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dwoodward 07-08-2010 10:13 PM

Tips?
 
I have my first humidor coming in the mail, should be here on Tuesday from Tampa Humidor's. It's a brand new Salerno 300ct humidor. (I ordered imperfect but they were out apparently, so they cut me a very respectable price discount for a new one, very pleased.)

Anyhow, when it arrives, what should I do to start seasoning it? Everything that I know about seasoning comes from the internet, and ideas are very mixed between websites. Some people say to wipe in interior, other people say not to etc...

Some say to use a shot glass of water for a few days, others say to use a bowl of water. I will probably use a shot glass myself, but as a fine spirits aficionado I have many sizes of shot glasses on hand. What is the best size for this job? I have anything from 1/2oz glasses up to 3oz shot glasses. Will any size work?

Next, should I purchase the RH Beads, or the Shilala Beads? RH Beads are shown all over the internet and seem very popular, while people here swear by the Shilala it seems. What is the difference between the two? How are they better than strip humidifiers? Should I put the beads in during or after seasoning?

I know it is a lot of questions, but I have asked some of my buddies about these things, and they are pretty blunt, the all say just wipe the interior and then put your cigars in, but they also complain from time to time on how dry their older cigars are.

I basically just want to be sure that my cigars keep for as long as I need them to, after all the point of a humidor is to keep them fresh forever. A lot of questions, sorry. I am just a very cautious person, and want to be sure I do everything correctly.

Thanks.

Ogre 07-08-2010 10:16 PM

Re: Tips?
 
I have done the shot glass of water for a few days, and am now using Shilala beads now. You will get as many responses to your questions as there are members. Good luck.

icehog3 07-08-2010 10:23 PM

Re: Tips?
 
This should help, Derrick. :)

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=618

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=620

dwoodward 07-10-2010 11:36 PM

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So anyone else? Those links are very informative but still do not really answer my questions completely.

Eleven 07-11-2010 12:02 AM

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I am seasoning a new mini-cabinet now Here it is if you want to see.

Its bigger than a 300 count, and knowing the wood will only saturate and hold so much moisture I am not worried about being frugal with the seasoning. I used a large shallow bowl filled with distilled water.

I am going to let mine sit for a minimum of 1 week. Longer if needed, but I just got around to getting new hygrometers today and I am testing them now.

I killed my one cheap hygrometer by putting in the freezer in an attempt to check its temperature to calculate freezing time for some tobacco my wife brought back from Peru :)

As much as it goes against my nature, I am employing much patience. I have a smaller humidor holding my stash right now so getting the new mini-cabinet in order is the priority.

I will be using beads as well. Its easy to calculate how much you need on the Shilala web site.

Desktop and smaller cabinets are just fine with beads or other passive humidification. Even vinotemps are fine with beads.

macsauce13 07-11-2010 12:26 AM

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Beads= Shilala or Heartfelt beads will both do the trick. Both are great, and well respected in this community.

Seasoning= I have wiped my humidors with a damp rag (DISTILLED WATER ONLY) with no problems, just don't overdue it. A glass of distilled water, whatever size will be great to season your humidor. Be patient, let it sit until you think it should be done, and then let it sit a while longer. It can only help!


There are tons of variations to these methods, and you will have success with 'most' of them. Read around the threads on this site and you will find all the information you need! Welcome to the Asylum!

icehog3 07-11-2010 12:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dwoodward (Post 911094)
I have my first humidor coming in the mail, should be here on Tuesday from Tampa Humidor's. It's a brand new Salerno 300ct humidor. (I ordered imperfect but they were out apparently, so they cut me a very respectable price discount for a new one, very pleased.)

Anyhow, when it arrives, what should I do to start seasoning it? Everything that I know about seasoning comes from the internet, and ideas are very mixed between websites. Some people say to wipe in interior, other people say not to etc...

I would never wipe the interior of my humidor, but like you say, people's opinions vary...Mine is "never:.

Some say to use a shot glass of water for a few days, others say to use a bowl of water. I will probably use a shot glass myself, but as a fine spirits aficionado I have many sizes of shot glasses on hand. What is the best size for this job? I have anything from 1/2oz glasses up to 3oz shot glasses. Will any size work?

I boiled a glass of distilled water in the microwave, then put something rubber on the bottom of my humi (like a mouse pad for instance) to keep it from scorching the wood, and set the glass in my humi and closed it up. Worked great on more than one humi for me, but you will get lots of opinions of this too.

Next, should I purchase the RH Beads, or the Shilala Beads? RH Beads are shown all over the internet and seem very popular, while people here swear by the Shilala it seems. What is the difference between the two? How are they better than strip humidifiers? Should I put the beads in during or after seasoning?

Shiala beads are humidity beads. He could explain any differences to you but they are basically the same principle as I understand it. Absorb humidity when needed, emit humidity when needed. Strip humidifiers? If you mean the foam inserts, they can mold over. If you mean Boveda type packets, they won't last as long as the beads.

I know it is a lot of questions, but I have asked some of my buddies about these things, and they are pretty blunt, the all say just wipe the interior and then put your cigars in, but they also complain from time to time on how dry their older cigars are.

I basically just want to be sure that my cigars keep for as long as I need them to, after all the point of a humidor is to keep them fresh forever. A lot of questions, sorry. I am just a very cautious person, and want to be sure I do everything correctly.

Thanks.

I am certain you will get similar and opposing opinions, just as you found different methods on the net. These ones worked for me persoanlly, more than once.

Barteur 07-11-2010 06:26 AM

Re: Tips?
 
Don't forget to salt test your Hygro.
I would not wipe the side.
The boiling water trick works fine.
Both types of beads work well.
Try to be patient sometime waiting a couple of days to make sure everything is stable before adding cigars is worth it.

dwoodward 07-11-2010 11:26 AM

Re: Tips?
 
Lighters and Cutters? What do you all use?

Ogre 07-11-2010 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dwoodward (Post 912966)
Lighters and Cutters? What do you all use?

Another million answer question. That is all personal preference. I use the Xikar cutter and an Alex Bradley Table lighter and love them both.

dwoodward 07-11-2010 11:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogre3239 (Post 912970)
Another million answer question. That is all personal preference. I use the Xikar cutter and an Alex Bradley Table lighter and love them both.

I want to buy a new cutter as my current doesn't make a very good cut and tears the wrapper a lot, I end up using my buddies more often, hes in the market for a new one too tho. I also currently light with just match sticks, but doing so can be difficult while fishing or golfing.

waffle 07-11-2010 11:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogre3239 (Post 911102)
I have done the shot glass of water for a few days, and am now using Shilala beads now. You will get as many responses to your questions as there are members. Good luck.

:tpd:

As far as cutters & lighters... personal preference.... however pailo is an awesome guillotine style, xikar is a great brand as well... for a lighter, you can jump on a butane or drive to walmart and get a $3 butane... BUTANE BUTANE :)... all personal preferences except the butane lighter... don't use any lighter that takes anything but butane!

Ogre 07-11-2010 11:47 AM

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For fishing and golf, I would just buy a cheap 3 torch lighter, dont worry about loss or breakage. Same thing for a cutter, cheap double blade. You will have to buy them more often but no concern for loss. I keep the nice stuff at home.

Eleven 07-11-2010 02:31 PM

Re: Tips?
 
Crappy dual blade cutter til I get a nice one, and a cheap torch.

icehog3 07-11-2010 03:00 PM

Re: Tips?
 
Palio for a cutter.

Blazer for a nice torch...Ronson for a reliable cheap one.

Ogre 07-11-2010 03:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 913155)
Palio for a cutter.

Blazer for a nice torch...Ronson for a reliable cheap one.

Have not tried the Palio cutter. Have heard they are not FAT finger friendly:r. Will have to find someone to try it.agree on lighter:banger:banger

icehog3 07-11-2010 03:08 PM

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I have big fingers, and absolutely no problem using the Palio. Never heard the "fat finger" complaint until I saw it on another thread a couple days ago.

Ogre 07-11-2010 03:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 913168)
I have big fingers, and absolutely no problem using the Palio. Never heard the "fat finger" complaint until I saw it on another thread a couple days ago.

I hope someone at EPIC HERF in November has one. Would like to try before buying. Cant find a B&M here that sells them.

icehog3 07-11-2010 03:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogre3239 (Post 913171)
I hope someone at EPIC HERF in November has one. Would like to try before buying. Cant find a B&M here that sells them.

The owner of Palio, OpusEx (Marc) is a member here, you could send him a PM if you try one and like it. :)

chippewastud79 07-11-2010 03:24 PM

Re: Tips?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 913168)
I have big fingers, and absolutely no problem using the Palio. Never heard the "fat finger" complaint until I saw it on another thread a couple days ago.

:tpd: Never met anyone with fingers too fat for the Palio. :tu

dwoodward 07-11-2010 08:06 PM

Re: Tips?
 
I think I know everything I need to know now. Thanks.

Just one final question... When I season my humidor, should I try to get the humidity up to 70-80 percent and then put the shilala's beads in to drop the humidity? Or what is the best way to get the humidity up and then level?

CigarNut 07-11-2010 08:46 PM

Re: Tips?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 911112)

This is a really good FAQ, but it does not contain any information about Shilala's beads. If you are interested in information on Shilala's beads you can check out this FAQ: http://www.hcmcigarbeads.com/faq.asp

waffle 07-11-2010 09:23 PM

Re: Tips?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dwoodward (Post 913567)
I think I know everything I need to know now. Thanks.

Just one final question... When I season my humidor, should I try to get the humidity up to 70-80 percent and then put the shilala's beads in to drop the humidity? Or what is the best way to get the humidity up and then level?

Thats similar to what I did... I raised the humidity to 74% for 3 days, took the water out, put in my shilala beads and all the sticks to let them pull the humidity down ;) Worked great.

dwoodward 07-11-2010 09:54 PM

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Thanks waffle. Do you think I should get 1 large bag of beads? or 2 smaller bags of beads and then place 1 on the top and bottom of the humidor.

Does it even matter really?

waffle 07-11-2010 10:04 PM

Re: Tips?
 
Now that's a question for someone with a humi larger than mine... I've got a quaint 150 stick box, nothing that needs so much... I do know that if you get 2x what you need, it helps keep it wayyyyy more consistent!

Ogre 07-11-2010 10:05 PM

Re: Tips?
 
I have a 250 count and have just one 4oz bag and it works great. have not had to touch it in 3 months so far. Maintaining Rh, no flux.

CigarNut 07-12-2010 07:47 AM

Re: Tips?
 
It is all about having as much surface area of the beads getting exposed to air as possible. Instead of having one bag crammed into a tight space two smaller bags that have better exposure would be better. If you have plenty of room then one bag would be fine.

waffle 07-12-2010 07:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CigarNut (Post 913889)
It is all about having as much surface area of the beads getting exposed to air as possible. Instead of having one bag crammed into a tight space two smaller bags that have better exposure would be better. If you have plenty of room then one bag would be fine.

That makes sense! Thanks for the clarification.

dwoodward 07-12-2010 12:35 PM

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In typical UPS fashion, my humidor was delayed by a day on its arrival. Not surprised tbh. You pay an extra 5 dollars for 3 day shipping to speed things up and get about the equivalent of ground in the end anyway. Figures.

I am getting really antsy waiting for all this. I know I need to season the thing and then order my cigars, but I am getting bored waiting. But I guess that is what you get when you live in the middle of nowhere like I do.

I have learned a lot about the industry tho. Each smoke shop here marks up their prices by 200-300% over what the price is online. I'll probably never buy from a local store again unless its just a single to try something new that I can't find online.

waffle 07-12-2010 12:54 PM

Re: Tips?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dwoodward (Post 914162)
In typical UPS fashion, my humidor was delayed by a day on its arrival. Not surprised tbh. You pay an extra 5 dollars for 3 day shipping to speed things up and get about the equivalent of ground in the end anyway. Figures.

I am getting really antsy waiting for all this. I know I need to season the thing and then order my cigars, but I am getting bored waiting. But I guess that is what you get when you live in the middle of nowhere like I do.

I have learned a lot about the industry tho. Each smoke shop here marks up their prices by 200-300% over what the price is online. I'll probably never buy from a local store again unless its just a single to try something new that I can't find online.

So - I am the EXACT same way when it comes to deliveries... I HATE WAITING... I want to start something so bad.... it was sooooo hard to season my 2nd humi with all the sticks in tupperware b/c I want it to be full and beautiful, I think UPS knows when you're waiting for something and delay it just to be spiteful!:td

dwoodward 07-13-2010 12:43 PM

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Well it looks like my humidor did arrive on time. The thing is large heavy, and very well constructed from what I can tell. The external Hygrometer makes me wonder however, even when pushed all the way in there is a little gap, i think it probably will end up leaking humidity, we will have to see, but I have a feeling I am going to have to use some Silicon to seal the thing up.

dwoodward 07-14-2010 11:21 PM

Re: Tips?
 
After letting my humidor try to collect humidity overnight and watching the analog hygrometer sit at 50% RH for 12 hours, I decided I would wipe down the inside with a slightly damp clean rag to try to get the process going. The RH shot up to 80% on the dial and quickly dropped to 50% within an hour.

I figured I had a leak so I made a run to the hardware store. I got some 100% silicone sealant and made a ring around the gap between the wood and the Hygrometer, used a stack of books to keep pressure on it for 3 hours to allow it to set. I put my bowl of water back in the humidor for an hour and the RH went from 50% up to 60% on the hygrometer and kept climbing slowly. Looks like the leak was fixed. It is now hovering at around 80%, but who knows how accurate that thing is anyway.

My digital hygrometer is currently being tested in a bag, its been 9 hours at it reads 73%. I am going to let it sit overnight to finish.

So, that's all that I have for now. My story of the day lol.

waffle 07-15-2010 08:24 AM

Re: Tips?
 
You did buy one roughly 3x the size you thought you'd need right? My 150 one is about to be met with a coolidor under the desk as the humi is now full (well, was, freezing the sticks after having the A/C go out, I didn't want to take any chances). I couldnt believe how quickly I filled it... its a sickness I tell ya!

CigarNut 07-15-2010 08:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by waffle (Post 917046)
You did buy one roughly 3x the size you thought you'd need right? My 150 one is about to be met with a coolidor under the desk as the humi is now full (well, was, freezing the sticks after having the A/C go out, I didn't want to take any chances). I couldnt believe how quickly I filled it... its a sickness I tell ya!

That slope is sure slippery... :D

OLS 07-15-2010 08:51 AM

Re: Tips?
 
Bead respect notwithstanding, I stay stay away from any beads you cannot
add water directly to. There are positive results and no shortage of true
believers for both types, but I always choose the type is not confusing to my
small brain and can have water poured on them without igniting the ionosphere.
Also nut up from the get go and buy you several pounds. You will not be in a
300 ct for long. Or maybe you will be the first to actually pull it off. We'll see.

dwoodward 07-15-2010 10:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLS (Post 917090)
Also nut up from the get go and buy you several pounds. You will not be in a
300 ct for long. Or maybe you will be the first to actually pull it off. We'll see.

I think someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, grumpy grumpy grumpy...

Not everyone can afford a $500 humidor you know....

longknocker 07-15-2010 10:49 AM

Re: Tips?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 913155)
Palio for a cutter.

Blazer for a nice torch...Ronson for a reliable cheap one.

:tu I Agree!:)

longknocker 07-15-2010 11:02 AM

Re: Tips?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dwoodward (Post 916823)
After letting my humidor try to collect humidity overnight and watching the analog hygrometer sit at 50% RH for 12 hours, I decided I would wipe down the inside with a slightly damp clean rag to try to get the process going. The RH shot up to 80% on the dial and quickly dropped to 50% within an hour.

I figured I had a leak so I made a run to the hardware store. I got some 100% silicone sealant and made a ring around the gap between the wood and the Hygrometer, used a stack of books to keep pressure on it for 3 hours to allow it to set. I put my bowl of water back in the humidor for an hour and the RH went from 50% up to 60% on the hygrometer and kept climbing slowly. Looks like the leak was fixed. It is now hovering at around 80%, but who knows how accurate that thing is anyway.

My digital hygrometer is currently being tested in a bag, its been 9 hours at it reads 73%. I am going to let it sit overnight to finish.

So, that's all that I have for now. My story of the day lol.

Listen To The Voice Of Experience From My Trials & Tribulations. I Have 3 Coolidors With Shilala's Beads That Work Fantastic With Almost No Maintenance. RH 63-65 & 74* Year Round For The Last Year, I Have A Nice Desktop That Maintains 65 With Shilala's Beads, The Other 2 Humidors Similar To The Ones You Have Don't Hold Humidity Worth S**T, No Matter What I Do. I'm Purchasing A Custom Humidor From Ed (waxingmoon), A Great Member On This site. I'll Put The Smokes I Plan On Smoking For The Current Month In This. I've Always Used Boveda Seasoning Packs (84% RH) For Seasoning All My Humis & They Work Great! www.bovedadirect.com

Good Luck!:)

dwoodward 07-15-2010 12:49 PM

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Thanks for the advice longknocker. But for now, this humidor will have to do. I seem to have stopped the leak and the humidor has been sitting at a rock solid 81% RH (analog hygrometer) for the last 24 hours. It seems the leak is gone now.

My digital is still calibrating. I am having some issues getting it set correctly, but the Boveda Calibration Kit is good for 3 months, so if it takes me that long to get it calibrated correctly, god help me... I'll probably have it all good in a couple days tho.

@ waffle, yes I did order 3x the size that I was originally shopping for. I started looking at a 100ct, but gauging from my friend's 100 and 150ct humidors being full to the brim, i decided I would pull a few stops and go 200 at the minimum. I settled on 300ct.


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