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mase 03-06-2012 08:20 PM

Colts to Release Peyton Manning
 
Peyton gone...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76...ning-wednesday

E.J. 03-06-2012 08:32 PM

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I'm pretty interested to see if he can go to Minny or Miami and make some noise...

Really wish Denver could make something work to bring him in....

E.J. 03-06-2012 08:37 PM

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I should add, I hope wherever PM goes, that he is successful & healthy....

mase 03-06-2012 08:38 PM

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It will be really weird to see him in another jersey. As you said, I hope he returns when ready and healthy.

ChicagoWhiteSox 03-06-2012 08:42 PM

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Welcome to the Windy City Manning. Jay can be a backup
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jsnake 03-06-2012 08:50 PM

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Kansas City is going to snag him first........ I hope.

elderboy02 03-06-2012 09:24 PM

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I am not surprised. Andrew Luck will be much cheaper.

irratebass 03-07-2012 03:51 AM

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I had seen a few weeks ago someone from Dallas tweeted that he was going there, but no confirmation....we shall see.

Taki 03-07-2012 05:36 AM

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Its a shame though to see him go!!! I think it will be Miami..he already has a house there and they are in desperate need of a QB

Blak Smyth 03-07-2012 06:12 AM

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Payton I respect, his little brother, not so much.
I think if you put Payton behind a good O-line he will continue to produce.
Good luck to Payton, I admire his class!

Islayphile 03-07-2012 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Taki (Post 1584156)
Its a shame though to see him go!!! I think it will be Miami..he already has a house there and they are in desperate need of a QB

I agree

The Dolphins were in all of those games that they lost the 1st half of last year and having Manning may just be enough to push them over the edge to contend for a Wild Card birth in the AFC East.

kelmac07 03-07-2012 06:50 AM

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I see the Jets making a push for him. Sanchez isn't the man in NY.

Stephen 03-07-2012 07:08 AM

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I don't know why, but it annoys me how big of a deal ESPN is making this. It's not like the writing wasn't already on the wall. Further, outside of a select few (Dan Marino, Walter Payon, and Barry Sanders come to mind) the all-time greats don't start and finish their professional football career with the same team.

Remo 03-07-2012 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1584217)
I see the Jets making a push for him. Sanchez isn't the man in NY.

Let's hope not, that is a sinking ship and I would hate to see him end a great career on that ship!

MikeyC 03-07-2012 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1584229)
I don't know why, but it annoys me how big of a deal ESPN is making this. It's not like the writing wasn't already on the wall. Further, outside of a select few (Dan Marino, Walter Payon, and Barry Sanders come to mind) the all-time greats don't start and finish their professional football career with the same team.

:tpd:

I think we all saw this coming and unfortunately few players in this day and age of free agency and salary cap start and finish their career on the same team. I didn't believe for a second the initial reports that said the Colts would keep Manning and Luck on the roster for a year or two.

I think Peyton is a GIANT question mark right now. How healthy is he really? Is he going to get any healthier with time? How injury prone is he at this point in his career? I think he'll land somewhere and get a contract HEAVY with incentives and a smaller than he's used to base salary. I'd be shocked if he came back the same player he was in the past but he'll probably still be a decent QB and better than some options teams currently have on their rosters.

Stephen 03-07-2012 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by E.J. (Post 1583926)
I'm pretty interested to see if he can go to Minny or Miami and make some noise...

Really wish Denver could make something work to bring him in....

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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox (Post 1583939)
Welcome to the Windy City Manning. Jay can be a backup
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Originally Posted by jsnake (Post 1583947)
Kansas City is going to snag him first........ I hope.

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Originally Posted by irratebass (Post 1584114)
I had seen a few weeks ago someone from Dallas tweeted that he was going there, but no confirmation....we shall see.

Two dark horses not yet mentioned:
Arizona - playing with the best wide receiver in football with your home games in a controlled environment? Would also give the team a much needed identity it currently lacks.

Seattle - Would've made the playoffs last year if there had been a competent quarterback under center. Seattle is young; this would buy them a couple of years to find a future signal caller while still remaining competitive.

To me, either Miami/Kansas City/Arizona make the most sense.

smitty81 03-07-2012 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1583969)
I am not surprised. Andrew Luck will be much cheaper.

Hopefully Luck dosn't turn into another Ryan Leaf. I'm kind of suprised to see the Colts letting Manning go but at the same time I guess I'm not. I can see how Manning is getting old and they don't want to take the risk on him.

I also see Manning as still being able to perform as long as his surgery went good and such. I believe he still has 3-5 years left in him.

I think some team will really be blessed with his knowledge of the game. Manning IMOP is the most knowledgable NFL QB out there.

Hopefully he stays in his confrence so he can play against the colts, It will be fun to watch him play.

shilala 03-07-2012 07:39 AM

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I'm with Stephen on all points. The writing was on the wall for this one. I think the Colts have a long struggle ahead without Peyton in the organization, but that's another thread.
I understand Miami is in the mix according to the Miami Herald and the billboards they've posted around town. There's two websites devoted to trying to bring Peyton to Miami.
I just do not see him there, regardless of the fit. Flynn makes a lot more sense for a lot less money.
I think Arizona makes the most sense, and if I was betting, that's where my money would be. It gets Peyton out of the cold and into a place that's done this sort of thing before with Kurt Warner. They know how to make it all work.
I have no idea where any of these teams are financially, or if any of them can come at Peyton with anywhere near 28 million, but we'll see. I'd like to take a look at the cap room for each team and see what other constructive ways they can defer money to make the best possible guess, but from a guy who's got a backful of metal, I can positively say that that high pressure desert is gonna feel good on Peyton's multiple surgeries. That environment is going to be a huge sell for an old, cobbed up man. :tu

kelmac07 03-07-2012 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty81 (Post 1584260)
Hopefully Luck dosn't turn into another Ryan Leaf. I'm kind of suprised to see the Colts letting Manning go but at the same time I guess I'm not. I can see how Manning is getting old and they don't want to take the risk on him.

The Colts had 28 million reasons to let him go. I truly believe this was ALL about the all mighty dollar.

smitty81 03-07-2012 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1584268)
The Colts had 28 million reasons to let him go. I truly believe this was ALL about the all mighty dollar.

Oh I'm sure it was. Too bad they couldn't have signed him back for at least a year or two year to play/coach luck. I don't see payton taking the backseat to anyone though no matter how bad he plays.

I truley think if he dosn't start some where, He will just retire. He will make a damn fine QB coach for someone though.

shilala 03-07-2012 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1584268)
The Colts had 28 million reasons to let him go. I truly believe this was ALL about the all mighty dollar.

Dollars had a lot to do with it, Mac. The Colts absolutely suck. They need the money to rebuild.
They have to weigh the opportunity to build with Luck and put a team around him against a few years with Peyton and no team around him. The latter has worked for a lot of years, but Peyton was in good shape. Now he's a big gamble at best.
I think we'll find that Peyton doesn't have a problem with this move. He's done anything he can to protect that organization from his failing health, up to and including rewriting his contract so that the Colts didn't have to pay him the last 8 million they paid him while he was broke down.
I truly believe Peyton and Jim Irsay made this decision together,m and that Peyton will be a part of the Colts organization for a long, long time once he's done with this "play for another team" thing. I don't think it's going to go well, either. Peyton is way too screwed up.
Ultimately he's going to be a lot more valuable for his head than he is for his body if he can avoid ending up in a wheelchair.

jonumberone 03-07-2012 08:01 AM

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I don't think Peyton will play for a cold weather team.
Being a dome QB for his career and with his neck injury, it just makes sense.
If he does play for a cold weather team, it will be for the Skins. Why?
For the $, of course.
And who is foolish enough to overpay for a 36yr old, injured QB?
Dan Snyder!
I'm willing to bet he's had an erection since he found out Peyton was being released!

Stephen 03-07-2012 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty81 (Post 1584286)
Oh I'm sure it was. Too bad they couldn't have signed him back for at least a year or two year to play/coach luck. I don't see payton taking the backseat to anyone though no matter how bad he plays.

He was under contract. The problem was that he was due a $28 million roster bonus (tomorrow I think). He had already said that he was not renegotiating his contract.
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Originally Posted by smitty81 (Post 1584286)
I truley think if he dosn't start some where, He will just retire. He will make a damn fine QB coach for someone though.

If (and that's still a big if) he can pass a physical and show that he can competently throw the football, he won't have any trouble finding a starting gig.

Stephen 03-07-2012 08:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1584300)
I don't think Peyton will play for a cold weather team.
Being a dome QB for his career and with his neck injury, it just makes sense.
If he does play for a cold weather team, it will be for the Skins. Why?
For the $, of course.
And who is foolish enough to overpay for a 36yr old, injured QB?
Dan Snyder!
I'm willing to bet he's had an erection since he found out Peyton was being released!

I see the Redskins making a move for RGIII.:2

smitty81 03-07-2012 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1584264)
I'm with Stephen on all points. The writing was on the wall for this one. I think the Colts have a long struggle ahead without Peyton in the organization, but that's another thread.
I understand Miami is in the mix according to the Miami Herald and the billboards they've posted around town. There's two websites devoted to trying to bring Peyton to Miami.
I just do not see him there, regardless of the fit. Flynn makes a lot more sense for a lot less money.
I think Arizona makes the most sense, and if I was betting, that's where my money would be. It gets Peyton out of the cold and into a place that's done this sort of thing before with Kurt Warner. They know how to make it all work.
I have no idea where any of these teams are financially, or if any of them can come at Peyton with anywhere near 28 million, but we'll see. I'd like to take a look at the cap room for each team and see what other constructive ways they can defer money to make the best possible guess, but from a guy who's got a backful of metal, I can positively say that that high pressure desert is gonna feel good on Peyton's multiple surgeries. That environment is going to be a huge sell for an old, cobbed up man. :tu

The thing is though, He is a risk and he knows it. I think he will take a lot less to play than what the Colts were paying him healthy. I think he will take the money because he wants to play and he knows that no one is going to fork out that kind of cash on a QB that just went through what he did. Hell, no one has seen him actually even play yet.:2

ChicagoWhiteSox 03-07-2012 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty81 (Post 1584286)
Oh I'm sure it was. Too bad they couldn't have signed him back for at least a year or two year to play/coach luck. I don't see payton taking the backseat to anyone though no matter how bad he plays.

I truley think if he dosn't start some where, He will just retire. He will make a damn fine QB coach for someone though.

What makes you think Peyton Manning can coach so well for?

smitty81 03-07-2012 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox (Post 1584321)
What makes you think Peyton Manning can coach so well for?

Anyone that has been around that long, knows the game and his position that well should be able to teach a few things to the new guys.

I know that not everyone can coach just because they can play well but I truely believe that he would be a great QB coach.

He has such a great understanding of the game and such. :2

Stephen 03-07-2012 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty81 (Post 1584327)
Anyone that has been around that long, knows the game and his position that well should be able to teach a few things to the new guys.

I know that not everyone can coach just because they can play well but I truely believe that he would be a great coach.

He has such a great understanding of the game and such. :2

Actually, rare is the superstar player that makes a good coach in ANY sport.

shilala 03-07-2012 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1584334)
Actually, rare is the superstar player that makes a good coach in ANY sport.

Peyton's understanding of defenses and offense, and his ability to see things and call the perfect play time and again does give him an edge. The way he leads his team, another edge.
His personality, another edge.
I agree with you, but I've long thought that if a guy can make the transition, he's one that can. I think he'd make a better fit as a head coach than an offensive or quarterback coach. Quarterback coach being the least likely.
He's got enough experience in running a good part of that club, and his close ties with ownership and upper management really give him a leg up if anyone has one.
I have no idea if it's something he even wants to do, it's just a sneaking suspicion. I can see him in that role, I guess. I'd far rather see him in the booth. This season. But that's just cause I'm selfish. :D

Stephen 03-07-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1584344)
Peyton's understanding of defenses and offense, and his ability to see things and call the perfect play time and again does give him an edge. The way he leads his team, another edge.
His personality, another edge.
I agree with you, but I've long thought that if a guy can make the transition, he's one that can. I think he'd make a better fit as a head coach than an offensive or quarterback coach. Quarterback coach being the least likely.
He's got enough experience in running a good part of that club, and his close ties with ownership and upper management really give him a leg up if anyone has one.
I have no idea if it's something he even wants to do, it's just a sneaking suspicion. I can see him in that role, I guess. I'd far rather see him in the booth. This season. But that's just cause I'm selfish. :D

Samurai Mike says hi. Also, I think it'd get incredibly old incredibly fast of him blaming everyone else for when things go wrong (although admittedly he'd gotten better at this the past couple of seasons).

ChicagoWhiteSox 03-07-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty81 (Post 1584327)
Anyone that has been around that long, knows the game and his position that well should be able to teach a few things to the new guys.

I know that not everyone can coach just because they can play well but I truely believe that he would be a great QB coach.

He has such a great understanding of the game and such. :2

In my opinion, Peyton just comes off with a large ego. Hard to blame him with his talents. But I don't see him being a good coach. He just doesn't seem humble enough or down to earth.

smitty81 03-07-2012 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox (Post 1584353)
In my opinion, Peyton just comes off with a large ego. Hard to blame him with his talents. But I don't see him being a good coach. He just doesn't seem humble enough or down to earth.

What does that matter as long as you know your crap and can teach it.

goomer 03-07-2012 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty81 (Post 1584356)
What does that matter as long as you know your crap and can teach it.

Part of teaching it is having people listen. I've seen very knowledgable people make horrible teachers because no one will listen to them due to personality issues.

ChicagoWhiteSox 03-07-2012 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty81 (Post 1584356)
What does that matter as long as you know your crap and can teach it.

You don't think that kind of stuff matters in coaching? Being a humble person and not letting your damn ego get in the way plays a big role in coaching. Understanding your players and relating to them on their level is important in coaching, no?

smitty81 03-07-2012 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox (Post 1584364)
You don't think that kind of stuff matters in coaching? Being a humble person and not letting your damn ego get in the way plays a big role in coaching. Understanding your players and relating to them on their level is important in coaching, no?

yes, it is a part of coaching.

There is a handful of GREAT coaches that also have a high ego and are hard to play for..........seems they are doing great.

ChicagoWhiteSox 03-07-2012 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty81 (Post 1584356)
What does that matter as long as you know your crap and can teach it.

So it does matter then;)

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Originally Posted by smitty81 (Post 1584365)
yes, it is a part of coaching.

There is a handful of GREAT coaches that also have a high ego and are hard to play for..........seems they are doing great.


chippewastud79 03-07-2012 09:22 AM

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Most great coaches weren't good players, and even more of them never played at the highest level. I don't forsee Peyton with a headset on, he is more likely to end up in a front office than on the sideline. :2

mosesbotbol 03-07-2012 09:25 AM

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He should go where ever Randy Moss lands.

Neuromancer 03-07-2012 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by E.J. (Post 1583926)
I'm pretty interested to see if he can go to Minny or Miami and make some noise...

Really wish Denver could make something work to bring him in....

MIAMI!!!

Fingers-crossed...

IndyRob 03-07-2012 09:36 AM

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It will be a different town without him, that is for sure. We're going to miss Peyton Manning on and off the field. He did a lot for Indianapolis, but at the end of the day... We have to think about our team's future, and freeing up that amount of money can really bring in some fresh new talent.

shilala 03-07-2012 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyRob (Post 1584388)
It will be a different town without him, that is for sure. We're going to miss Peyton Manning on and off the field. He did a lot for Indianapolis, but at the end of the day... We have to think about our team's future, and freeing up that amount of money can really bring in some fresh new talent.

Indianapolis won the qb lottery twice in a row now. Someone's looking out for them, that's for sure. They really need to learn how to build a team now. It'll sure help if they're gonna contend.
I think Luck will be huge, but I don't think he's a one-man team like Peyton, or at least an impact player like him. That remains to be seen, though.

Stephen 03-07-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1584393)
Indianapolis won the qb lottery twice in a row now. Someone's looking out for them, that's for sure.

...And drafted John Elway, Bert Jones, and picked up Johnny U up off the scrapheap after the Steelers cut him during training camp. Ridiculous. Just plain ridiculous.

dave 03-07-2012 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1584300)
I don't think Peyton will play for a cold weather team.
Being a dome QB for his career and with his neck injury, it just makes sense.
If he does play for a cold weather team, it will be for the Skins. Why?
For the $, of course.
And who is foolish enough to overpay for a 36yr old, injured QB?
Dan Snyder!
I'm willing to bet he's had an erection since he found out Peyton was being released!

Even Snyder doesn't have enough money to bring Peyton to same division as Eli.
Put your money on an AFC team. And not NY or Denver. I'd say Miami or KC.

BeerAdvocate 03-07-2012 11:39 AM

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I would love to see him in AZ throwing to Larry Fitz.!!!!

Stephen 03-07-2012 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dave (Post 1584509)
Even Snyder doesn't have enough money to bring Peyton to same division as Eli.
Put your money on an AFC team. And not NY or Denver. I'd say Miami or KC.

Good point which further makes me believe that the Redskins are going after RGIII. If I had to put a hundred dollar bet on a parlay on how the quarterback carousel will shake out, it'd look something like this:

Cleveland - Flynn
Miami - Manning
Washington - RGIII
Arizona - Kolb ($$$)
NY Jets - Dirty Sanchez ($$$)
KC - Cassel

shilala 03-07-2012 01:08 PM

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I really don't think Cleveland is smart enough to pick up Flynn, and if he's heard any talk from the dickwads around here, I'd be shocked to even think he'd consider Cleveland.
I really think Manning ends up in AZ, and I still don't think Cleveland makes a qb move unless it's after RG3.

Stephen 03-07-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1584617)
I really don't think Cleveland is smart enough to pick up Flynn, and if he's heard any talk from the dickwads around here, I'd be shocked to even think he'd consider Cleveland.
I really think Manning ends up in AZ, and I still don't think Cleveland makes a qb move unless it's after RG3.

Investigating it a bit further on my lunch break, the Cardinals would have to get something done, and quickly, because Kolb is due a sizable bonus in a week and a half. Don't underestimate the power of the cheapskate that resides in Arizona.

shilala 03-08-2012 08:53 AM

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I just got a text from rotowire that says 12 teams contacted Manning's representatives (concerning his neck) yesterday.
If any of you guys missed the press conference, it's worth looking for. If there was any animosity between Irsay and Manning, it sure wasn't evident. It was obvious they reached the release decision together based on their committment to the franchise.
It was quite the tearjerker, too.

shilala 03-08-2012 08:59 AM

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Here's the press conference.

dave 03-08-2012 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1584617)
I really don't think Cleveland is smart enough to pick up Flynn, and if he's heard any talk from the dickwads around here, I'd be shocked to even think he'd consider Cleveland.
I really think Manning ends up in AZ, and I still don't think Cleveland makes a qb move unless it's after RG3.

As a devoted GB fan, I continue to be amazed at the Flynn buzz. He's got unlimited potential, sure - but am I the only one reminded of Matt Cassel everytime Flynn's name comes up? I'd be more than happy having him remain GB backup, but if we can get some serious value, it might be a good time to sell high.


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