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Just got word that Desean Jackson finally ended his holdout and reported to EAGLES camp....I agree he is woefully underpaid, but is under a contract...I believe the contract should be honored, by both player and team....Naive, I know...What do the rest of you think....in favor of players holding out for more $$?...why don't we see this in other sports?

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The Giants have the same issue with Osi. The difference is that Osi showed up and rode the stationary bike to keep him from the 30K a day fine for not showing. Now he says he needs knee surgery!

I agree, if you sign a contract, then honor it!!!!!

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I think if you ***** about not making enough money for playing a game then you should not get paid at all.

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They are so underpaid ... just calculate how many years it will take you to make their salary this year and then see it you still feel sorry for them ... they signed the contract they should play IMO.

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:D....woefully underpaid RELATIVE to other NFL players at his position...

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From my understanding, players have really been neutered in using this as a tactic to get a new contract under the new CBA (I believe it has something to do with accruing time towards free agency eligibility). As for why we don't see this in other sports, my guess would be because of guaranteed contracts.

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On the flip side, if the team offered the contract and it was agreed to by all parties, shouldn't they honor it as well?

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thats why he came back today....passed tomorrow he would've lost a year towards FA eligibilty...

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Unfortunately it is the only tactic players can use to attempt to get a new contract. The owners don't have to honor contracts, so why are players expected to do the same? :hm

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nearly $900,000 to play football is "woefully underpaid"? get the **** on.


seriously, underpaid?

Signed for 4 years, $3,058,000 after being drafted in the 2nd round of the 2008 draft. The deal included a 1.353M signing bonus prorated over 4 years. He triggered a one-time bonus of 391,335 in 2009.

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I hate when players hold out and say it's because they have out performed their contract and deserve a raise. If a player under performs are they going to give money back?

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No, if they under-perform, they get cut and get no money. ;)

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No, in professional football, they are cut.... Happens to a bunch of players every year.... We are not talking about the guaranteed contracts of the NBA and MLB.

Speaking only for the NFL. I am all for holding out and getting what you think you deserve. Players only have a VERY, VERY, VERY small window to make any money at this profession and contracts are not honored by management. If they don't produce, they will just be cut...done deal...

So long story short, I'd never be a bargain player....I'd get what I was worth or damn sure try.

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he signed a contract. if i decide i'm under payed at work I can't just stop showing up to get more i'm gona get ****ing fired, not get more money. play out your contract and then try and "get dat papah".

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Relative to the other professional sports, how much the owners make versus the players, given that a large majority of the money is not guaranteed and the window to make money is so much shorter in the NFL, yes. :2

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bullshit, he's making near $900,000 this year. shut up and play or quit playing and go sell cars. no ones forcing him to play in this slavery system that's going on here

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Unlike other sports, where the money is guaranteed, its not that easy. The owners can throw away a contract at any time, the players don't have the same luxury. If he gets injured this season, do you think the owners will still negotiate a contract with him as if he wasn't? :confused:

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It's all about guaranteed dollars. NFL players, on average, have a very limited career span -- I believe it is the lowest among the 4 major professional leagues. The system is (or at least was) wildly tilted in the owners favor once a player was under contract. I think it's tremendously disingenuous for owners to cry about players wanting to re-negotiate their contracts and using hold outs to get that accomplished when the owners have no problem cutting players mid-contract.

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If they continue to allow players to do this...then I believe they should allow owners to drop their salaries when they have a bad year. This is the biggest load of crap out there. While I have no doubt that he is underpaid for his position, by ability alone, he signed a contract...HONOR IT!!!

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They do have that ability, its called cutting players, making the contract $0. :tu

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I never understood the argument that the players are overpaid.
You read gripe after gripe about how much money the players make, but never a peep about the owners income.
A lot was written about this locally when Jeter was in contract negotiations.
In 2009 the Yankees reported 441 million dollars in profits after operating costs and earned another 184+ million from the Yes network (84 million for rights & 100+ million in dividends).
Why did fans want so badly for Jeter to make 12 mil and the Yankees to make 444mil?

So it's not a complete threadjack,
The players should have the right to holdout, until the Owners guarantee contracts.
Players in the NFL aren't only asked to rework their contract when they underperform, sometimes they are asked to do so when they live up to them for the benefit of the team.
Marc Sanchez did so this year after taking his team to back to back AFC championship games.

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Once upon a time there were players that would play the game with barely enough to live on just so they could play the game...

There are a lot of people who would love to make that kind of measly living for playing a game sitting on the sideline called real life....

And not all hold outs live up to the hype once they get a new contract ... see Larry Johnson ....

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After reading what I said and then responding like this, you are either trolling or just lack business sense....:sh Either way, that is okay....no harm, no foul...

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Not saying they are not overpaid also here. I don't feel sorry for the owners one bit when I shell out $27 for parking + $85 for a ticket + $11 for a beer +:gary

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And they were getting screwed by collective bargaining agreements and owners who were making tons of money back then too. Unfortunately society has embraced football as its go-to spectator sport making owners tons of money and making the NFL a multi-billion dollar business over the past few decades. Baseball players once played for peanuts too, but now there are players making +$20 million per season on guaranteed contracts with nothing to stop them from collecting the money, including retirement. The NFL has failed to keep up with similar (read: ANY) guaranteed money despite having the shortest careers and highest injuries. :2

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People have to get their mind around the fact that this isn't a stinking game.... This is big business and these guys work for a living. Almost every one of them will be given a pink slip, no longer having the qualifications to perform the job.

I'm with Dom here.... These guys are paid what they deserve to be paid....it is a free market economy.... It is the exact reason for lockouts and strikes, these guys are business men that go to work and perform their trade....

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This is a fairytale. No one ever played professional ball for less money because they loved it so.

In MLB players were trapped with teams who could pay them what they wanted due to the reserve clause.
Did players play for far less money than they do now? Yes
Were they offered huge sums of $ and turn it down for love of the game? NO

They played ball for less money because it payed more than the other options they had.

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But fans don't hold out anything but their wallets when ticket prices and concessions get higher, but it seems that people have strong opinions about players trying to capitalize on their success. :hm

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I agree when it comes time for free agency....go out and get what the "market" will bear....but not the issue here....

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While I am not an owner supporter by any means (but they are business owners and not one us of here would enjoy having others tell us how to run our business). I have ZERO problems with a player capitalizing on their success AFTER their current contract expires/is about to expire. Some of these players are in year 2 of a 4-5 year deal, but because they had a career year, they are going to hold out??? HONOR the contract you signed from the beginning.

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Again, if he gets hurt during the season, will the team negotiate with him as if he was never injured? No. Thusly he could get nothing. The goal is to sign a new contract to get a nice potential signing bonus and some guaranteed money. There is nothing to say after the new contract is negotiated that the owners couldn't cut him and not have to pay him another dollar. The owners don't have to honor contracts, why are players expected to? :confused:

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The lightbulb just came on...very valid point here.

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If players can be punished (cut) for under-performing, why can't they be rewarded (new contract) for over-performing? :hm

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If Desean Jackson would have blown his knee out returning the punt, that put the nail in the coffin of the Giants season, that I will never forgive Matt Dodge for not kicking out of bounds, would the Eagles honor their end of an already signed contract?

Probably not!
So how can you begrudge him for trying to capitalize on a good year, when he could be cut due to one botched play where he gets hurt?

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I've tried to point it out a few times.

No one is complaning about Adam Dunn making $13.5 million dollars this year, and he can retire tomorrow and still get the rest of the money in the contract he signed and the owners of baseball teams can do nothing. I think the Rangers still owe A-Rod about $16 million, the Knicks owe Alan Houston millions and he retired like 7 years ago.

The money in other sports, which is guaranteed, is ridiculous compared to the NFL and the player gets every dollar in those contracts, whether he performs to it or not. The NFL has very little guaranteed money, only signing bonuses and even sometimes those are prorated over longer periods of time and can be forfeited if the player is cut or retires. :rolleyes:

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One point we can all agree on is that the NFL needs to start to guarantee contracts.

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Yes, but it won't happen. Same as there will never be an uncapped season. :2

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I don't agree with that. The injury rate is too great to guarantee contracts. If you are good enough, and stay healthy, that's pretty much a guarantee.

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not happening in the next 10 years, til the new CBA expires...

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So what about the players with career threatening injuries from the game? Does the NFL need to make things right here? Or are the players just out there? IF I stay healthy I get what's coming my way...the owners are getting pair either way. Time to give back to the players that made the game what it is (I know, I know...this goes back to being told how to run your own business).

Sad, but true!!

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Tell ya'll what...it's BASEBALL season!! :D :D :D

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One solution - stop offering a value and start paying based on stats ... you throw 50 interceptions in a year you should owe the team money ;)

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This was really the point of my thread....coaxing Dom to face his suppressed memories....:D

I get the counter-point....just not a fan of the tactic, especially with the EAGLES, who have a won't renegotiate with hold-outs policy....see T.O. (another Rosenhaus client)

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I thought that season ended as soon as training camp started ;s

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Normally...but that only applied to the Houston Astros this year. :r :r :r

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It has been pointed out more than a few times, but yea, IMO that is exactly the issue here.





As far as guaranteeing contracts in the NFL, never going to happen and I think we will see them disappear in the NBA shortly(see the current lockout).

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Sadly, especially for WRs like Jackson, being "good enough" and "staying healthy" often run in direct contradiction of each other. These guys go across the middle and risk getting crushed between two huge DBs. He's a good WR because of the routes he runs and his hands. Every time he runs that cross route his potential to "stay healthy" is very up in the air. But thats the gig.

These guys get paid what they get paid because it's dangerous. Even with all the pads and rules and fines the potential for a career ending injury is there in nearly every play. I would want some kind of guarantee that if I go across the middle for a catch (to get my team points and win the game) and I get my leg snapped in half that I am still going to see some money in exchange for all of the cartilage in my knee.

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Couldn't sleep last night, Thanks Buddy :D

What tactic should players use?
Something tells me, asking ownership pretty please won't work :r

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Naked photos of owner and/or GM in compromising positions always works....ala the Senator from Nevada in "II"....