had basically jumped into the cigar business 5 years ago and were now a 'legend". And while
I wanted to have something smart-a$$ to say about it, I continued to find evidence that you had spent that time busting
your a$$ in promoting a product or products you had to apply maximum pressure on to overcome the reactions to their "oddity".
Certainly a max ligero cigar was not "new", but the Nub was different, and it has to be hard to overcome the thinking that this
cigar is over before it's barely moved an inch or two.

Then I see all these pub shots of you taking your rolling table to places and rolling and preaching. If you read my posts in this
thread, it is clear that I was trying to back out of most of the sarcasm i had taken time to write into the record. A lot of effort
for a person who doesn't even smoke NC cigars. What stock do I have in the game? Nothing. So here's to you, I was not
entirely surprised to see you post in this thread; this board is hands down the best web forum dedicated to cigars that can
be found, in my opinion. I am also not surprised to see you have only 7 posts. I think cigar makers and vendors can get
themselves in trouble by being too active or chummy in web forums. Drew in Mexicco comes to mind. But of course, you
are not a known scumbag. But it seems like they can never say the right thing in just the right way, which is fine for a
person like me. But for you, it can have long term and haunting consequences. I'll say that your statement above was
certainly welcome and had what I think was your desired effect. People who tear down your new venture and even your
marketing efforts are usually idiots who have an axe to grind or just like to make fun of everything. I am the latter.
But they were lining up to hack on Domino's new (then) marketing plan of basically saying their pizza sucked and was
going to be better, was a bad idea. It seemed I was the only one that predicted it would work, and very well. Point
being, what the hell do THEY know. My only disclaimer is that I have never had any of your products or any Oliva product.
I won't be buying your NEW product either, but I think you will have no trouble selling all you can roll. Good luck with your
plans, and if you could add my name to the list of people you will be supporting in 20-30 years through this new venture,
I would appreciate it. I will be needing it. And if you ever plan a trip to Memphis, let me know.

05-25-2011, 07:14 PM	#57
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: Sam Leccia Cigar Company I have to say too that my first response in this thread was directed at the odd statement about the industry regarding you as a rock star. I found that a hell of a statement, especially given that you almost certainly had a part in it's wording. But because I am an inteLLECTUAL blowhard, I thought, "you had better look into this person you are in the process of tearing down with mockery". The more I read and poked around, the less I could point to as potential rocks to throw. The only thing I could put my finger on was that you had basically jumped into the cigar business 5 years ago and were now a 'legend". And while I wanted to have something smart-a$$ to say about it, I continued to find evidence that you had spent that time busting your a$$ in promoting a product or products you had to apply maximum pressure on to overcome the reactions to their "oddity". Certainly a max ligero cigar was not "new", but the Nub was different, and it has to be hard to overcome the thinking that this cigar is over before it's barely moved an inch or two. Then I see all these pub shots of you taking your rolling table to places and rolling and preaching. If you read my posts in this thread, it is clear that I was trying to back out of most of the sarcasm i had taken time to write into the record. A lot of effort for a person who doesn't even smoke NC cigars. What stock do I have in the game? Nothing. So here's to you, I was not entirely surprised to see you post in this thread; this board is hands down the best web forum dedicated to cigars that can be found, in my opinion. I am also not surprised to see you have only 7 posts. I think cigar makers and vendors can get themselves in trouble by being too active or chummy in web forums. Drew in Mexicco comes to mind. But of course, you are not a known scumbag. But it seems like they can never say the right thing in just the right way, which is fine for a person like me. But for you, it can have long term and haunting consequences. I'll say that your statement above was certainly welcome and had what I think was your desired effect. People who tear down your new venture and even your marketing efforts are usually idiots who have an axe to grind or just like to make fun of everything. I am the latter. But they were lining up to hack on Domino's new (then) marketing plan of basically saying their pizza sucked and was going to be better, was a bad idea. It seemed I was the only one that predicted it would work, and very well. Point being, what the hell do THEY know. My only disclaimer is that I have never had any of your products or any Oliva product. I won't be buying your NEW product either, but I think you will have no trouble selling all you can roll. Good luck with your plans, and if you could add my name to the list of people you will be supporting in 20-30 years through this new venture, I would appreciate it. I will be needing it. And if you ever plan a trip to Memphis, let me know.