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thatswhatshesaid 04-09-2010 06:12 PM

band or no band
 
I read or heard somewhere that it is bad manners to leave on your band while smoking. Is this true and why? Or is this some snooty elitist thing ?

King James 04-09-2010 06:17 PM

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no bad manners, just take it off before you burn it instead of the cigar :tu

bishjd123 04-09-2010 06:21 PM

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I'd guess it's a matter of personal preference. I leave the band on. I don't want to run the risk of ruining the wrapper trying to get the band off.

RightAJ 04-09-2010 06:34 PM

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I like to leave it on for reference of how far I smoked, and just cause it looks cooler with it on lol

Take it off before ya burn it though!

aj

bvilchez 04-09-2010 06:35 PM

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I ususally leave it on until the glue is to the point where I can peel the band off. I'm not one to slide it off in danger of ruining the wrapper.

Tripp 04-09-2010 06:37 PM

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I leave it on because My hands tend to sweat, and I don't like sweaty cigars :D

Salvelinus 04-09-2010 06:39 PM

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I always take the band off before hand, only because I put it in a bag with the rest of them to make something cool at some point.

Was smoking with a pal the other day who asked me if I knew why the band was originally placed on a cigar? I didn't, and he informed me that it was to keep tobacco from staining my white gloves, or in my case ungloved hands.

No idea if this is true, but by his account it may have been developed as a way for snooty folks to keep their white gloves clean. I plan to keep the band on the next time I happen to be smoking in white gloves.:D

maverickdrinker 04-09-2010 06:45 PM

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i keep the band on until the cigar naturally heats up the glue and i can peel it off easily.

darkninja67 04-09-2010 06:47 PM

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I think the Brits usually left the band off. I leave it on until the burn gets close to it, then I remove the band.

thebayratt 04-09-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by darkninja67 (Post 823400)
I think the Brits usually left the band off. I leave it on until the burn gets close to it, then I remove the band.

I've heard the same about the 'Brits. They think its rude to show what you are smoking (or trying to "one up" the guy next to you with a "higher end" smoke)
I leave mine on until the ash is real close to the band. Then off it comes and goes into the collection.

darkninja67 04-09-2010 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by thebayratt (Post 823431)
I've heard the same about the 'Brits. They think its rude to show what you are smoking (or trying to "one up" the guy next to you with a "higher end" smoke)
I leave mine on until the ash is real close to the band. Then off it comes and goes into the collection.

yeah that is what I heard. My girlfriend makes collages of all our bands. They come out really nice.

elderboy02 04-09-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bishjd123 (Post 823373)
I'd guess it's a matter of personal preference. I leave the band on. I don't want to run the risk of ruining the wrapper trying to get the band off.

:tpd:

Ashcan Bill 04-09-2010 08:10 PM

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If it's loose to begin with, I slide them off before lighting up. Otherwise I leave them alone until the heat loosens the glue enough to remove them without damaging the wrapper.

All things considered, most bands look nice but are something of a hassle. I'd just as soon not have them to begin with.

I think I only have a couple cabs left without bands. :sad

maninblack 04-09-2010 08:27 PM

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I leave mine on until the ash gets to it. Don't wanna ruin a beautiful band!

wolfandwhisky 04-09-2010 08:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bvilchez (Post 823388)
I ususally leave it on until the glue is to the point where I can peel the band off. I'm not one to slide it off in danger of ruining the wrapper.

:tpd:

same here - peel 'em off when it gets easy.

Ranger_B 04-09-2010 08:39 PM

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I take mine off unless it appears that the wrapper would be damaged in doing so.

Scottw 04-09-2010 08:40 PM

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I leave mine on until the first ash falls then I slide it off unless it's a fuents, then I get the glue gun and the ice scraper to get it off.

neoflex 04-09-2010 09:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bishjd123 (Post 823373)
I'd guess it's a matter of personal preference. I leave the band on. I don't want to run the risk of ruining the wrapper trying to get the band off.

:tpd: This is my routine. I have torn too many wrappers pulling the band off before I needed to so now I tend to keep it on until I am just about smoking the thing.

wolfandwhisky 04-09-2010 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottw (Post 823508)
I leave mine on until the first ash falls then I slide it off unless it's a fuents, then I get the glue gun and the ice scraper to get it off.

ha ha ha - very true! :r

akumushi 04-09-2010 09:27 PM

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I remove the band before lighting most of the time, but I often wet the wrapper on CC's so it's a must.

jledou 04-09-2010 09:32 PM

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A couple of links on some history...take them for what you will.

http://pages.ripco.net/~whizstrt/bandinfo.htm

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...22,755,00.html

Rick Fletcher 04-09-2010 09:36 PM

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For me it is strictly bands off. I really don’t have a reason, just my preference.

bigpedunn 04-10-2010 05:12 AM

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Leave it on till the glue heats up !

GTCanuk 04-10-2010 05:54 AM

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Band on until it is about to burn, to many ruined cigars

macsauce13 04-10-2010 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jledou (Post 823546)
A couple of links on some history...take them for what you will.

http://pages.ripco.net/~whizstrt/bandinfo.htm

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...22,755,00.html

Awesome links! Learned a lot I didnt know!

mad4maduro 04-10-2010 07:06 AM

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as others have said - i tend to leave it on until the heat softens the glue....unless it is loosey goosey from the start..then i just slide her off.

T.G 04-10-2010 07:36 AM

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I leave the bands on and I like to rotate my cigar A LOT, that way everyone at the herf knows exactly how much of a swell guy I am by seeing what kind of cigar I'm smoking and how fancy the band is. In fact, sometimes I'll even move the band from a cigar I just smoked to a cigar that I'm currently smoking, that way anyone who missed the first band gets a second chance to see it.

quantim0 04-10-2010 08:05 AM

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I leave mine on. I'll take it off when the burn is a .5" or so from the band, helping it come off easier. I don't really like my fingers smelling too much like a cigar, so the band gives me something to hold without that problem.

Dunkel 04-10-2010 08:19 AM

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I always remove my bands before lighting. I have never ruined a wrapper by doing it. I guess some folks are more ham handed than others! LOL

thatswhatshesaid 04-10-2010 08:23 AM

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That would be my only reason too. The fact that I've ruined some wrappers by removing them too soon. I just didn't want to "offend" anyone in a crowd..haha like I'd care.

GTCanuk 04-10-2010 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunkel (Post 823827)
I always remove my bands before lighting. I have never ruined a wrapper by doing it. I guess some folks are more ham handed than others! LOL

Being in Canada, I smoke mostly Cubans and the bands are glued to the damn cigars. The NCs I find come off a lot easier

alwayslit 04-10-2010 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bishjd123 (Post 823373)
I'd guess it's a matter of personal preference. I leave the band on. I don't want to run the risk of ruining the wrapper trying to get the band off.

...x3:tu

thatswhatshesaid 04-10-2010 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunkel (Post 823827)
I always remove my bands before lighting. I have never ruined a wrapper by doing it. I guess some folks are more ham handed than others! LOL

Its not ham hands. Its the fact that on lighter wrappers they can make a spot where when you get to it, the cigar wrapper comes apart. Heavy wrappers don't usually have that problem.

tomc3084 04-10-2010 10:21 AM

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I always take mine of usually, unless I can feel it's on there real good and may cause some trouble.....I have heard it is bad etiquette to keep it on around others, who gives a flying crap really.....Unless your buying cigars to be a snob and show off, I doubt anyone really cares....

tomc3084 04-10-2010 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ranger_B (Post 823506)
I take mine off unless it appears that the wrapper would be damaged in doing so.

That's what she said:)

KenyanSandBoa 04-10-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tomc3084 (Post 823885)
I always take mine of usually, unless I can feel it's on there real good and may cause some trouble.....I have heard it is bad etiquette to keep it on around others, who gives a flying crap really.....Unless your buying cigars to be a snob and show off, I doubt anyone really cares....

:tpd: Same here...if it's going to damage my cigar, it stays on until I can remove it. If someone is leaving a band on to "show off", I think they have a much larger issue lurking...or smaller. :r

The Poet 04-10-2010 11:21 AM

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I have heard some say it is snobbish to leave the band on, and it should be removed. I have heard that supposedly apocryphal story about the "white gloves" need for bands in the first place. I agree that sometimes the wrapper can be damaged when one removes the band, and I also agree that the glue can often soften once the cigar has been smoked for a bit.

As for me, I'm not anal about it either way. On, off, WTF. As long as the cigar smokes fine, what do I care?

MiamiE 04-10-2010 12:11 PM

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Band on for me!

andrew 04-10-2010 12:12 PM

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I worry about how the cigar will smoke if I take the band off, possibly damage the wrapper or get sweat and oil on the wrapper from my hands. I'm not sure it would make a difference either way, but I leave them on, but not to show off (I dont have many fancy cigars anyhow).

Stinky 04-10-2010 10:50 PM

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There are a lot of legends about bands. Gustave Bock has been credited with the popularization of paper bands to identify the cigar makers in the mid 1800s. From all I've read, bands were added simply for branding.

The legend about cigar staining the white gloves of "Fancy Dans" or "Jim Dandies" comes from the late 1700s when cigars were finished with a chicory-shaded gum and rolled in a fine tobacco powder (pulverized dried leaf). This finishing process was necessary because the wrapper leaf [back then] was crude and uneven in color and finish. The powder finish provided a desirable even color but quite possibly stained the fingers or, in the case of "Jim Dandies" . . . their white gloves.

Brit's and some European cultures encourage the removal of bands as proper etiquette. However, I've been told that they remove the band and place the band on the table in front of them, thus showing what brand they are smoking! Doesn't that kind of contradict the idea of removing it for snob factor? :confused:

I take bands off when possible with no damage to the wrapper. . . usually when the burn gets close to the band which heats the glue and makes it easier to remove.

I also save bands. . . but, haven't much interest in collages. However, I would like to make a poster size Photo Mosaic using the various bands as the color pixels. Just waiting to find the right photo. :)

Rabidsquirrel 04-11-2010 07:23 AM

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I leave it on until it interferes with smoking.

Cigary 04-11-2010 11:52 AM

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I think it's just a matter of what each persons particular "thing" is. For myself, I don't keep the band on for any significant reason nor do I keep it on to impress anybody with what I am smoking. The only person I want to impress is myself and a cigar band does not present anything inherent in my view. I usually leave it on until it starts to get in the way of my smoking and then I take it off. Sometimes its useful in case some part of the wrapper starts to unravel and I use it as a band aid to cover the part that is coming apart.

Ogre 04-11-2010 02:39 PM

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I leave it on so I know what end to put put in my mouth if I set it down, LOL. Actually, some I take off, some I dont. Have not decided my preference yet.

Adriftpanda 04-11-2010 02:50 PM

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I just smoke mine

T.G 04-11-2010 05:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stinky (Post 824344)
There are a lot of legends about bands. Gustave Bock has been credited with the popularization of paper bands to identify the cigar makers in the mid 1800s. From all I've read, bands were added simply for branding.

The legend about cigar staining the white gloves of "Fancy Dans" or "Jim Dandies" comes from the late 1700s when cigars were finished with a chicory-shaded gum and rolled in a fine tobacco powder (pulverized dried leaf). This finishing process was necessary because the wrapper leaf [back then] was crude and uneven in color and finish. The powder finish provided a desirable even color but quite possibly stained the fingers or, in the case of "Jim Dandies" . . . their white gloves.

Brit's and some European cultures encourage the removal of bands as proper etiquette. However, I've been told that they remove the band and place the band on the table in front of them, thus showing what brand they are smoking! Doesn't that kind of contradict the idea of removing it for snob factor? :confused:


Thanks for the history Stinky, I knew the history part about Gustave Bock and the paper bands for branding, although I would not have been able to remember (and probably still won't) his name in conversation, but the part about the chicory powder dye was new to me.

I'll refrain from commenting on the Brits because I'd rather not get slapped with a fish.

Rabidsquirrel 04-11-2010 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 824991)
but the part about the chicory powder dye was new to me.

Ditto. I had to look it up to see what the plant looked like.

Chicory on Wiki


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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 824991)
I'll refrain from commenting on the Brits because I'd rather not get slapped with a fish.

It's been a long time since I've whipped out a TAT.

CasaDooley 04-11-2010 11:53 PM

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I like mine naked, but every now and then I find myself getting excited about leaving them dressed.



























I'm talking cigar bands ya dirty minded bunch!:r


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