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Footbag 01-27-2010 12:16 PM

Apple's iPad...
 
It's here. Given CA's love of discussing Apple products, I thought it deserved a thread.

Well here's some preliminary info...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/l...eation-event/1

Mugen910 01-27-2010 12:17 PM

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http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image...8/original.jpg

:D

ucla695 01-27-2010 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 736960)

:r :r

Footbag 01-27-2010 12:21 PM

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It'll help Apple to absorb their competition. :r

Mugen910 01-27-2010 12:22 PM

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I read somewhere it looks like an iPhone for Giants...:r but I will say at $499 starting it'll give Kindle and e-book type devices a run.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachm...5&d=1264620134

T.G 01-27-2010 12:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 736960)

And it comes in colors.... Colors everywhere... Like a rainbow... It comes in COLORS....

Footbag 01-27-2010 12:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 736967)
I read somewhere it looks like an iPhone for Giants...:r but I will say at $499 starting it'll give Kindle and e-book type devices a run.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachm...5&d=1264620134

Where did you see $400? I heard $800 or $1000 depending on the "plan". Not sure whether the plan is internet or what. At $400 it would give net books a run for their money.

Edit: Just found it. At $499, it will open up a whole new market for Apple. Very interesting.

AD720 01-27-2010 12:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Footbag (Post 736981)
Where did you see $400? I heard $800 or $1000 depending on the "plan". Not sure whether the plan is internet or what. At $400 it would give net books a run for their money.

Just found it. At $499, it will open up a whole new market for Apple. Very interesting.

Staring at $499. On the engadet live coverage (among many others).

JE3146 01-27-2010 12:34 PM

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I'd only be interested in it for note taking if it could link with my MBP, but since I'll be done with school soon, I won't have any use for it.

Cool idea, I just don't see the need for it. I read through that article and noticed they dodged one important fact (unless I just couldn't find it). What's the battery life? If it's anything less than 2.5 hours, this is a useless gadget. Period.

aich75013 01-27-2010 12:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 736986)
I'd only be interested in it for note taking if it could link with my MBP, but since I'll be done with school soon, I won't have any use for it.

Cool idea, I just don't see the need for it. I read through that article and noticed they dodged one important fact (unless I just couldn't find it). What's the battery life? If it's anything less than 2.5 hours, this is a useless gadget. Period.

10 hrs.

Footbag 01-27-2010 12:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aich75013 (Post 736990)
10 hrs.

One month standby as well.

JE3146 01-27-2010 12:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aich75013 (Post 736990)
10 hrs.

How's it worded though?

Odds are that's not factoring in WiFi activity.

AD720 01-27-2010 12:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Footbag (Post 736991)
One month standby as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 736999)
How's it worded though?

Odds are that's not factoring in WiFi activity.

I thought the same thing. It says 10 hours. My thought was 10 hours of doing what?

Footbag 01-27-2010 12:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AD720 (Post 737005)
I thought the same thing. It says 10 hours. My thought was 10 hours of doing what?

My guess is that it's 10 hrs of the screen being on.

AD720 01-27-2010 12:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Footbag (Post 737008)
My guess is that it's 10 hrs of the screen being on.

Or just maybe ebook reading and music. Video and games are going to chew up battery a lot faster. Add WIFI and/or 3G in the mix and I can't imagine the battery could last that long with a screen that big.

aich75013 01-27-2010 12:46 PM

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"What is the battery life like? We've been able to achieve 10 hours of battery life. I can take a flight from San Francisco to Tokyo and watch video the whole time. And it has over a month of standby time."

Flight time is 9hrs?
Of course there will always be a disclaimer saying depending on use.
Same goes for any device. My laptop boasts 7 hours. I doubt I can get 7 hours unless I am surfing the web and doing nothing else.

JE3146 01-27-2010 12:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aich75013 (Post 737019)
"What is the battery life like? We've been able to achieve 10 hours of battery life. I can take a flight from San Francisco to Tokyo and watch video the whole time. And it has over a month of standby time."

Flight time is 9hrs?
Of course there will always be a disclaimer saying depending on use.
Same goes for any device. My laptop boasts 7 hours. I doubt I can get 7 hours unless I am surfing the web and doing nothing else.

Video output on a screen that size will require minimal processing depending on the codec/algorithms. So battery will more or less be entirely dependent on the backlight.

So essentially they're saying you can keep the backlight on for 10 hours and run minimal processing while doing so.

Odds are that's still not factoring ~250mA a pop for WiFi data pulses. That will drain it dead quickly.

replicant_argent 01-27-2010 12:54 PM

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I imagine myself cracking that big screen because I dropped it on its face or something else as dorky.
With the touch, you can put a rubber armor case on it, and the real estate left exposed is fairly small. With the larger screen, it would be like dragging around a small lcd tv, and one mistake multiplied by chance and squared screen size would leave me with a paperweight.

markem 01-27-2010 12:55 PM

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It will be interesting where this really shakes out at in terms of usability. The touch screen keyboard is a solid idea and I think that Apple has had enough experience with these to really make them solid. But in the end, it will be the applications that make or break it. If it really is the iPhone OS, then the current iPhone apps should work, at least in some fashion, unless idiosyncrasies of the hardware are exposed to the app.

It is too big to put in your pocket or carry just about anywhere, which means that the iPhone still has a solid edge for many applications. As a DVD player it is overpriced, but the e-book feature combined with video capability and internet capability may give it an edge. Amazon has lost a bundle on the Kindle - it will be interesting to see how much of its stock price Apple is betting on being a better Kindle.

As a netbook killer, well, we'll see. As I said, it is all about the apps.

Footbag 01-27-2010 12:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 737027)
Video output on a screen that size will require minimal processing depending on the codec/algorithms. So battery will more or less be entirely dependent on the backlight.

So essentially they're saying you can keep the backlight on for 10 hours and run minimal processing while doing so.

Odds are that's still not factoring ~250mA a pop for WiFi data pulses. That will drain it dead quickly.

They rarely quote battery life with WiFi on.

Mugen910 01-27-2010 12:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markem (Post 737031)
Amazon has lost a bundle on the Kindle - it will be interesting to see how much of its stock price Apple is betting on being a better Kindle.

As a netbook killer, well, we'll see. As I said, it is all about the apps.

really? I didn't follow it much and didn't know it wasn't a huge success..

JE3146 01-27-2010 01:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 737037)
really? I didn't follow it much and didn't know it wasn't a huge success..

First I've heard of this as well.

You'd never know looking at amazon's page touting how many they've sold lol.

Mugen910 01-27-2010 01:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 737041)
First I've heard of this as well.

You'd never know looking at amazon's page touting how many they've sold lol.

phew..I wasn't the only one they fooled with advertisement :D

ucla695 01-27-2010 01:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Footbag (Post 736981)
Where did you see $400? I heard $800 or $1000 depending on the "plan". Not sure whether the plan is internet or what. At $400 it would give net books a run for their money.

Edit: Just found it. At $499, it will open up a whole new market for Apple. Very interesting.

It'll cost between $499 and $829 depending on the model. AT&T is the wireless provided. linky

Mugen910 01-27-2010 01:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 736967)
I read somewhere it looks like an iPhone for Giants...:r but I will say at $499 starting it'll give Kindle and e-book type devices a run.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachm...5&d=1264620134

Quote:

Originally Posted by ucla695 (Post 737076)
It'll cost between $499 and $829 depending on the model. AT&T is the wireless provided. linky

Thanks for the update Mike. :D

jmsremax 01-27-2010 02:05 PM

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Sell AAPL!

Oh, about the iPad.....I don't think I will be buying this.

Footbag 01-27-2010 02:13 PM

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I hate to say it, but if Internet rumblings are any indicator, this isn't going to be the great success it was expected to be. Yesterday I was thinking about doubling down on my AAPL stock. Now it's a hold.

I have to re-evaluate because I was convinced it would be $800+. That said, the glaring lack of features isn't so bothersome at $499.

GreekGodX 01-27-2010 02:32 PM

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The battery life for 10 hours was reported doing one of the features ie using wifi, reading, playing games. Not all simulatenously

Doctorossi 01-27-2010 02:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Footbag (Post 737131)
the glaring lack of features

That's funny- I didn't notice one. I'm not sure what you were expecting it to be able to do...

Footbag 01-27-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctorossi (Post 737206)
That's funny- I didn't notice one. I'm not sure what you were expecting it to be able to do...

No Multitasking, No Flash, No Camera, iPhone OS, 64GB max... More like an up-scaled iPhone then a down-scaled Mac.

If anything I would've expected it to at least be as capable as a netbook.

JE3146 01-27-2010 03:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctorossi (Post 737206)
That's funny- I didn't notice one. I'm not sure what you were expecting it to be able to do...

And it begins....

mmblz 01-27-2010 03:13 PM

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Kind of strange...

But the two most significant aspects of it, IMHO are:
1. An Apple chip
2. Unlimited bandwidth over 3G for $30 a month with NO CONTRACT. This is WAY better than anything else out there - $60 with a contract and a 5GB bandwidth cap is pretty standard....

Mugen910 01-27-2010 03:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 737231)
And it begins....

:r

hey if he likes it then all power to him.

tenbaseg 01-27-2010 03:15 PM

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I think the lack of flash support was a mistake. People can survive without it on the iPhone, but in this format, it's a must. There's just too much out there on the 'net built in flash.

JE3146 01-27-2010 03:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mmblz (Post 737234)
Kind of strange...

But the two most significant aspects of it, IMHO are:
1. An Apple chip
2. Unlimited bandwidth over 3G for $30 a month with NO CONTRACT. This is WAY better than anything else out there - $60 with a contract and a 5GB bandwidth cap is pretty standard....

I was surprised most by 2).

Pity this thing won't run Skype :D



Quote:

Originally Posted by tenbaseg (Post 737237)
I think the lack of flash support was a mistake. People can survive without it on the iPhone, but in this format, it's a must. There's just too much out there on the 'net built in flash.

I agree to this completely.

Footbag 01-27-2010 03:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mmblz (Post 737234)
Kind of strange...

But the two most significant aspects of it, IMHO are:
1. An Apple chip
2. Unlimited bandwidth over 3G for $30 a month with NO CONTRACT. This is WAY better than anything else out there - $60 with a contract and a 5GB bandwidth cap is pretty standard....

I was surprised by both of these. I do wonder how AT&T is going to manage the increased bandwidth that they've been complaining about since the release of the iPhone.
At least the users won't have a contract to try to break.

saggel 01-27-2010 03:36 PM

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I am an Apple FanBoy... but I wan not impressed!!!!

Skywalker 01-27-2010 03:36 PM

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Too cool!!!:tu

Resipsa 01-27-2010 06:00 PM

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Forget about flash:

http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash

Darrell 01-27-2010 06:02 PM

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I can't help but feel Apple should have spent their R&D time on something else. Not an oversize iPod touch. :2

Doctorossi 01-27-2010 09:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 737235)
hey if he likes it then all power to him.

I'm not saying I'm a fan; I'm just saying it's pretty much what I expected it to be.

0002S 01-28-2010 04:53 AM

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If you were expecting a pad netbook, then you're probably not impresses.

Apple is in the business of selling content and apps through mobile devices. This is another product that accomplishes this.

Once I watched the full presentation I can see where this is a fit for certain people.

The idea of ipad only apps on steroids will eventually make or break this.

It needs a video camera and robust chat feature to truely make it a bridge device between a touch and netbook/laptop. A SD slot and USB port would be great (never happen though)

I'm interested to see if it will be jailbroken and hacked to run OSX. (new chip dependant)

I'll wait for next gen and the price break.

It will kill the Kindle long term if the book store can't match the content of Amazon. (I own a Kindle 2 as reference). Either way the cost of books will come down with competition.



All and all for $100 more than the iPod touch it's not that bad (16 gig less though) of you don't need the pocketability.

Resipsa 01-28-2010 07:39 AM

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This device is going to kill the Kindle in any event, the Ibook store doesn't need to beat the prices of the Kindle store. There's already a kindle app for the iphone that will work with the ipad, if somebody wants to buy ebooks from the amazon store all they need to do is use the kindle for iphone app.

Resipsa 01-28-2010 07:40 AM

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Now this is cool:

http://gizmodo.com/5458498/apple-now...-calls-be-next

Mugen910 01-28-2010 07:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Resipsa (Post 738080)

This is cooler!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI


In all seriousness once the iPad gets unrestricted (multitasking and VOIP ) things will be better...but it is just a bigger iPhone. $5 says the next gen will have a USB port...then the 3rd gen will have HDMI output, 4th gen multitasking...and people will just keep on buying every level. :r

Resipsa 01-28-2010 07:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 738083)
This is cooler!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI


In all seriousness once the iPad gets unrestricted (multitasking and VOIP ) things will be better...but it is just a bigger iPhone. $5 says the next gen will have a USB port...then the 3rd gen will have HDMI output, 4th gen multitasking...and people will just keep on buying every level. :r

Uh yeah, that was hilarious:rolleyes:

you should really let people know a link isn't safe for
work when you post it:)

Mugen910 01-28-2010 07:58 AM

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Sorry Vic...I didn't it was not safe for work...that skit is from 2007 I think.

ucla695 01-28-2010 08:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 738083)
In all seriousness once the iPad gets unrestricted (multitasking and VOIP ) things will be better...but it is just a bigger iPhone. $5 says the next gen will have a USB port...then the 3rd gen will have HDMI output, 4th gen multitasking...and people will just keep on buying every level. :r

This is exactly why I'm not an early adopter anymore. :)

CigarNut 01-28-2010 08:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Resipsa (Post 738079)
This device is going to kill the Kindle in any event, the Ibook store doesn't need to beat the prices of the Kindle store. There's already a kindle app for the iphone that will work with the ipad, if somebody wants to buy ebooks from the amazon store all they need to do is use the kindle for iphone app.

Unless the text is clearer on the iPad than it is on the iPhone this will not be a Kindle killer.

The readablity of the Kindle far outstrips the iPhone. Staring at a iPhone reading a book is an eye-killer. Plus the Kindle is half the cost of the basic iPad.

If the iPad ever incorporates the e-ink technology then it would be a Kindle killer.

Resipsa 01-28-2010 08:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 738099)
Sorry Vic...I didn't it was not safe for work...that skit is from 2007 I think.

No problem bro. Just wanted to get a warning out there


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