McGwire Admits to Steroids......
 

....during home run race with Sammy.

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Wow, who'd ever think that he was on them. hahahaha. What a putz.

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Shocking:D

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We can file that one under "duh".

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:r
The only one that didn't know he was on them was him.:r

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McGwire says, "It's the first time they've ever heard me, you know, talk about this. I hid it from everybody."


Uh, no you didn't. :r

The andro was always the red herring.

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Surprise surprise!!

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Oh, NOW he wants to talk about the past. What an ass. Can't believe he got votes for the HOF. :td

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Apparently, when a check is on the line, it's time to talk about the past. Not when testifying, under oath, in front of a Senate Committee. :rolleyes:

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+1

Stay classy McGwire :td

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geez, I live an ocean away, baseball is just a minor sport over here, and even I knew back then that he used steroids.

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:tpd:+2 though i'm not surprised.

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It's incredible how obvious it is and that these guys still flatly deny it. It's insulting really.

Does anyone believe for a second that Bonds wasn't juicing?

If so I've got some prime Alaskan beach front property you may be interested in...

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We've also got a bridge in Brooklyn...

Andrew & Andrew Real Estate.

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:r

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Turns out Jose was right about many/most things!

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Actually McGwire never denied using. In the federal jury trial he repeated, "I'm not here to talk about the past".

He's only doing this so 1. People will forgive him 2. He won't face questions about it during spring training coaching the Cards 3. Getting into the HOF.

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1. People will forgive him (I bet most won't)

2. He won't face questions about it during spring training coaching the Cards
(It's gonna be a circus)

3. Getting into the HOF (not bloody likely)

Still give him some props for having cajones though...bet Bonds and Sosa don't.

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OMG! Say it aint so. I'm so surprised....... Not

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Sammy has cajones for doing this to himself. :r

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Sammy, to quote a friend from Boston, is "*uckin' retahted". ;)

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At least he was man enough to admit his mistakes. I have to give him props for that. I betcha that cocky ass Bonds goes to his grave denying he used roids. And Sosa, who cares.

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As long as Griffey is never linked to them, then I don't care.

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I give him credit for at least manning up to it. I rooted for him back then, and I still like him!

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WTF?!?!?!?!
Is that real?!?!

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Yes- he said he was doing some kind of skin treatment that went awry.

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I'm surprised he copped to it.

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Roger Maris - Still the single season HR King. :tu

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Sosa went all MJ on us?

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I just don't care that much because it seemed everyone was on it. I'm shocked the NFL has not been put under the microscope more for possible enhancement products. It seems that the concussion stuff has moved to the forefront as it should. I wonder how he will do as a hitting coach.

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Everyone seems to forget that Mac was facing possible federal charges for his testimony before Congress. He did what any first year law student would advise a client in those circumstances, he basically pled the 5th. He asked for immunity from several Senators in exchange for testimony and when he was told no, he did the right thing by not lying. I'm not saying what the players did was right, but 98 brought me(and alot of people that have since forgotten) back to baseball after the labor issues of the early-mid 90s. How come Yankees fans harp on Mac, but A-Rod gets a free pass? He denied everything until it was impossible to.

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Yankees fan here that doesn't give A-Rod a free pass at all.
I think all these idiots should have all their records wiped clean.
They played dirty, lose your records. That goes for A-Rod's home runs, hits, etc.
He plays clean now, count that only. Give him props for what he does NOW, such as in this year's WS.

As such, I have no respect for McGwire. While the '98 season was exciting, it turned out to be a big fat lie. Give Marris his record back.
I don't see McGwire "manning" up as all say. The only reason he is doing this now is to benefit his wallet with his new job. If he was really "manning" up, he would have done it long ago, in spite of pending charges. Screw all these cheaters. Any of them. Some say he didn't lie as he never answered the questions so therefore that is OK? If a murderer doesn't admit to it therefore not lying, is omission an excuse to justify it?

McGwire can now officially take his place in baseball's darkest era.

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It was a big fat lie made possible by many people willing to turn a blind eye. Did everyone really believe that "juiced" baseballs were the cause of the offensive explosion, or were we just happy to bury our heads in the sand? Does that make it right, no. But it certainly does not put a baseball player on par with a murderer. And I think baseballs darkest era's probably involved rampant racsism and widespread abuse of alcohol and cocaine.

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I agree many knew, including baseball, and turned an eye.

Disagree with the darkest era. I think steroids takes the cake by a long shot.

The murderer analogy is not what you took it as.
It was to illustrate that "omission" does not make it right because "he never lied" as some have said or because he was advised by a first year law student as you have said.
In other words, because you didn't answer the questions forthright, therefore you didn't lie? That is BS and analogous to a murderer not admitting to a murder by never answer the question, "did you do it"?. So now he is "manning" up because he finally admits to it.:rolleyes:

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I'm not saying he is "manning up" now. I read the interview, and I still think it falls short of the full truth. I do however understand why he did not answer to congress. To be quite honest, I am still pissed that Congress wasted time on baseball in the midst of 2 wars and an economy that was starting to show danger signs. I am one of the few people left in the US that would rather watch a baseball game over any other sporty, but still think it is nowhere near important enough for Congress to be involved. And we will have to agree to disagree on darkest era. I still think there were many more moraly reprehensable things that took place in the game then an era when steroids were used by many. Don't forget pitchers were using too.

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He could have come clean the next year if he wanted and not had to worry about the law issues. It did not benefit him to come clean until now.

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Bingo!

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It is the same with most of these guys also A-Rod & Pettitte included.

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Don't disagree at all.
I think they are all scum for having been cheaters.
One thing is if no one knew the effects of it or if it wasn't banned.
They did it knowing fully well.

It is truly a shame.
Hank and Marris have been screwed by cheaters and no one is doing anything at this time to fix it so at least one of them does not continue to roll in his grave.

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The biggest problem is MLB knew about it and condoned it for years because it was making everyone money from it. I feel bad for all the players who played the game straight.

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It was not banned by baseball at the time. Illegal yes, but not banned by the rules of the game. Many here may want to be careful about condeming someone for ingesting an illegal substance or item. I must say it is good to talk baseball with those that obviously care for the game, even if it is in disagreement. It is getting harder to find folks that still enjoy it.

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Being illegal makes it cheating. The fact that there was no punishment for using it during the time does not matter. If you used illegal steroids you broke the law. You took an item that gave you a competitive edge over your peers and to do that you committed a crime. That is cheating.

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:tpd: I agree to an extent.
How does steroids truly give someone a competitive edge over others? Everyone has a choice whether to take them or not. Some chose to; others don't. An unsafe choice that many will choose not to make. Everyone has to decide. Some choose to work hard in the offseason and train all year long; others don't. It's a personal choice that everyone makes, whether legal, moral, or not. So those who train hard in the offseason have an advantage over those who don't. I don't condone the use of steroids, just posting a thought.

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Where do cortisone and HGH fall in? Not really performance enhancers so are they all right? They do provide an "unnatural" advantage over pain and injury.

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Serious?
Just go back and look at Bonds, Canseco, McGwire and Sosa. All were sticks when they joined MLB.
Then look at the explosion their bodies took post what was evident to be steroid use. You can clearly see at what point they started.
While that doesn't help them see the ball any better, when they do connect, I assure you those built up bodies will drive it quite a bit further than when they were skinny. And what is it they all did well? Hit home runs. Hmmm........
That is only the surface of what steroid use did for them. Lots more it can do and hence the reason for it making them blatant cheaters.

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Not even in the same league.
One relieves pain. The other enhances strength/endurance/speed.
Even if they were remotely for one second in the same league, one is approved, the other is not.
Perhaps someday they will determine cortisone use is now illegal. At that point, so it will be. Today, it is not.

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Looks like Mark and others were holding out for some immunity on the issue before they testified before congress a few years ago that led to the "I don't want to talk about the past" statements. A lot of it seems to be protection for his family and other players who were involved. McGwire apparently told Congress behind closed doors that he did use steroids but he didn't want to 'throw anyone under the bus' in front of Congress, and wanted to stay away from prosecution. :tu

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agreed 100 percent

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He admitted to taking a drug that he found out later was Steroids. Remember "the clear" and "the cream"? They were both Andro-gels.

I am curious as to what McGwire took. I have a feeling it was Nandrolone if he was using it to recover from injuries.

Funny about McGwire's quote that he did not take much so he wouldn't get huge and look like Arnold or a bodybuilder... Dude, did you ever look in the mirror in the late 90's? You were huge! I remember seeing him at a restaurant when they were in town against the Sox. I had no idea who he was, but I told my friend, "Look at that knuckle dragger... That guy is big!"