Sean Avery
 

Hockey fans...what do think about Sean Avery's suspension for his comments on TV?

If you didn't see it, it went like this:

Reporters were waiting to speak with Avery about disparaging remarks he'd made last month about Flames star Jarome Iginla when Avery walked over to the group and asked if there was a camera present. When told there was, he said, "I'm just going to say one thing."

"I'm really happy to be back in Calgary; I love Canada," he said. "I just want to comment on how it's become like a common thing in the NHL for guys to fall in love with my sloppy seconds. I don't know what that's about, but enjoy the game tonight." He then walked out of the locker room.

Avery's ex-girlfriend, actress Elisha Cuthbert of the television show "24" and the movie "Old School," is dating Calgary defenseman Dion Phaneuf; she also had been romantically linked to Mike Komisarek of the Montreal Canadiens.

I was a fan of Sean's when he was with the Kings. He's a grade A crap stirrer for sure but he can get the team fired up when they are playing below standard. I always thought that if he could just mature a liitle and show some restraint that all that passion could be channeled in a positive way. Looks like he's still got some maturing to do.

Sean's comments were classless for sure, I'd guess that he'll be called in for a heart to heart with Gary Bettman and then allowed to play, most likely some kind of "double secret probation".

Re: Sean Avery
 

This POS (Avery) shouldn't even have a thread with his name on it here. :pu

Re: Sean Avery
 

Come on.

Was it a classless move? Absolutely. Should the NHL step in? No way. What's next suspending a guy for saying your mom wears combat boots?

It should have been left for the Stars, and the players to handle (both on and off the ice). Dion could have been given the green light to just kick the snot out of him with nothing more than a five minute major.

Everyone hates Avery till he plays for your team. Many worse have gone before him and many more will come after him.

Re: Sean Avery
 

If you have talent, show it on the ice/field/court etc.

These overpaid athletes need to realize it’s a privilege to play sports professionally and need to think twice when cameras/microphones are put in their faces. Kids look up to these kinds of people and the league was absolutely right for stepping in and suspending him. The league has an image to uphold and asshats like this can find work elsewhere.

Re: Sean Avery
 

Sorry Al I disagree.

If he says it on the ice I am fine with that. I think it is a classless tasteless comment but if it is in between players then they can decide how they will handle it.

To take that kind of talk in the premeditated fashion to the cameras is completely unacceptable.

As for loving him if he is on your team. Even Turco and Modano (to very classy Dallas Stars) have said publicly that he is an embarrassment to the the team and that they fully agree with the leagues and the ownerships decision to penalize him. Hitchcock posted on the Dallas site that if the league hadn't suspended him that the Stars would have, I think it might be the end of Avery in Dallas.

I think the role of the pest is a good one to have on your team, but I think it needs to stay on the ice, making denigrating and derogatory remarks towards women on national TV is not how I think we should allow professional athletes to act nor is that what I want my boys thinking is allowable behavior in society.

Rant over.

Please return to your regularly scheduled program

Re: Sean Avery
 

I agree to a point Patrick so don't think I'm picking a fight. :)

However, it's OK to beat each others face in on the ice (in front of the same kids) but not say anything wrong about a guys GF?

How many LITTLE kids will ever know he said it and would they understand what he meant? If the press would not make it such a huge deal and stop printing it then it would just go away. But no, that would not sell papers.

Still say the Team and the players are the best ones to handle such things.

I am ready for my beating. :)

Re: Sean Avery
 

What do you disagree with?

I said it was classless. I said it should of been dealt with on the ice and by the Stars management.

Is it that I don't think the NHL as a whole should of stepped in what bothers you?

Re: Sean Avery
 

Any hockey fan knows that fighting has become accepted as "just part of the game".

My post was generalized to include all athletes, not just Avery. Maybe kids don't understand what "sloppy seconds" means but if the league didn't do something, how far would it have gone? Do your talking on the ice/field/court. If you want to talk, keep it related to the game... not personal.

Re: Sean Avery
 

I hear ya! As for "just part of the game" does that make it alright? Why not just make it a rule you can't? Again that would impact sales. And it's a whole other thread. :)

I love this game. However I thing the fighting gives us a worse rep than one or two load mouths running amok.

Thanks for sharing your views.

Re: Sean Avery
 

I am probably in a bit more of a unique situation but both of my kids did see it and my oldest did ask me what "sloppy seconds" was (he is only 8)

As for disagreeing with you yup your right. I do think the league has a role to fill in maintaining a certain level of professionalism with its players. I will agree with you that it is a very very slippery slope and caution in how it is approached should be taken.

Also disagree about liking having Avery on your team. That kind of "pest" I don't want to see. Give me the Darcy Tuckers, the Tuutu's, and Ville Nikanens of the world gladly. Again a fine line I guess.

On letting the players handle it, lets say Dion gets him with his head down and lays him out ala Scott Stevens but he gets injured, now we are talking about Dion gooning it up and losing his cool. Dunno what the right answer is.

I am a fan of fighting in Hockey it has its place in my opinion, two willing combatants squaring off is part of hockey to me. Jawing on the ice........hell I am all for it.

Guess this one crossed my line, we all have it just at different levels.

I guess the league should have given the Stars 24 hours to do something before jumping the gun maybe. But in my mind it was the right outcome, maybe just not handled perfectly.

Re: Sean Avery
 

You guys totally lost me after Gregg mentioned Elisha Cuthbert. :hm

Re: Sean Avery
 

You stole my line! :mad:

Re: Sean Avery
 

I disagree. If they let him take the ice after that comment plus the others he made about Igilna, it would've been a bloodbath. I think the NHL did the right thing.

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Agree with Shawn there although I think the comment was pretty damn funny & true! And I would have no problem whatsoever with anybody's seconds related to Elisha Cuthbert....uh, if I weren't a happily married man.

Tasteless comment for sure but to deserve suspension...I dunno...are there written up rules about trash talking?

Re: Sean Avery
 

Yes I did as it was so on the mark. Sorry my friend. The fighting comment was Greg's to me in another post.

:ss

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http://linuxreviews.org/software/x11...cuthbert-1.jpg

And now.... http://midpacsolutions.com/emoticons/focus.gif

Re: Sean Avery
 

Thanks, Mr Reindeer for the intermission;)

Uh.......what were we talking about again?

Sean Avery...... IMHO Sean should be suspended because he has stepped over the line. Making the comments on ice is one thing. If a player doesn't like what's being said, someone on the team will take care of it. Making the comments to a TV camera is way out of line, this isn't WW whatever wresting.

If he has issues with a player dating his ex the he should man up and say it directly to the person that he has a problem with, they can deal with with it themselves.

If he's not careful, Sean's about to cut his own career short. I'm wondering if Sean's brain wasn't affected by the nuke plant in his home town.

Re: Sean Avery
 

Was Shaq suspended for his rap over the summer about Kobe? It wasnt the nicest thing in the world, but to be honest when i saw it on ESPN I laughed. I guess it was just my sense of humor that found it funny that this guy cared enough to say it to the camera. A meeting with league officials is about all I think should be done to the guy, maybe a fine and suspension. Players say FAR worse to the refs and one another on the field and in the locker room, nothing is done about it. There are more important issues for the league to be concerned about then dealing with a player who said something almost every guy in America has heard/said in their lifetime.

Re: Sean Avery
 

i've got no problem with someone talking a little smack and this seems about right with what I know about him all be it that isn't much. he likes to start crap and this seems like about part for the course.

Re: Sean Avery
 

this is so pathetic.

Okay kids!! Beat the sh*t out of each other on the ice!!! Beat the fans when you're in the Penalty Box!!! Do drugs, get arrested for beating the crap out of someone, spend 5 games on the bench!!!

BUT G-D FORBID you say anything about your ex-girlfriend on TV!!!

What a load of crap.

Re: Sean Avery
 

yeah, he even told us to 'enjoy the game'; i mean really

Re: Sean Avery
 

Personally I think Avery is a bigger loser for letting the nice blonde lady get away in the first place then his poor timed comment. :D

Re: Sean Avery
 

It's all good! It's one of those rare moments where I actually say something worth repeating... :ss

Re: Sean Avery
 

Naw.... I'm pretty sure I would loathe him if he was a Hurricane. :rolleyes:

Re: Sean Avery
 

As a big fan of hockey myself I have to say I was disappointed in the way the NHL handled this. Having read all the posts before mine I do understand your points guys but I still think it was too heavy handed on the NHL's part.

Is Avery a classless a-hole... yup, should he have been penalized by the league for his comment to the media, IMO no. While you are held to a certain standard in regards to your conduct as an athlete I don't believe the league should have stepped in on a trash-talking incident. Whether it was in the media or not.

:2

Re: Sean Avery
 

Minus the drugs and the crap that happens off ice, these are some of the reasons that people love playing and watching hockey.

Re: Sean Avery
 

If Sean Avery could shoot the puck half as good as he can shoot his mouth he would be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame.

From the looks of the picture below, most anyone would be happy with a chance to put the biscut in the basket, be it firsts, seconds, or thirds... :dr

Re: Sean Avery
 

:tpd:ding ding ding....we have a winner!

and Al said 'nice blonde lady'

Re: Sean Avery
 

Is this who he was talking about?Here in Dallas thats all the sports radio stations are talking about. Sounds like the Stars organization and his teammates are already tired of his act.

Re: Sean Avery
 

Yep.

That's fine send him to New York. I will be his handler for and even million per year and all will be good with the world.

Re: Sean Avery
 

I can't even watch TV with my daughter when she watches "Popular Mechanics for Kids" because you see Elisha like this....

http://pics.livejournal.com/parkyourcar/pic/00048das

Having said that.... Avery is a goon. This kind of stuff is not required.

Re: Sean Avery
 

Exactly!

Re: Sean Avery
 

Well, let's see here....

How's that saying go again???

Doesn't matter HOW beautiful she might be....there is someone out there who is SICK AND F*CKING TIRED OF HER A$$

does THAT ring a bell???

:r:r:r

Re: Sean Avery
 

Nope. I'm never so crass. ;)

Re: Sean Avery
 

Avery sought out the media, and asked if the cameras were on, before making his statement.

He is a clown and an embarrasament to the NHL. The fact that two of his superstar teammates, Modano and Turco, who have more talent in their pinkies than Avery has in his whole body. spoke out against his antics speaks volumes. :2

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Agreed:cb

Re: Sean Avery
 

Was it right or was it wrong? I personally don't believe he said anything that really wasn't true. All in all, Elisha is really nothing more than a highly paid groupie who happens to be in the public spotlight. She's bouncing in and outta beds like a superball. He just called it like it was. Was it classless. Yeah, but sometimes the truth is. Did it need the NHL to get involved? Nope, he didn't say anything that was racial or any of the 7 words you shouldn't say on TV. What would George Carlin say about this?

Something else that gets me is this whole role model crap. Professional Athletes shouldn't be role models anyway. If kids are watching sports to get their leadership skills that's where the big problem is.

Charles Barkley said it best:
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And this one by Sir Charles:

Re: Sean Avery
 

Avery gets six games. Much worse has been done in the league for much less time. Not sayin he was right at all, just sayin.

Re: Sean Avery
 

Doesn't sound like the players nor the coach want him back. The players refused when he asked to address them personally with an apology. Modano, several other players and the head coach continue to express their doubts in the media.

What does Avery care....he gets paid either way. Hope no other NHL team takes a chance on this head case.

Re: Sean Avery
 

So you think 6 games is fair Tom?

Re: Sean Avery
 

He might not actually get paid. There is a clause in the contract that requires behavior commensurate with the professional standards of the league. If they can provide supportable proof that his behavior is detrimental to league then he would be in breach and therefore not entitled to be paid. It would definitely result in a lawsuit but Hicks is no stranger to lawsuits and might know a lawyer or two.

Re: Sean Avery
 

I don't know what's fair from the League....but I am not unhappy to hear that his Stars teammates don't want him back.

Hockey is a team sport....Avery doesn't get that, Al. :2

Re: Sean Avery
 

I agree fully with your second comment.

As for the first one I do believe in trying to be fair with punishments. As an example, the Randy Jones hit on Patrice Bergeron that could of ended his career. This hit got him two games. Avery gets six for a classless 14 year old comment. The NHL has no consistentancy when it comes to punishments.

Bettman is an a$$ and the NHL looks worse because of him.

CLICK FOR THE HIT


GO PENN STATE!
GO NJ ROCKETS!
GO RANGERS!

Re: Sean Avery
 

Al, do you just post in this thread because you dont get enough abuse from the Massholes???

Re: Sean Avery
 

I believe the League stated that Avery's suspension is harsh because of numerous prior incidents which he was not suspended for.

While it may look harsh on its face, I believe in Karma....Sean finally got what has been coming to him for a while....and the suspension will be the least of it. :2

Re: Sean Avery
 

:r

Hockey Role Model??

Hockey Role Model Part 2

Re: Sean Avery
 

Nobody is saying those hits are defensible.

No one is saying that children should look to pro athletes as role models.

How is this relevant to the Avery situation? :confused:

Re: Sean Avery
 

So based on this any sport with an unsuitable role model is????????

NFL

OJ Simpson - Kidnapping, armed robbery
Lawrence Phillips - Assault with a deadly weapon
Michael Vick - Conspiracy
Dwayne Goodrich - criminally negligent homicide

MLB

Pete Rose - Tax Evasion
Darryl Strawberry - battery, drug possession, solicitation
Ugueth Urbina - Attempted Murder
Dwight Gooden - evading police, drug possession, drug trafficking

NBA

Allen Iverson - maiming by mob
Tom Pane - Rape (multiple convictions)
Charles Smith - homicide
Ruben Patterson - Rape

Boxing

Riddick Bowe - Kidnapping
Mike Tyson - Narcotics, DUI, Rape, Road Rage
Tommy Morrison - multiple weapons charges and trafficking
Rubin Carter - Murder



Hockey and every other sport has its share of people that do not put the sport in the best light, but that in and of itself does not make the sport bad nor does it mean that all the athletes in that sport should be painted with the same brush. In fact it puts more emphasis on the judiciary bodies within each sport to work harder to maintain a standard by which all athletes should be measured.

Re: Sean Avery
 

A local radio station did an interview with Dave Tippet today. It doesn't sound like Avery will play another game in here in Dallas . If he has any say so in the matter. Although it will ultimately be Tom Hicks decision as to whether he has a future here in Dallas.

Re: Sean Avery
 

Some interesting conversation between ESPN analysts here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3747370