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After 40-years of drooling I finally gommed on to a (1897) 911 Carrera targa. I love my bikes but, if you gotta have a cage, this IS the one. The 3.2l normally aspirated Carrera has been my daily driver for the past year. Barely good for 165mph andby todays standards nearly sluggish with 0-60 in six, this almost-antique still runs respectably through the corners and, at cruise, posts 27mpg.

"Oak Tree" turn at Virginia International Raceway; Porsche Parade Lap before the American LeMans Series race.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z...2520Parade.png

I've never enjoyed a car more than this one. If you have the itch my advice is, "Don't wait 'til you're 60 to scratch it." :D

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...520Carrera.jpg

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Awesome ride Dan :)

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Color me green with envy.

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Wow, sweet ride. All I can find around here is the 944 or 911s with no motors.

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Awesome ride you have there Dan.

PS: That car is in great shape for being a 115-year old car. ;)

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Great looking car.....

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Looks like u had a ball on the track.

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Congrats, Dan! :D

Adam, be serious, it was obviously a typo. That is a 1942 Porsche. ;)

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Wow, nice ride you have there!! As crazy as it sounds my dream vehicle is an old 60's pickup truck........one of these days.

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Yo! Mod! Help me out with an edit, wouldja?

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OK - I had to drive to Georgia to get mine but, still, lots are listed here: http://www.pelicanparts.com/index.htm

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Nice ride, those were some of the nicest looking short hoods ever.

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Congrats. Looks like a sweet ride. After many years of thinking I'd never get mine I finally was able to get a 2007 corvette. Just a great feeling to get behind the wheel of a great car. Find some open road and let it loose. Enjoy

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Great looking pictures of your Carrera. I love the script along the rocker panel.

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Meh. I prefer my baby. 328 hp, Monaco red seats, and Japanese reliability. When that thing goes tits up (and it will, it's German) bust open the wallet.

Of course, my opinion is MY opinion, and worth just about :2.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...0stuff/005.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...0stuff/003.jpg

New (much lighter) wheels.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...p/007Large.jpg

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Lets leave the tits behind and go right to nuts and bolts. Supercar engines don't come cheap - nifty alloys, insane tolerances, Fuchs wheels and titanium lugnuts all come at a price. And, like anything else over a 40-year run, there are 911's and then there are 911's; some models had problems built in, most not. Within the daily-driving community mechanically informed owners see engines go 300K or more between top end jobs. Double galvanized air-cooled Carreras with Getrag tranny (1984-1989 air/oil cooled 3.2l) are justifiably legendary for solid coachwork, tough engines, bulletproof clutches and magnificent transmissions.

The typical ways to break these older motors are: let them sit undriven in the mistaken belief they're sacred; failure to drive a warmed engine regularly to redline; repeated failure to achieve required operating temperatures before exceeding 3500rpm; and failure to use oil with high levels of zinc and phosphorus additives. The last three items, often ignored by uninformed owners, are killers on valves and valve guides. 14-quarts of 20W-50 in these so-called "air" cooled engines demands at least 15 minutes of low rev driving to protect the tolerances that squeeze big horsepower out of small, lightweight displacement - this is a long wait for a nincompoop. While the reliability of the mills is solid with owners who read the book, a lot of morons will drive the engines to a costly and premature failure. I don't see Porsche failures because they're German but, rather, because owners fail to know their vehicle.

When rebuild time comes around there is good new$ and bad new$ for old Porsche owners.

The bad news - sexy alloy parts are not especially cheap. And if you are going to hire Werner over at Das Porsche Haus (or worse yet a dealer) to do the 15,000 mile tuneup it turns into a $1000 WTF deal. :sl

The good news - those sexy alloy parts don't often fail. Older air-cooled cars were made simply for regular spirited driving on no-limit highways, unimproved roads and track. They allow for a car owner/hobbiest to drop and engine and rebuild without need of a lift. The old fuel-injected air-cooled flat sixes are easy to repair with little more than standard tools, a couple of jackstands and a floor jack.

If a prospective buyer reads the owners manual and enjoys automotive hobbycraft I'd say the scare value of engine work (or recurrent engine failure) is as legend as it is wrong. A once per 15,000 major tune is a six-hour job that costs a couple of hundred bucks if you do it yourself.

The older Porsche is reliable and, wisely owned, not especially expensive. And unlike the new rice burners that easily outrun the older 911's, their value continues to increase.

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Not to flog and dead horse but I just stumbled on this - excellent validation of the above post.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...NEWS/121009989

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There are issues with 996's and early 997's with RMS and half shafts, but that's all I ever really read about as major issues on 911's.

What you said is pretty much true with all cars known to be a problem. Non-regularly driven cars and ones not driven to red line are not usually good long term runners. Sports cars are meant to be driven.

It was never Ferrari or Porsche idea to make garage queens.

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Beautiful car! Congratulations! :tu

I had an '86 Targa for many years...daily driver and Driver's Ed car. You can have a blast racing the car on the track over the weekend and then drive to work on Monday. Easily one of the best cars I've ever owned. A true classic.

Loved the rumble of that air cooled exhaust note...amazing handling...and immediate heat (no need to wait for antifreeze to warm up). Enjoy your classic, my friend!

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Moo, your Porsche is beautiful. Ive always wanted an older 911, and I know a few people who are early 911 enthusiasts. There is nothing like driving an older air-cooled Porsche.

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Pipes and cars. I am impressed. FOG.

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don't know if this would be the place but, for you guys who like engine p*rn, here's the 76 Datsun 620 broke down in the rebuilding stage, were it still is. over thirty is classic right? and a weber carb makes it a muscle right, right?:sh
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8202/8...80a78c460d.jpg

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Twenty years is classic. 25 years + is antique.

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/1360/dscn0558sq.jpg

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... and there is alway the guy who comes along to rain on somebodys parade. :tu

Did you really just compare a glorified nissan to a porsche?:sl

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This is the place! Keep updating your progress; we'd love to see your work turning scars into stars.

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In all fairness, the "glorified Nissan" with red seats and spindly wheels (along with any number of Subarus or Hyundais) will probably outrun my antique.

Old, slow and heavy as it is in stock condition (barely knocking off zero-60 in six and hardly able to get out of its own way enroute to 163mph) I still look back at least once each time I park it. In spite of what I do the resale value continues to rise. And in spite of what others think, a good example from the era is vastly overbuilt and very hard to break.

I don't know who fixes modern rice burners but my daughter and I can tune a 911, drop an engine, strip an exhaust or knock out a valve lash adjustment in a few hours. And she works cheaper than the dealership!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z...0/P1020116.JPG

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"fast acceleration" still doesn't make it a sports car, muscle car, or custom :D


Love your Porsche! Maybe someday, many years down the road, for me...
In the meantime I love my 98 BMW M Roadster - at least during the summer ;)
No pics. It's black. Use your imagination / google.


I can handle some of the ricers for you and then we can have a cigar.

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Is that a sandblaster in the background?

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Im with you. My '05 M3 hasn't been driven in some time but were restoring back to original in preparation to ship it to Thailand.
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...r/1024x768.jpg

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Comparing new technology to old technology is an apples to orange comparison.
So many cars have 300+ hp these days, that alone does not make it a sports car, let alone an iconic one at that.

20 years from now, the Porsche will still be a highly sought after collectible. That Infiniti (and 99% of all cars for that matter) will probably be driven by a high school kid who saved his paper route money and bought his first car.

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sweet e46 bro

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thank you. It was fun when it was all dolled up. 15" Brembos, full adjustable suspension, 4.10 diff, cams, software, Ti exhaust, etc.

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It was until the lexan screen got smashed. Now it's a big red box.

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Word. Mrs. Moo's Jeep runs a 330hp hemi. Not sure what I'd call it but sports- or muscle car do not come to mind.

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Have you shipped cars there before? Is it already owned by a Thai as personal property in USA. I have done car exports to Switzerland a few times, so just curious. How is the homologation process go in Thailand? I thought they were RHD?

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Nope, I have never shipped a vehicle to Thailand before. Being that my wife is a Thai citizen I dont think it makes a difference on that import duty & taxation. I hear its high if the vehicle is under 10 years old. But, alas like many things, my wife tells me it largely depends on "who" you know. She has some connections there that I dont question. Like how in the hell she got her replacement birth certificate 3 days after she made the request (That includes transit time).

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I know many who imported fancy cars to Indonesia as college students. They'd buy the car as soon as they get here and bring it back with them as personal property on their move back. Usually new Mercedes.

I hope it works out well for you. I know taxes in that region can be 100%, but it sounds like your wife knows the right people. Would love to hear how it all plays out.

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http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ngs/image.jpeg

Here is my 68...that I no longer have :(

My next project will be a 67 GTO or a 73 Charger

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Sweet! Do the Goat.

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In to the paint shop in March:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q...151716_059.jpg

Over to wet sanding:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3...ked%252001.jpg

...and across to the Outer Banks three weeks later:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e...401_202525.JPG

Previous owner(s) in Texas and Oklahoma buffed and burned, right down to primer in some places. Too bad the original paint wasn't salvageable. Oh well - it's a clearcoated piece of steel now. Huge improvement.

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Like Carrera rocker script. Very classic

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I was doing my best to get it looking like a 1960's era slot car. :D

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Nice ride, here are a couple pics of my 911:
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/p...IMG_1718-1.jpg


In the garage with our departed Boxster:

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/p...T/IMG_1714.jpg

My current track car, a NA 944

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/p...G_2073-1-1.jpg

What you stated earlier about properly driving your Porsche is right on, these were not meant to be babied, every car pictured have seen track time, the 944 of course sees the most.

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Nice! Would you describe the C2 driving characteristics and experience?

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The 964, 911 C2 is very planted in corners in comparison to the earlier 911's. there is still a good bit of 'lift off oversteer' compared to other cars, but not having the torsion bar suspension helps. Of course you already know that the flat 6 makes most of its usable power over 5000 rpm, as a result this car is not fast off the line, but very quick from 70 mph to 100 mph. IMHO, the 3.6 L was the best of the air cooled engines, but your 3.2 L ( I assume) is bulletproof too.

Next year this car will be getting a new suspension, I'm looking at either the Bilstiens with H&R springs, or a whole set of coil overs. Not that this car has a bad suspension, but it is over 20 years old.

In general I love driving this car, it's been tracked a number of times, but not since I picked up the 944. That is a Spec racer though, and a dedicated track car. I might be tempted to enter the 911 in an AX or two though!

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Love the 964! Probably the best all-around 911. What model year? Yours came with ABS?

Yes, the 3.2l engine is pretty much unbreakable as long as it gets warmed up, lit up, tuned up and proper oil grade. Daily drivers show 300k miles between rebuilds.

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Ours is a 1991. While I really like our 964, I certainly wouldn't mind a 993! Almost the same car as the 964, but with the laid down head lights. I do however like the classic look of the upright head lights too.

BTW, did you notice the license plate? That is completely coincidental.

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my track only car.... freshly finished

Wheels are 18x11.5 +4 our back (6 inch lips)

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started as....
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4-Wide drag racing in Charlotte last Sunday. O.... M..... G..... turn your sound all the way up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf14jDEuhlo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxUf_D4D4zA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHC3SvpOONo

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almost time to pull the roadster out of the garage. no mud season to speak of this year.