Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfe.../show/id/15653
:sh

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

WOW!!!

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

damn. didn't know anything about this.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Looks like somebody wants to own a brand or three of his own.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Haha, I looked over at the signed Cain habano box and Cain F hat I have from this year and feel really lucky now :tu

Sucks to hear, maybe he'll figure out some brands of his own

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Sam will land on his feet!!!

Good luck Sam!!!:tu

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Interesting...it just so happens that nublive appears to be deactivated as well.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

:tpd:

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

I wonder what happened. He will def create his own brand

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

I know that the article states that Oliva owns the Cain brand, but without Sam on board I wonder if they will go the way of the cloth bands :hm

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Why use cloth bands? It would have to add a higher cost and frankly, there's nothing gained in doing cloth bands.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Missed my point....the discontinued Oliva cloth band cigars...wondering if they will end up ceasing production without Sam a part of the company

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

I thought they were already looking at eliminating the Cain line anyway?

I could be way off IIRC someone at a local b and m mentioned that.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Gotcha. I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. :D

I wouldn't think they'd eliminate the Cains. Seems like the reviews have always been pretty good on them. Nubs maybe, but not the Cains.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

You wouldn't think, but like I said they might end up going away like the cloth bands did. I'm sure alot goes into whether or not a cigars production is continued, I'll just be curious to see if the removal of Sam from the equation will tip the scales. Might end up with a blend change or rebranding but it will be interesting to see how everything works out.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Production is full steam ahead.
That couldn't be farther from the truth. Cain is highly successful and continues to grow and expand in 2011. Nub has been a hit since the day it was released and it remains so to this day.

There will be no blend changing and no re-branding of any of the lines. Cain and Nub have always been produced and owned by Oliva. Nothing has changed on that side of things.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Good to know my precious Cain Maduros won't change :r I wish my B&M had them when I bought the box of habanos at the Cain tour.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Am I reading this right? Oliva created this Studio Tobac to be a spinoff of sorts and the stage is set for Sam to "part ways" with Oliva, but the door appears to be wide open for his creations there. In other words, let's create a lot of buzz about what's going on for all the talk so we can announce his new position all while under the Oliva umbrella. Am I way out in left field with this?

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

surprising news!

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Between this and Glorbal Warming, I don't know how I will sleep tonight.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

That will never happen. Bigger and better things are on the horizon!

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Yes, your way out in left field, all by yourself, lol.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

I guess I'll be the jerk for saying it...

I've only met Sam at an event, and do not know him personally. Having said that, I got the impression that Sam's image (his style in general) was as important as the cigars he was promoting and was almost a "brand" unto itself. I've often wondered to myself if that self branding ("Sam Leccia IS NUB/Cain cigars!") was ever going to be in conflict with Oliva someway and that someday Sam would seek to expand on his image.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

It will be interesting to see where he lands... I am sure he'll pop up with something new and amazing....

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

It makes me a little twitchy too...


The only thing that would make it better would be if Sam teamed up with Christian Audiger/Ed Hardy......

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Sam branded himself into oblivion with a good number of the brothers here awhile back. Tom still has a man crush on him, so at least he can hang on to that.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

It's possible that Sam finally got exposed to a corona sized cigar and had an epiphany. Hey these are great, what was I thinking? Hard to continue the evangelical promotion when your heart lies elsewhere. :r

Or - the owners of the old line cigar company possibly wanted to take back control of the dialog from their self promoting front man.

Or - There's only room in town for one sheriff kind of thing is the most likely scenario. He'll pop up elsewhere. Maybe K Hansottia will bring him on as his "Master blender".

Pretty difficult to start a vertically integrated cigar manufacturing company from scratch - so assume mucho hype, but in the end a known company will be making the "Leecias" or By "Sam Leecias".

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Ernie Carillo is no longer associated with LGC and they are still running and expanding.


MCS

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

... in related news, I finally threw these out the other day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpqttlqEn2s

:D

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Just a conspiracy theory for the "free" PR that would come about as a result. :tf

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

It's been down for a couple of weeks, the word from Sam on his twitter was that it would be back up soon and they were switching web teams. Coincidence? Probably not, but who knows.

I've never heard anybody say anything bad about Sam, and I've always gotten the impression from everybody I've ever talked to about him that he's a very down to earth, nice, generous BOTL. I don't know him personally so I can't attest to that fact myself, but going off what I've heard I couldn't do anything but wish him the best in his future endeavors.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

I use those to cut all my Nubs.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Sam is a pretty cool guy, eh is involved with tobacco and doesn't afraid of anything


In all seriousness, he seems like an awesome guy, I talked with him for the whole cain/nub event pretty much and he seems like "just a guy" and not so much a brand creator/promoter... or whatever he is :r He just seems very down to earth on a sales level, its not like other reps who get there and immediately start blasting you with how their line of cigars is the best, etc...

I'm sure he'll land on his feet with something, while I was there, he was talking about a cigar that was "ready to smoke" as in, both ends came pre-clipped and all you had to do was light it. I'd personally at least try that, it sounds like a cool gimmick at the very least

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Hrmm...I'd make a joke about Swisher Sweets, but J. Fuego has had pretty good reviews with their recent Origen Original that doesn't need cut.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

With laser guided precision, you can simply excise the sweet spot and snort it.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

:r

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

lmao

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

MMMM....sweet spot.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

ZOMG no more Sam at Oliva. :D

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

who? :)

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Doesn't really effect me.

As long as they keep putting out the G Series and the V Lanceros it doesn't rock my boat.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Is there a reason some of you genuinely seem to dislike Sam besides your dislike for Nubs? I mean...I'm honestly interested in knowing why if you do, because all I've heard are good things about the guy and I'd hate to keep thinking that if he's some huge d*ck or something.

I'm not trying to troll or anything, I'm really am just curious. If you want to take it to PM or just post it here, either way. It's just inquiring minds want to know :confused:

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

I find him to be a tiny bit Favre-like in that he comes across as a narcissistic know-it-all. I drank the Kool-Aid way back when too. My opinion only.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

His cigars suck ass. That's reason enough for me to not like him. :D

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

That's what I asked for :) Thanks for the input

Understandable, at least I know where your comments are coming from now :=:

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/up.../pt-barnum.jpg

In case the reference is lost... it's P T Barnum in the pic.

The issue has to do with this board and the intentions of those that participate and contribute. When someone is here for the sole purpose of promoting thier business interests... they are a vendor not a brother. Nothing wrong with that, just that at times folks seem to confuse the issue and there are a number of folks here that choose to put forth reminders on the subject when it gets too much to bear. There are others that although they are vendors also participate in the community and are considered brothers ...with benefits. Understanding the distinction between the 2 is the issue for interpreting comments of folks here.

That and the fact that many view the "sweet spot" promotion as Marketing huey. Some worship the concept on a (Nub)stand - some don't. Its a free country.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

I think this clears a lot of it up. Thanks for the post :tu

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

I really wish it was Monday.

Re: Sam To Leave Oliva and NUB
 

Further shades of gray - some vendors who only post about their business are at least humble and responsive, two qualities I have not seen from Sam. This was more exaggerated at "the old place" where he posted he would be around to answer questions, immediately got some honest and interesting questions, and promptly disappeared.