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Blueface 01-22-2009 07:00 PM

Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Darn if I know what to think of this.
They were High Schoolers.
They showed up.
They got slaughtered.
I remember a similar beating one year in grammar school on my basketball team. I think the final score was like 70 something to less than 5.
We picked up our butts and moved on.
No one complained on our behalf.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

Footbag 01-22-2009 07:12 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
No need to apologize. That only makes the story bigger. I've played lots of sports and have been on both sides of the blowouts. Sandbagging is a bigger offense IMO.

Kreth 01-22-2009 07:17 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
I remember once in HS, our soccer team lost 13-0 (a huge loss in soccer) to a team that went on to states. We got over it. To be honest in today's BS "everyone's a winner" uber-PC world, I'm surprised they didn't offer grief counseling to the losing team. :rolleyes:

md4958 01-22-2009 08:43 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
When I was in highschool soccer and we were destroying another team our coach wouldnt allow us to score anymore.

It was more a gesture of sportmanship than anything else.

This coach should have backed off a bit when his team was almost up 60-0 at the end of the 2nd quarter. At least let them get a few points on the board!

Im all about letting kids feel what loosing is like, but this is just poor sportsmanship IMO.

tobii3 01-22-2009 10:14 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Sportsmanship is DEAD thanks to the PC weenies.

Remember all the kids that were bench warmers because they SUCKED??

They are the parents now. DO the math.

Funny thing....when we got our asses handed to us, we practiced that much harder to make sure it didn't happen again.

You think these kids learn anything when you ""pad"" the games??

Junior can't throw the ball...but he should play. Maybe Junior should PRACTICE to become BETTER???? Nah, that would make sense, wouldn't it??

MedicCook 01-22-2009 10:27 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Sports is where kids learn what real life is all about. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. The harder you try the better chance you have at being a winner. Then with team sports you learn that and then learn that you are only as good as your weakest player, which is another good life lesson for kids as they grow up.
I have a feeling that this team gave up and are just as responsible for the lopsided loss as the team that beat them.
I also agree that the PC world has killed youth sports and it is showing more and more as these kids grow up and have been pampered in life and not had the ability to learn what being a loser feels like and learn to cope with it and move on, instead their first failure is in adulthood and some are never able to recover from it.

shvictor 01-22-2009 11:28 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 185774)
Sportsmanship is DEAD thanks to the PC weenies.

Remember all the kids that were bench warmers because they SUCKED??

They are the parents now. DO the math.

Funny thing....when we got our asses handed to us, we practiced that much harder to make sure it didn't happen again.

You think these kids learn anything when you ""pad"" the games??

Junior can't throw the ball...but he should play. Maybe Junior should PRACTICE to become BETTER???? Nah, that would make sense, wouldn't it??

Preach it brother

Blueface 01-23-2009 07:05 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 185774)
Sportsmanship is DEAD thanks to the PC weenies.

Remember all the kids that were bench warmers because they SUCKED??

They are the parents now. DO the math.

Funny thing....when we got our asses handed to us, we practiced that much harder to make sure it didn't happen again.

You think these kids learn anything when you ""pad"" the games??

Junior can't throw the ball...but he should play. Maybe Junior should PRACTICE to become BETTER???? Nah, that would make sense, wouldn't it??

:r:r:r

Thanks for the morning chuckle.
Although true, nevertheless funny.

ActionAndy 01-23-2009 07:35 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 185774)
Sportsmanship is DEAD thanks to the PC weenies.

Remember all the kids that were bench warmers because they SUCKED??

They are the parents now. DO the math.

Funny thing....when we got our asses handed to us, we practiced that much harder to make sure it didn't happen again.

You think these kids learn anything when you ""pad"" the games??

Junior can't throw the ball...but he should play. Maybe Junior should PRACTICE to become BETTER???? Nah, that would make sense, wouldn't it??

This is why I'm sick of parents and their crusades. "We need to change for the children!" I'll admit it, I flat out hate people's children. I hate that they're sacred cows and self righteous losers are making up for their own hurt feelings by babying the next generation. If a cause has children involved, get ready to give them whatever they ask for. Cases in point: MADD, Efran Marrero Foundation, etc.

rack04 01-23-2009 07:43 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Footbag (Post 185436)
No need to apologize. That only makes the story bigger. I've played lots of sports and have been on both sides of the blowouts. Sandbagging is a bigger offense IMO.

FWIW, this story is being blown out of proportion on the internet. This is the first time I've heard about it and I live in Dallas. I haven't seen any mention on the local news.

kaisersozei 01-23-2009 08:30 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
(Ok, I'm probably going to hell for what I'm about to say, but it struck me as funny as crap...)

The losing team was Dallas Academy. From the article:

"The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with “learning differences,” such as short attention spans or dyslexia."

Short attention spans? Well, no wonder they lost. Can you imagine how that basketball game looked? I mean, the quarters are, what--12 minutes long? ;)



(Yes, I can joke about it because I deal with ADHD in my own family.)

Blueface 01-23-2009 09:24 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kaisersozei (Post 186273)
(Ok, I'm probably going to hell for what I'm about to say, but it struck me as funny as crap...)

The losing team was Dallas Academy. From the article:

"The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with “learning differences,” such as short attention spans or dyslexia."

Short attention spans? Well, no wonder they lost. Can you imagine how that basketball game looked? I mean, the quarters are, what--12 minutes long? ;)



(Yes, I can joke about it because I deal with ADHD in my own family.)

:r:r:r
Man, not laughing at the issue. Just the thought of what you said.

Genetic Defect 01-23-2009 09:37 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
whats this apology crap? did Patrick apologize when he whooped your a$$? :r

shilala 01-23-2009 01:58 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
I've coached soccer and softball for the last 20 years. Two teams a year, usually.
I have never and will never tell my kids to let up, or to play at less than 100%. If that means winning 100 to nothing, so be it.
What I do to try to balance a pounding is to load up with second stringers. If they continue to whallop the other team, that's a great accomplishment for those kids, too.
Those girls worked hard and should benefit from the feeling they get from a good win.
The kids who got their asses handed to them can learn just as much.
I do agree that there's a "line". There's always an argument about where that line is because this world is so chock full of pussies nowadays.

We used to play State College in basketball when I was in High School. They'd regularly beat us by a 70 point margin. I scored 5 points against them once (from second string) and it felt like the greatest accomplishment of my life to that point, despite the fact we lost by 80 or 90 points. :D

I can see why the girls on that club were excited, they were about to score 100 points and I'm sure that's something they've never done.
Why a team of that caliber was playing a team full of girls with "learning differences" is a good question. Hopefully someone learned that it's not a good idea to take a knife to a gun fight. :r

The coach did let up with 4 minutes left in the game after he allowed the girls to achieve the 100 point mark. The Dallas Academy girls said "they were frustrated during the game but felt it was a learning opportunity. They also said they are excited about some of the attention they are receiving from the loss, including an invitation from Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to see an NBA game from his suite."

I think the grownups involved need to grow up. :tu

Yazzie 01-23-2009 02:42 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Man, I am sick of this but it did get me thinking.

What bothers me is we have become such a PC society that now everyone has to defend their actions and the principal of the winning HS wants to forfeit the game. Yes, the winning HS principal wants to forfeit the game because they won.

Hell, when we were kids and got our ASSES kicked in sports what did we do? We worked that much harder to make sure it didn’t happen again right?

Think back: when we played sports what happened to the kids who SUCKED (Including us)? They/We rode the bench and they/We rode the bench until:

A: They/We figured they/We didn’t like the sport much and just stopped playing. Nothing wrong with that

B: They/we really enjoyed playing but figured out quickly that in order to get better some hard work was going to be needed. Yes it may be a tough concept for some of this society’s parents to grasp but maybe Junior needs to actually Practice (“Practice?” Yes Iverson) to get better at something. What a silly concept huh?

But now you have youth sports where everyone plays and everyone wins and everone gets a medal and frankly it’s one big Cum-By-Ya . What the Hell has happened to competition?

The PC Weenies have really put a damper on youth sports and competition and the life lessons that it teaches children that they can use throughout their lives….

Junior can’t throw the ball but Junior should play…….Maybe Junior should practice MORE to become BETTER? Nah, that would make too much sense now wouldn’t it? :ss

tnip23 01-23-2009 03:01 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
From what I read elsewhere the winning team only had 6 players, so putting in the second string wasn't really possible. Also heard the losing team is withdrawing from the league for the rest of the season. I hope the winners don't go through with there plans of forfeiting the game, wins and losses happen, you should be able to learn from both.

Prefy 01-23-2009 03:05 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Losing 100-0 definitely isn't a confidence booster but what goes around comes around and that's what must be remembered. Throughout your time playing athletics you are going to be on both side of these beatings and I really see no reason to forfiet a game. At least 100 points is a common occurrence in basketball if you want to see a real beating check out when Slovakia beat Bulgaria 82-0 in an Olympic hockey qualifying event.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...urn=nhl,106362

LordOfWu 01-23-2009 03:32 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 185637)
When I was in highschool soccer and we were destroying another team our coach wouldnt allow us to score anymore.

It was more a gesture of sportmanship than anything else.

This coach should have backed off a bit when his team was almost up 60-0 at the end of the 2nd quarter. At least let them get a few points on the board!

Im all about letting kids feel what loosing is like, but this is just poor sportsmanship IMO.

I've been a coach (soccer) and I've put restrictions on who can score and set up more like training scenario in games that got out of hand. It's poor sportsmanship, bottom line.

tobii3 01-23-2009 03:56 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LordOfWu (Post 187041)
I've been a coach (soccer) and I've put restrictions on who can score and set up more like training scenario in games that got out of hand. It's poor sportsmanship, bottom line.

WHAT??

Quote:

I've put restrictions on who can score
What kind of coach are you??

If the player can score, DO IT!

Quote:

training scenario in games that got out of hand.

The game IS the show, NOT the training!!

WTF?? Next you're gonna tell me that the '85 Bears should have just quit playing the Super Bowl so the Patriots wouldn't take such a colossal, lopsided beating??

Your coaching skills STINK!!!!

You say it's poor sportsmanship to demonstrate WHO wants to actually EXCEL at the sport??? Why should we have the Olympics?? Why should we have the World Championships??

Why bother COMPETING if you aren't going to declare a WINNER????

tobii3 01-23-2009 04:32 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
alrighty, let's take a walk down history lane....

The Japanese kicked our ass at Pearl Harbor December 7th, 1941....what did we do on August 6th and 9th in 1945??

Who won?

Do you HONESTLY think that kids will learn a lesson by declaring everyone a "winner"??

There HAS to be a Loser. Simple fact of life.

Yin/Yang.....Good/Evil.....Winner/Loser.....There has to be a BALANCE.

One of the greatest Inventors of our time had the most profound wisdom.....

Quote:

Many of life's failures are men who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.
and my favorite one....

Quote:

I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

Prefy 01-23-2009 04:34 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 187091)


Your coaching skills STINK!!!!

:confused:

tobii3 01-23-2009 05:53 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
No need to start a war, Prefy.

there is a reason we have CHAMPIONS....why we have HEROES....Why we have ROLE MODELS.....Because they WON.

Prefy 01-23-2009 06:00 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 187279)
No need to start a war, Prefy.

there is a reason we have CHAMPIONS....why we have HEROES....Why we have ROLE MODELS.....Because they WON.

I'm sure our heros will come from minor soccer blowouts:rolleyes:

tobii3 01-23-2009 07:11 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
lemme throw a little wisdom your way....

Quote:

The final leg, called "the anchor," had America's Jason Lezak going up against the star of the French team. At 32, Lezak was the grand old man of the American relay team. After winning bronze and silver the last two Olympics, he said he was tired of losing.He put forth an incredible effort and touched the wall a millisecond before the Frenchman.
AND WHAT DID HE DO???

He was TIRED of losing.....I think somebody actually LEARNED something here....wait....is it possible?? to LEARN from LOSING??? Why, that's just unbelievable, that can't happen, it would make too much sense, he couldn't possibly LEARN SOMETHING from LOSING???

That is WHY we have WINNERS and LOSERS

Genetic Defect 01-23-2009 07:17 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
HA! I'm winning at losing

Mr.Maduro 01-24-2009 05:55 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 186396)
whats this apology crap? did Patrick apologize when he whooped your a$$? :r

:r

md4958 01-24-2009 06:36 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 187091)

What kind of coach are you??

Your coaching skills STINK!!!!

A bit uncalled for and disrespectful in my opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 187163)
Do you HONESTLY think that kids will learn a lesson by declaring everyone a "winner"??

There HAS to be a Loser. Simple fact of life.

I completely agree. HOWEVER, is it necessary to embarass the other team? If you beat out somebody for a promotion at work, would you go up to them and "ha-ha" in thier face?? Nothing like kicking a man when hes down.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...lson_ha_ha.jpg

Also, for the winning team, what sort of satisfaction do they get from decimating a team of kids with learning disabilities? Can they be proud of that fact??

For me the greatest wins are not the ones where you win easily, but the wins that you have to work your ass off for. THOSE are the games you remember.

ChINaMaN1472 01-26-2009 02:59 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
The people who know winning best are the losers.

What's not told are other factors around the team(s).

Has the winning team constantly been doing blowouts? If so, then what's the big deal about 100-0? Basketball is about scoring consistently, once there's a huge deficit in points it just means the other team is that much better. If not, then it's a random fluke where someone had a good day and someone had a bad day. **** days happen, get over it.

Has the losing team constantly lost by blowouts? If they've lost every game like this, then you have a bad team; practice harder and do whatever it takes if basketball is a passion for the players. I didn't see Albert Einstein "give up" because some theory didn't work, or have another great mind give up his Nobel Prize because Einstein couldn't figure out some other theory. If it was a fluke, well like before, get over it.

It's terrible that schools dumb down everything due to PC-parents. You pass kids that should fail, you take away victories from those who earn it and give freebies to those who don't deserve it. If this keeps up, I'm scared of what the future may entail.

Gone Dave 01-26-2009 06:23 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Well lets stir the pot, :) the winning coach was fired yesterday:rolleyes:
Its like a soap opera.. Yes I would hate to be on the losing team, but I would just say they handed our as's to us.:( I agree it's a hard call, but I tell my son everytime he wins"it's good to win, but SOMETIMES you lose."
and when I beat him I say " it stinks to lose, but what can you learn from it that will help you next time? Loser" :r:r

ucla695 01-26-2009 07:34 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Yep, he was fired. Here's some more info.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...ch-fired_N.htm

md4958 01-26-2009 07:42 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gone Dave (Post 191649)
Well lets stir the pot, :) the winning coach was fired yesterday:rolleyes:

Thats just ridiculous.

RevSmoke 01-26-2009 08:51 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
A couple things.
1) Why were two teams of obviously vastly different student populations, doing in the same league? And, if there was such obvious differences, and this was brought out by the fact that this team has not won a game in the last three years, what were they doing on the same court?

2) I have coached numerous sports in the last 25 years. The best example I can give is the 12-0 drubbing my team (local youth soccer league for 11-14 year olds) delivered this last season in soccer. When the score got to 5-0, I rotated the line-up with the following instructions, "If you have scored this season (it was our 3rd game), you cannot take a shot on goal today." Then, we proceeded to get the remaining seven players on the team who had gone without a goal, to get their first.

It ws not so much out of pity for the other team, as I saw it as an opportunity to get some of my players the opportunity they might never get against the superior teams we'd play later. I used it as a practice/scrimmage opportunity to get the team to do some other things. It was amazing how a couple players, who were some of my better forwards became better team players that day - learning to pass. It stood us in good stead when we played tougher teams and they learned to key on the better players - and they knew that they could pass and someone else might have a better opportunity to score, and did.

While I hate to see such lopsided scores in any sport, kids also need to learn that not everything is going to be given them. They will apply for jobs, and the better candidate will get the job. They are not always going to get their own way. And, when they fall on their backside (as they all will at some point), they will need to shake the dust off and get out their and try again.

Here's another thought. Maybe this school ought not field a basketball team if all they can do is get beaten so bad. Of course, losing does build character. Of course, how you win exposes character.

Kreth 01-26-2009 08:59 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RevSmoke (Post 191865)
While I hate to see such lopsided scores in any sport, kids also need to learn that not everything is going to be given them. They will apply for jobs, and the better candidate will get the job. They are not always going to get their own way. And, when they fall on their backside (as they all will at some point), they will need to shake the dust off and get out their and try again.

I think it's going to get worse. You have parents suing coaches now when their kids get cut. In a few years, we'll start seeing lawsuits when these entitled little brats get passed over for a job opportunity. :rolleyes:

physiognomy 01-26-2009 09:05 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 187091)
...What kind of coach are you?? ... Your coaching skills STINK!!!!

I would suggest thinking before posting in the future... Very poor form making such rude & disrespectful comments towards another brother without the benefit of any more information. Maybe you don't agree with someone else's methods, but you certainly aren't winning any 'coach of the year' awards given your attitude.

tobii3 01-26-2009 09:05 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Did anyone catch THIS snippet??

Quote:

Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons
Two questions -

1 - What were the scores of THOSE games???

2 - Which coach got fired again??

:bh

Kreth 01-26-2009 09:17 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Looks like the winning coach only had 8 girls on his team as well. They can only run the clock for so long before they have to shoot. What were they supposed to do, intentionally miss?

Genetic Defect 01-26-2009 09:57 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
I think they should close the school

ChINaMaN1472 01-27-2009 11:42 AM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Ridiculous.

You do something you're supposed to do (win) and get fired for it. Let's baby the next generation even more and just GIVE them college degrees.

tobii3 01-27-2009 02:14 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by physiognomy (Post 191899)
I would suggest thinking before posting in the future... Very poor form making such rude & disrespectful comments towards another brother without the benefit of any more information. Maybe you don't agree with someone else's methods, but you certainly aren't winning any 'coach of the year' awards given your attitude.

And if you would READ what I posted instead of what everyone has cut n pasted, you would understand, rather than jumping on the bandwagon halfa$$ed.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of Wu
I've been a coach (soccer) and I've put restrictions on who can score and set up more like training scenario in games that got out of hand. It's poor sportsmanship, bottom line.

And my response was the following.....

Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of Wu
I've put restrictions on who can score

What kind of coach are you??

If the player can score, DO IT!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of Wu
...training scenario in games that got out of hand.

The game IS the show, NOT the training!!

WTF?? Next you're gonna tell me that the '85 Bears should have just quit playing the Super Bowl so the Patriots wouldn't take such a colossal, lopsided beating??

Your coaching skills STINK!!!!

You say it's poor sportsmanship to demonstrate WHO wants to actually EXCEL at the sport??? Why should we have the Olympics?? Why should we have the World Championships??

Why bother COMPETING if you aren't going to declare a WINNER????
Now, THAT is what was originally posted

MedicCook 01-27-2009 02:21 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
To me the blame really needs to fall on the school administration of the winning team for making this a big deal to begin with. If they kept out of it and just went on with life this would never have become a media circus.

ActionAndy 01-27-2009 03:28 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
To be very sincere I think we can all admit that no one cares about girls' basketball anyway.

ChINaMaN1472 01-27-2009 04:24 PM

Re: Team that wins 100-0 apologizes
 
The coach's response to this whole shenanigan. He brings up good points.


http://www.flightbasketball.com/100-...rom-Coach.html

tobii3 01-28-2009 07:49 AM

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Quote:

In fact, during my first year at Covenant four years ago, we experienced one of our worst seasons - a losing record of only 2 wins and 19 losses that sunk to an 82-6 low in a game that forever changed us and how we approached the game of basketball.
well, f*ck me gently with a chainsaw......isn't that what i said.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobii3
He was TIRED of losing.....I think somebody actually LEARNED something here....wait....is it possible?? to LEARN from LOSING??? Why, that's just unbelievable, that can't happen, it would make too much sense, he couldn't possibly LEARN SOMETHING from LOSING???

remember this comment from PAGE 1???

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 185774)
Funny thing....when we got our asses handed to us, we practiced that much harder to make sure it didn't happen again.

....Maybe Junior should PRACTICE to become BETTER???? Nah, that would make sense, wouldn't it??

:r:r:r


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