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Porch Dweller 04-21-2016 03:44 PM

Your Top Five Underrated Guitarists
 
The death of Prince gave me the idea for this thread. These are the guys that in your opinion have amazing skill but don't seem to get lumped up there with the Guitar Gods such as Clapton, Jeff Beck, Hendrix, Van Halen, etc.

Mine are:

1) Robert Fripp. Just an absolute monster on the guitar, with blazing speed and technique.
2) Frank Zappa. Fans of Zappa know just how incredible he was, but mainstream music fans just seem to go "Oh, that 'Don't Eat the Yellow Snow' Guy. Whatever."
3) Rory Gallagher. If there had never been a Clapton or Hendrix he might be a household name like those two are.
4) Prince. As I said in the other thread, his chosen genres of music might have overshadowed his ability to blow the roof off of the house.
5) Adam Jones. His playing with Tool is the very definition of textured.

The Poet 04-21-2016 03:51 PM

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I'd have to include John McLaughlin and Ry Cooder on my list. Hell, half the time I mention them, folks say "Who??"

Edit: Can I add Jorma Kaukonen to these?

Porch Dweller 04-21-2016 03:55 PM

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Good call on John McLaughlin!

nutcracker 04-21-2016 04:01 PM

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Steven Stills
Neil Young
Jesse Cook
George Harrison
Joe Walsh

Porch Dweller 04-21-2016 04:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nutcracker (Post 2084137)
Steven Stills
Neil Young
Jesse Cook
George Harrison
Joe Walsh

I was about this ----><---- close to putting Joe Walsh on my list.

nutcracker 04-21-2016 04:07 PM

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Can hear the "life in the fast lane" riff in my head right now

The Poet 04-21-2016 04:12 PM

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Stills was outstanding, but I always felt Walsh was too restrained in the Eagles sound. Give me some James Gang though . . . :banger

The Poet 04-21-2016 04:19 PM

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Ooo, ooo, ooo . . . Alvin Lee!

Wharf Rat 04-21-2016 04:23 PM

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I'd throw in David Gilmour. And, someone has to say, Jerry Garcia (unless he is considered one of the gods and is off the table.)

The Poet 04-21-2016 04:29 PM

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For possible reference, there's this.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/li...rists-20111123

The Poet 04-21-2016 05:09 PM

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Re John McLaughlin, he's #68 on the above list, but in the blurb Jeff Beck is quoted as calling him "the best guitarist alive".

Oh, and at #63 I found Johnny Winter, so that finally completes my five.

Porch Dweller 04-21-2016 05:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 2084140)
Stills was outstanding, but I always felt Walsh was too restrained in the Eagles sound. Give me some James Gang though . . . :banger

It's a bummer that classic rock radio only seems to play a handful of Walsh's non-Eagles songs. He has so many great songs from his James Gang and Barnstormer days. Occasional I'll hear something like 'Meadows', 'Ashes, the Rain, and I', or 'The Bomber' on Sirius-XM Deep Tracks and it puts a smile on my face. My wife and I were in the car a few weeks ago and they played 'Meadows'. She said "This is a good song. I wonder why I've never heard it before." Exactly!

icehog3 04-21-2016 05:37 PM

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Some awesome choices up there. Couple more off the top of my head.

Richie Blackmore
Kim Thayil

The Poet 04-21-2016 05:45 PM

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James, Meadows is a nice balladish song, but not all that guitar heroic. Now THIS . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3lEqVAroX4

Oh, and is that Steve Cropper up there with Joe? Damn!

Porch Dweller 04-21-2016 06:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 2084153)
James, Meadows is a nice balladish song, but not all that guitar heroic. Now THIS . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3lEqVAroX4

Oh, and is that Steve Cropper up there with Joe? Damn!

That was cool!
Yeah, I used 'Meadows' just as an example of a great Walsh song you rarely hear. If we're going for solely "guitar heroic" I'd add 'Stop'.

Porch Dweller 04-21-2016 06:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 2084151)
Some awesome choices up there. Couple more off the top of my head.

Richie Blackmore
Kim Thayil

I don't know if Blackmore's considered underrated; maybe in the U.S. but definitely not the rest of the world. I put him up there firmly in the pantheon of Guitar Gods.
Great call on Thayil. If I made a top 10 list he'd probably make it.

The Poet 04-21-2016 06:16 PM

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Now I don't if to Stop or Walk Away. :r

Porch Dweller 04-21-2016 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 2084156)
Now I don't if to Stop or Walk Away. :r

Chose one or you might Turn to Stone. :D

icehog3 04-21-2016 07:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Porch Dweller (Post 2084155)
I don't know if Blackmore's considered underrated; maybe in the U.S. but definitely not the rest of the world. I put him up there firmly in the pantheon of Guitar Gods.

Yeah, it just seems like the younger generation doesn't recall him the way they do some of the other older greats, but I totally dig where you're coming from.

Porch Dweller 04-21-2016 07:45 PM

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Another one just popped into my head: Frank Marino.

Stogeyfish 04-21-2016 07:59 PM

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Billy Zoom

markem 04-21-2016 08:17 PM

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Don Felder, perhaps.

Chainsaw13 04-21-2016 08:28 PM

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A friend turned me on to Andy Wood. Guy can play. Another is Ian Thornely.

drjammer 04-22-2016 07:26 AM

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Roy Clark :tu

Huge fan since I first saw him on Hee-Haw :)

T.G 04-22-2016 07:51 AM

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Willie Johnson, Pat Hare and Link Wray - without these three, there wouldn't be power chords, which are a mainstay of rock & metal, and used by just about every guitarist mentioned so far.

dave 04-22-2016 08:29 AM

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Underrated by shear popularity, maybe, but truly innovative and worthy of more public awareness and/or acclaim by virtue of not just their innovation...and also for their impact:

Tom Morello
Ricky Wilson
Steve Hackett
Phil Manzanera

Yngwie Malmsteen - maybe not underrated by those that write in threads like this, but by the 'general public', perhaps

nutcracker 04-22-2016 10:59 AM

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and I forgot about Mark Knopfler

Adriftpanda 04-22-2016 12:11 PM

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Taylor Swift

AdamJoshua 04-22-2016 01:33 PM

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No love for Joe Satriani? You can't tell me he's not underrated considering most people have never heard of him.

nutcracker 04-22-2016 01:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriftpanda (Post 2084260)
Taylor Swift

Huy - you're just distracted by the looks....

icehog3 04-22-2016 02:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamJoshua (Post 2084269)
No love for Joe Satriani? You can't tell me he's not underrated considering most people have never heard of him.

Not only have I heard of him, I've seen him live. Ask Peter, he was with me. :banger

DMK 04-22-2016 06:01 PM

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Tal Wilkenfeld
Stevie Ray Vaugn

icehog3 04-22-2016 06:03 PM

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SRV is definitely great, but definitely not underrated in the U.S.

The Poet 04-22-2016 06:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 2084316)
SRV is definitely great, but definitely not underrated in the U.S.

Ah, and now we get into the question as to what one means by underrated. In that Rolling Stone list I posted, I feel Johnny Winter is underrated at #63. But I also think Duane Allman is underrated at #9. Hell, crazy as it sounds, I would not argue if someone here said Jimi Hendrix was underrated at #1, if you get what I'm saying.

kelmac07 04-22-2016 06:36 PM

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Joe Satriani
Nuno Bettencourt (Extreme)
Scotti Hill (Skid Row)
Jerry Cantrell (Alice in Chains)
Brian May (Queen)

#6 Kaki King

Porch Dweller 04-22-2016 09:21 PM

Re: Your Top Five Underrated Guitarists
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 2084322)
Ah, and now we get into the question as to what one means by underrated. In that Rolling Stone list I posted, I feel Johnny Winter is underrated at #63. But I also think Duane Allman is underrated at #9. Hell, crazy as it sounds, I would not argue if someone here said Jimi Hendrix was underrated at #1, if you get what I'm saying.

Subjectivity definitely comes in to play in what is such an opinion-based topic. Hell, some of the best guitarists in the world as far as technique, skill, speed, phrasing, etc. - and the ability to combine all of those melodically - are currently working in heavy and extreme metal and thus are not well known at all. So I could easily put out a top five "underrated" list that goes:
1) Mikael Akerfeldt
2) Jeff Waters
3) Brent Hinds
4) Corey Beaulieu
5) Alex Skolnick

And 95%+ of the people out there would be scratching their heads going "who???"

I looked at the list you linked to from RS and saw that three of my top five were considered among the top 100 (Fripp, Zappa, and Prince, IIRC). So can three guys who are thought of among the top 100 players ever really be considered "underrated" (assuming you lend any credence to RS's opinion :) )? I don't know...but it's a fun subject to discuss. And if nothing else it might turn some people on to some players they might not be familiar with.

As a side note I heard "Cowboy Song" by Thin Lizzy on the radio today and my first thought was "Scott Gorham and Brian Robertson could definitely go on that list!" Maybe "Top 5" was too limiting. :D

Porch Dweller 04-22-2016 09:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 2084323)
Joe Satriani
Nuno Bettencourt (Extreme)
Scotti Hill (Skid Row)
Jerry Cantrell (Alice in Chains)
Brian May (Queen)

#6 Kaki King

Mac, good call on Brian May. He's up there in my top five list of "Greatest Guitar Tone Ever", which is as follows:
1) David Gilmour
2) Dimebag Darrell
3) Brian May
4) Eric Johnson
5) Billy Gibbons

Uh oh...that's two minutes for threadjacking my own thread. :D

Gabe215 04-22-2016 09:31 PM

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Kirk Hammet
Alex Lifeson

icehog3 04-22-2016 11:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 2084322)
I would not argue if someone here said Jimi Hendrix was underrated at #1, if you get what I'm saying.

I do, and that frightens me. :D

The Poet 04-23-2016 08:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 2084350)
I do, and that frightens me. :D

With good reason. Just imagine how scared I am, living in this head.

smokin5 04-23-2016 08:46 AM

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So underrated that no one has mentioned him yet,
but you old farts will all nod your heads when I say it:

Michael Bloomfield

He would have been greater than Clapton if he had just kicked the heroin.

And don't forget Roy Buchanan, Larry Carlton, Larry Coryell & Jan Akkerman.
And as a bonus #6 - Leslie West

The Poet 04-23-2016 08:55 AM

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As for the validity, or lack of same, of that Rolling Stone list, one must first begin by accepting the difficulty (if not impossibility) of comprising such a subjective ranking with the appearance of objectivity. That being said, we could all partly agree and largely disagree with it. Jimi first? If not a given, at least hard to dispute. Clapton two? OK, hard to argue, though if you listen to Key To The Highway off the Layla album you'd hear he's the second-best guitarist of that song. Jeff Beck at five? Ehh, pne could quibble, but that's about right, even though it is one spot below Keith Richards. But Pete Townshend at ten and Freddy King at fifteen, while Johnny Winter and John McLaughlin are buried in the sixties? I saw all four of those guys live, and that's just dumb. No offense to Pete or Freddy, as the one was better than often given credit and the other is too sadly ignored by most. Still, I'd put the the two Johns above both of them, not fifty spots below.

Yet here is where the subjective clashes with the objective. I like what and whom I like, as do you.

The Poet 04-23-2016 09:03 AM

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Bloomfield and Buchanan are good calls, as would be Richard Thompson.

My problem with Leslie West is a subjective one, and Jack Bruce is to blame. When promoting the first West, Bruce & Laing album, Bruce said West was "the best guitarist I ever played with." Oh really? :r

Weelok 04-23-2016 02:56 PM

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Some fantastic guitarists above but even Rolling Stone missed these:

Steve Vai - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f8h...ature=youtu.be
Chriss Oliva (Savatage) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-xB6Z1Gv2Y
Glenn Tipton (Judas Priest) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l0BLog1rQY
Chris deGarmo (Queensryche) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drxkr5bZanY
Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden and his own band) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzrzSOCAjek

Weelok 04-23-2016 03:13 PM

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I can't help myself, had to add Don Dokken

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...4B&FORM=VRDGAR


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