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Yazzie 02-07-2009 09:08 AM

A-Fraud Tests Positive for Steroid Use
 
Great News Here!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3890785

Bruzee 02-07-2009 09:11 AM

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Wow..... Cheaters!

dunng 02-07-2009 09:21 AM

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Not surprised... :ss

MikeyC 02-07-2009 09:32 AM

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A-fraud . . . cheating? I'd like to say I'm surprised but I've already observed him try to cheat on other occassions in other ways.

tenbaseg 02-07-2009 09:51 AM

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Now he's truly a Yankee.

dunng 02-07-2009 09:54 AM

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http://mobclan.com/pointto/ArodPurse.jpg

Scottw 02-07-2009 10:05 AM

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Wow, that great news is only 6 years old. 2003?

bvilchez 02-07-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tenbaseg (Post 221364)
Now he's truly a Yankee.

Hey watch the low blow there!!!!!


I hated that man since I found out Steinbrenner was going after him. His conceited attitude has been nothing but a disruption for the team. We haven't had a TEAM in a while. All that individualism is killing them.

I'm glad that happened to him. Hope he gets a hefty fine along with it and a....let's say 1 year.....suspension.

Better yet.....make him turn in those Pinstripes!!!!!!!!!!! He doesn't deserve to be a Yankee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chippewastud79 02-07-2009 11:19 AM

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Sadly this really means nothing on the field. It may (may not) have a Barry Bonds-esque effect on his public perception, but he will still be starting at third base come the season opener with no repercussions. :bh

VirtualSmitty 02-07-2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bvilchez (Post 221489)
Hey watch the low blow there!!!!!


I hated that man since I found out Steinbrenner was going after him. His conceited attitude has been nothing but a disruption for the team. We haven't had a TEAM in a while. All that individualism is killing them.

I'm glad that happened to him. Hope he gets a hefty fine along with it and a....let's say 1 year.....suspension.

Better yet.....make him turn in those Pinstripes!!!!!!!!!!! He doesn't deserve to be a Yankee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He won't. It happened in 2003, penalties weren't instituted until 2004. Dissapointed yes, surprised no. Seems like just about all the great players from that era juiced at one time or another.

chippewastud79 02-07-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 221515)
He won't. It happened in 2003, penalties weren't instituted until 2004. Dissapointed yes, surprised no. Seems like just about all the great players from that era juiced at one time or another.

:tpd: It is fairly safe to assume at this point that more of the big name players were taking something than not. 103 players tested positive out of 5% of the major leaguers who were tested, that sounds like a pretty large percentage considering it likely translates to the rest of the league pretty well. It will likely go down as "The Steroid Era" adding an feeling of doubt that will be attached to all records set in the past 15 years or so.

MedicCook 02-07-2009 11:26 AM

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This also happened prior to being a Yankee. Since he has been a Yankee there has been no positive tests.

I also agee that he is a distraction to the team. I have never liked him but I will root for him as long as he is a Yankee.

elderboy02 02-07-2009 11:31 AM

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I hate cheaters. Stay classy A-Rod

chippewastud79 02-07-2009 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 221546)
I hate cheaters. Stay classy A-Rod

Sadly you better start hating most players in the last 10-15 years then. :hn

elderboy02 02-07-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 221558)
Sadly you better start hating most players in the last 10-15 years then. :hn

Yep. It is sad that people have to cheat.

chippewastud79 02-07-2009 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 221567)
Yep. It is sad that people have to cheat.

Its hard for athletes to not want an edge when you are talking about millions of dollars up for grabs, particularly in baseball. They created the situation and now there is nothing they can do to stop the backlash. Sad thing is that it took until 2004 for MLB to catch up with the rest of sports and MLBPA knew the whole time steroids were clearly being used by their athletes and tried to avoid the penalties for as long as possible. :hm

MedicCook 02-07-2009 11:49 AM

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A lot of these players also listen to their private trainers 'friends' a little too much and do not do the research themselves to see what is in some of these products they are taking.

Yazzie 02-07-2009 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook (Post 221577)
A lot of these players also listen to their private trainers 'friends' a little too much and do not do the research themselves to see what is in some of these products they are taking.

Maybe a few but by and large that's the lame excuse some use....."I didn't know what was in it" The cream and the Clear....Cmon, as an athlete it is your responsibility and decision what does or does not go in or on your body

elderboy02 02-07-2009 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Yazzie (Post 221583)
Maybe a few but by and large that's the lame excuse some use....."I didn't know what was in it" The cream and the Clear....Cmon, as an athlete it is your responsibility and decision what does or does not go in or on your body

Yep. It is a horrible excuse. "It was flaxseed oil" :bs

SeanGAR 02-07-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 221573)
Its hard for athletes to not want an edge when you are talking about millions of dollars up for grabs, particularly in baseball. They created the situation and now there is nothing they can do to stop the backlash. Sad thing is that it took until 2004 for MLB to catch up with the rest of sports and MLBPA knew the whole time steroids were clearly being used by their athletes and tried to avoid the penalties for as long as possible. :hm

Exactly. Players know the other guys are doing it and if they don't, they may lose their edge and their jobs to the other guy's drugs. ARod was using before it was illegal. Yawn. Seriously, this is big news?

tobii3 02-07-2009 01:07 PM

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and this surprises who?? Anyone?? Bueller?? Bueller??

gettysburgfreak 02-07-2009 01:48 PM

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Music to my ears

smokinj 02-07-2009 01:49 PM

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A-Rod= POS

Yazzie 02-07-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by smokinj (Post 221753)
A-Rod= POS


:tpd::tu

blugill 02-08-2009 07:55 AM

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I'm starting to change my position on steroids. What steroids have really done is make the game more interesting to watch. More strikeouts, more home runs, more hits, better fielding.

IMHO most players are or were at least on HGH. Most being the majority. There are plenty of people who aren't and I'm sure they have mediocre numbers. It was way more interesting to watch a game when the hitter and pitcher were juiced.

The drugs really didn't hurt anyone but the individual player and of course the record books which hurt the baseball purists which in turn have held the game back and kept it from evolving to compete with the NFL in terms of popularity.

Bring back the roids and make the game watchable again!

taltos 02-08-2009 08:07 AM

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I almost feel sorry for A-roid when he visits other ball parks this year, especially Fenway. Life will be miserable for that piece of scum this season.:ss

VirtualSmitty 02-08-2009 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by taltos (Post 222822)
I almost feel sorry for A-roid when he visits other ball parks this year, especially Fenway. Life will be miserable for that piece of scum this season.:ss

There's still 103 other players unnamed. I wonder who on Boston has been roiding?

Genetic Defect 02-08-2009 10:26 AM

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what a surprise :rolleyes:

ca21455 02-08-2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by blugill (Post 222805)
I'm starting to change my position on steroids. What steroids have really done is make the game more interesting to watch. More strikeouts, more home runs, more hits, better fielding.

IMHO most players are or were at least on HGH. Most being the majority. There are plenty of people who aren't and I'm sure they have mediocre numbers. It was way more interesting to watch a game when the hitter and pitcher were juiced.

The drugs really didn't hurt anyone but the individual player and of course the record books which hurt the baseball purists which in turn have held the game back and kept it from evolving to compete with the NFL in terms of popularity.

Bring back the roids and make the game watchable again!

Using steroids is wrong for so many reasons. It is difficult these days to find a good role model for kids we don't need to tell them it is ok to not work hard and just use drugs to get better. Not only is this taking the lazy way out but it will also kill you and that's ok to be famous and make money.

VirtualSmitty 02-08-2009 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ca21455 (Post 223075)
Using steroids is wrong for so many reasons. It is difficult these days to find a good role model for kids ...

Ummm, parents?

Genetic Defect 02-08-2009 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 223104)
Ummm, parents?

:tpd:

RJK18 02-08-2009 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 221684)
and this surprises who?? Anyone?? Bueller?? Bueller??

:tpd:
Quote:

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 221558)
Sadly you better start hating most players in the last 10-15 years then. :hn

You better go back much farther then that. Ball players started taking steroids only after mlb got rid of the 5 gallon pails of Amphetamines from the locker rooms. I say you have to go back 30- 40 yrs.

ca21455 02-08-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 223104)
Ummm, parents?

Your absolutely correct! I was just referring to using a sports figure as a role model. These days parents are the ones that have to step up and be a role model and by saying that using steroids is ok is sending the wrong message.

blugill 02-08-2009 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ca21455 (Post 223186)
Your absolutely correct! I was just referring to using a sports figure as a role model. These days parents are the ones that have to step up and be a role model and by saying that using steroids is ok is sending the wrong message.

Ok so lets examine that for a minute. Our society is essentially for the time being a capitalist society. Success in the athletic world, for better or worse, is usually based on making bank by putting up numbers.

Steroids, HGH, clear, cream what have you is a way to achieve that. Yes it does have serious physical side effects but so does working for a living in a steel plant or a coal mine. In the innercities it might be gang related activities that shortens your lifespan, steroids are tame in comparison.

The plus side is that you can put up monster numbers, heal faster, jump higher and maybe long enough to make your big payday.

mosesbotbol 02-08-2009 12:20 PM

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Remember, the Majors is entertainment. You want home runs? You want big hits and big pitching? Baseball is not ready to bite the hand it feeds from. The Senate is wasting our taxpayer's money. Sure the Gov't can ruin a few legends, but let the Majors take care of Majors.

taltos 02-08-2009 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 223007)
There's still 103 other players unnamed. I wonder who on Boston has been roiding?

Wouldn't be surprised if a player or players from Boston got caught. If so, he or they would also be a huge pos for violating the fan's trust.:fl

Genetic Defect 02-08-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 223205)
Remember, the Majors is entertainment. You want home runs? You want big hits and big pitching? Baseball is not ready to bite the hand it feeds from. The Senate is wasting our taxpayer's money. Sure the Gov't can ruin a few legends, but let the Majors take care of Majors.

Not everyone finds it entertaining

blugill 02-08-2009 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 223214)
Not everyone finds it entertaining

Well not now that people aren't hitting 70 home runs a year....

Genetic Defect 02-08-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blugill (Post 223217)
Well not now that people aren't hitting 70 home runs a year....

Even then I wasn't entertained. I get bored easy now with most sports

Partagaspete 02-08-2009 01:17 PM

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Wasn't Clemens roiding too? where did he come from? Oh yeay your organization. Didn't you guys try to outbid NY for A-Rod but loose? What would you guys be saying if you had him. Gimme a break!

Some Bo-sox fans can be so hypocritical it is not even funny. Not to mention a bit xenophobic.


You want to talk Sports; then talk about your Bruins instead of Hating on the Yankees. They are doing great and have a real shot this year.

T

taltos 02-08-2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Partagaspete (Post 223254)
Wasn't Clemens roiding too? where did he come from? Oh yeay your organization. Didn't you guys try to outbid NY for A-Rod but loose? What would you guys be saying if you had him. Gimme a break!

Some Bo-sox fans can be so hypocritical it is not even funny. Not to mention a bit xenophobic.


You want to talk Sports; then talk about your Bruins instead of Hating on the Yankees. They are doing great and have a real shot this year.

T

Couple of points, the Red Sox won the A-Rod derby but the Players' Association would not let him redo his contract. Also, Clemens spent more time outside the Boston organization than he did within it. You obviously did not read my post where I condemned any Boston players who used performance enhancing drugs. Hating on the Yankees is a Boston tradition as is Yankee fans hating on the Red Sox. Try being fair in your responses when fairness is justified.

MiamiE 02-08-2009 01:39 PM

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I hate the Yankees, and enjoy the Red Sox success a lot. I am not a fan of either, but if you think no former or current Red Sox are 'juicing', you are living in la la land. This is a sports writers dream.

VirtualSmitty 02-08-2009 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Partagaspete (Post 223254)
Wasn't Clemens roiding too? where did he come from? Oh yeay your organization. Didn't you guys try to outbid NY for A-Rod but loose? What would you guys be saying if you had him. Gimme a break!

Some Bo-sox fans can be so hypocritical it is not even funny. Not to mention a bit xenophobic.

Red Sox nation wouldn't be Red Sox nation if they didn't constantly ***** about every little thing the Yankees do. Whining is their specialty Pete ;)

Anywho, i'm pumped. The added A-Rod hate over roiding isn't going to make any difference. Hardly anyone here likes the guy, can't see how he could be booed any more than he already has been. Lord knows i'll be there opening day with a few choice words for him :D

AD720 02-08-2009 04:30 PM

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A-Rod will get in the H.O.F. Mark Mcguire will get in the H.O.F. Barry Bonds will get in the H.O.F.


Peter Edward Rose will not. :sad

Yazzie 02-08-2009 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AD720 (Post 223460)
A-Rod will get in the H.O.F. Mark Mcguire will get in the H.O.F. Barry Bonds will get in the H.O.F.


Peter Edward Rose will not. :sad

I'm not so sure about that. The writers have clearly said (by their vote or lack there of) that they are not ready to put McGuire in......

AD720 02-08-2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Yazzie (Post 223471)
I'm not so sure about that. The writers have clearly said (by their vote or lack there of) that they are not ready to put McGuire in......

McGuire or not my point is the same. Pete Rose did his time now let him in!

Sorry for the thread jack.

BigFrank 02-08-2009 04:49 PM

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Not surprised by A-Rod. Most guys use, or have used. Thinking guys arent on something is being naive.

Asher 02-08-2009 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanGAR (Post 221678)
Exactly. Players know the other guys are doing it and if they don't, they may lose their edge and their jobs to the other guy's drugs. ARod was using before it was illegal.

I don't know what type of steroids A-Rod was using or whether he had a prescription, but MLB banned steroids in 1991, and anabolic steroids were classified as controlled substances in 1990.

Ace$nyper 02-08-2009 05:17 PM

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They just picked the biggest name player to out. Bigger news story. That's probably why the boston fans are so busy up in arms, no one cares about anyone their.

That aside, no really, It's just biggest name most shock. I dunno I kind am on the fence, I mean if you sat at your office job and guzzled HGH you won't be huge you still need to work out for it. Should we ban protein shakes next?

Sports of any kind have always been about the edge, be it race cars drilling holes in the suspension for that last pound, putting your hands behind you to force a foul or gobble something to wire you up.

Not putting any spin on it that's just how it is, and riods are now the loophole or edge that is getting closed.

Personally I'm mixed on it, these people live for this sport they aren't morons they understand the risks should it be stopped? It is unfair to those who choose not to. But is giving up 5 years later on worth it for another good season? I'm not holding a needle and wondering that.

I'm not looking to stand up for or bash any of the players. Just throwing it out.

VirtualSmitty 02-08-2009 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Asher (Post 223494)
I don't know what type of steroids A-Rod was using or whether he had a prescription, but MLB banned steroids in 1991, and anabolic steroids were classified as controlled substances in 1990.

There was no testing and no penalties for doing so though. Testing didn't come until 03, penalties didn't come into effect until 04.


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