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					Originally Posted by  kickerb
					 
				 
				yeah, i need to pick one up. 
  
this was a Victorias shape, to me a draw tool could have ripped the cigar open 
			
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 That's a little bitty ring. Try some bigger stuff. In my experience, I'm gonna have more trouble with the real skinny stuff. That's a bummer, cause I like a small ring guage cigar, but I don't mind going up a couple rings if it's going to help.