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Brian D. 12-26-2013 05:38 PM

Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
It just sounds too metro or wussified. Unless it was to buy something sexy for a woman, I've never set foot inside a dang boutique. How about 'small batch' or 'craft' instead? Those work well for beer and bourbon.

RWhisenand 12-26-2013 05:40 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
I guess I've never heard that term before. Not saying much I'm out of touch on a lot of subjects!

8zeros 12-26-2013 05:53 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
Fine by me...consider it ditched.

kelmac07 12-26-2013 05:56 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
I really don't have an issue with the term "boutique". :2

EricF 12-26-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1914526)
I really don't have an issue with the term "boutique". :2

Coming from someone who wears a SKIRT!!! :D

Remo 12-26-2013 06:22 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
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Originally Posted by 8zeros (Post 1914523)
Fine by me...consider it ditched.

Well, that was easy! What's next...world peace :sh

Remo 12-26-2013 06:23 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
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Originally Posted by EricF (Post 1914546)
Coming from someone who wears a SKIRT!!! :D

If we got rid of Boutique's where would Mac accessorize? :lr

EricF 12-26-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1914549)
If we got rid of Boutique's where would Mac accessorize? :lr

Exactly!!! :su

icehog3 12-26-2013 06:26 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
How do we communicate this decision to the cigar community, which has been using the term for decades?

Remo 12-26-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1914552)
How do we communicate this decision to the cigar community, which has been using the term for decades?

Get on the Hotline Tom and let them know :tu

icehog3 12-26-2013 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1914560)
Get on the Hotline Tom and let them know :tu

My standing isn't quite that high, get Pete Johnson or Steve Saka on the horn. ;)

Remo 12-26-2013 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1914561)
My standing isn't quite that high, get Pete Johnson or Steve Saka on the horn. ;)

John Drew is a member here, I will PM him and it should be done :tu

CigarNut 12-26-2013 07:02 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
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Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1914526)
I really don't have an issue with the term "boutique". :2

I agree with Mac, and everyone already knows what the term means...

Porch Dweller 12-26-2013 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1914552)
How do we communicate this decision to the cigar community, which has been using the term for decades?

Strippergrams would probably get the message across most effectively.

icehog3 12-26-2013 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Porch Dweller (Post 1914580)
Strippergrams would probably get the message across most effectively.

Winnah! :wnr

hotreds 12-26-2013 08:20 PM

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Apparently not.

Robulous78 12-26-2013 08:50 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
Hmm... always did think the term was saved for those cigars that ya smoke with a pinkie in the air... I vote for the "small-batch / Craft" monicker...

maninblack 12-26-2013 08:55 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
I tend to call most of them overhyped versus boutique. Example.....viaje

Ogre 12-26-2013 08:58 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1914526)
I really don't have an issue with the term "boutique". :2

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricF (Post 1914546)
Coming from someone who wears a SKIRT!!! :D

And plays with doilies!!!

As for the OP: I agree, drop the term

Simple1 12-26-2013 08:59 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
Small batch works for me!

8zeros 12-26-2013 09:00 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
Boutique strippergrams I could accept.
Boutique should mean they're from a smoke shop, I think, like Illusione or Cuban Crafters or Taboo (a little shop in the Dallas/Fort Worth area). Not just something from a small manufacturer. I just guess the small breweries said "I'm not calling myself a boutique, are you?". And craft beers were born.

ky70 12-27-2013 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1914552)
How do we communicate this decision to the cigar community, which has been using the term for decades?

Well said.

Conch Republican 12-27-2013 06:29 AM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
My 2 cents (which ain't worth even that) is that boutique is an accurate term. To me the making of cigars is a craft or an art. And small batch is what everything starts out as...and if the demand is there...it doesn't stay small batch for long. I realize a lot of that has to do with marketing, but boutique is exactly what's out there. Limited runs or blends for specific retailers, as well as events, etc

T.G 12-27-2013 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 8zeros (Post 1914646)
Boutique strippergrams I could accept.
Boutique should mean they're from a smoke shop, I think, like Illusione or Cuban Crafters or Taboo (a little shop in the Dallas/Fort Worth area). Not just something from a small manufacturer. I just guess the small breweries said "I'm not calling myself a boutique, are you?". And craft beers were born.


If you go with that description, then CI, JR, Famous and Holts own a few hundred boutique brands each, a notable portion of which have huge production numbers, much higher than the numbers of the ones you mentioned.

8zeros 12-27-2013 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1914739)
If you go with that description, then CI, JR, Famous and Holts own a few hundred boutique brands each, a notable portion of which have huge production numbers, much higher than the numbers of the ones you mentioned.

Yep. Exactly. I thought of that after but couldn't remember any names. Produced for the store under their name, not necessarily by them. Could be from the biggest major manufacturer and still be a boutique brand. That's why the term is misleading, or not, if that's what you expect. It seems nowadays words only mean what you expect them to mean. I think I could write the next sentence and step on about three of the DO NOTs in the forum rules, words that don't mean their definitions. :D Could start a whole thread about that.:r

T.G 12-27-2013 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 8zeros (Post 1914755)
Yep. Exactly. I thought of that after but couldn't remember any names. Produced for the store under their name, not necessarily by them. Could be from the biggest major manufacturer and still be a boutique brand. That's why the term is misleading, or not, if that's what you expect. It seems nowadays words only mean what you expect them to mean. I think I could write the next sentence and step on about three of the DO NOTs in the forum rules, words that don't mean their definitions. :D Could start a whole thread about that.:r

Not sure what purpose redefining the commonly accepted definition of boutique in terms of cigars in that fasion would gain you besides making the term utterly worthless.

tsolomon 12-27-2013 08:49 AM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
If the definition fits, why stop using it?

boutique [buːˈtiːk]
n

2. (Business / Commerce) (modifier) of or denoting a small specialized producer or business, a boutique operation a boutique winery

8zeros 12-27-2013 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tsolomon (Post 1914761)
If the definition fits, why stop using it?

boutique [buːˈtiːk]
n

2. (Business / Commerce) (modifier) of or denoting a small specialized producer or business, a boutique operation a boutique winery

The definition I was referring to is included in "boutique operation", which could be a sub-department of a large operation, usually some fashionable home brand.

I usually associate the word with fashion, I must say I don't care much for fashion. The small shop definition absolutely applies, in most cases. What if General Cigar is just rebranding some major production cigar for someone? How would you know? Don't take the GenCig reference literally, please, I don't even know if they do that, just the only big cigar company I could think of.

ky70 12-27-2013 10:52 AM

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All I know is I love me some boutique ceegars!

markem 12-27-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian D. (Post 1914516)
It just sounds too metro or wussified.

Then don't smoke them.

If you want to smoke them and the word "boutique" is associated with the cigars then remember that it doesn't apply to you and in no way jeopardizes your masculinity. I'm safe in mine and don't think that some word associated with a cigar could in any way threaten who I am.

The Poet 12-27-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1914552)
How do we communicate this decision to the cigar community, which has been using the term for decades?

Immediately after 9/11, I proposed on another cigar board that we find a substitution for the oft-used term "bomb" to refer to gifting others with cigars. You can imagine with what disinterest my proposal was received.

I consider language to be a living entity which evolves naturally. As with morality, it seems bootless to "legislate" it.

No offense intended, just :2, and worth every penny.

czerbe 12-27-2013 12:24 PM

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Boutique works for me

hotreds 12-27-2013 12:56 PM

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http://www.newhavanacigars.com/v/vsp...-angle-500.jpg

bruceolee 12-27-2013 01:00 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
Small batch or Limited edition sounds good to me but would most likely raise prices

the jiggler 12-27-2013 01:22 PM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
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Originally Posted by maninblack (Post 1914637)
I tend to call most of them overhyped versus boutique. Example.....viaje

Blasphemy!

688sonarmen 12-27-2013 06:53 PM

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Don Fernando 12-27-2013 10:30 PM

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I find this topic to be a bit boutique

Weelok 12-28-2013 12:19 AM

Re: Can we ditch the term 'boutique cigars'?
 
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Originally Posted by bruceolee (Post 1914917)
Small batch or Limited edition sounds good to me but would most likely raise prices

I agree. My thoughts are is the term boutique is mostly used by distributors to market a cigar and is heavily over used by CI, Holts, etc. whatever works to sell its I guess but I am Leary of any cigar claiming boutique as I guess I feel it's generally over reaching or I am just at saturation on the label. Sounds like perhaps I am not alone haha


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