Black sheep from Holts?
 

I posted a thread about dark oily maduro wrapper cigars. And I was browsing thru the holts catalog and I seen a cigar called the Black Sheep. How are these? Any thought on their taste as a dark maduro?

http://www.holts.com/category.html?i...71&trail=86665

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At $ 21.95 for a bundle of 20...not sure!! There are some cheap gems out there. Might be a diamond in the rough.

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I seem to remember a friend trying one and having his lips turn black. Might be a dye job on those.

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Purchased some, and they are not very good, and are, indeed, dyed in the wool. ;s

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I posted a link to those in your other thread as a joke. They are drippy maduros all right, drippy with dye covering sh!t tobacco.

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Until then I can't say that I had ever even heard of them

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i carnt realy coment as i have never had one but i have a feeling that '' oil spill'' is the right word but for 20 odd dollers just get them to try and its no big loss if thay suck

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Good enough guys thanks! Guess it would be too good to be true. I seen these from Taboo.. These look tasty, and hopefully legit.

http://taboocigars.com/category.sc?categoryId=64

What ya guys think on these

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Sooner or later you are going to have to bite the bullet and buy something. On your cigar journey, you will find smokes you like and ones you don't. No matter how many cigars you ask about, most if not all will have those that like them and those that don't
:2

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Buy 'em, and get a small cooler for the smokes you don't care for. When it tops out...send them to the troops. I know that sounds bad on the surface, but believe me, they appreciate all stogies. A lot of the guys smoke cigars. The trick is finding a source that can get them delivered to the folks who are in the field.

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I have a few friends that are in the sand now, thats a good idea. I seen the troops forum here and I seen a few guys send sticks to them.

And yeah I will have to pull the gun pnoon like you said...

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Or a turd in the punchbowl. ;)

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Not a good visual Tom! :r

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Not the "visual" I am worried about, Bill. ;) :r

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Those are well blended, well made cigars, abeit they are mild. Not sure what you mean by "legit" - if you mean dyed wrappers, they don't appear to be enhanced from the ones I've smoked.

For my money at Taboo, I prefer the Special Forces Original, which is a much stronger, fuller, spicier blend. I will also admit that I do like Costa Rican Maduro wrappers which is what the SF Original uses.

Both are good cigars, just depends on what you like.

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So elegantly put Tom!! :tu

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If you were paying attention,you would have seen a damn site more than "a few guys send sticks" to them.

It is the biggest and most important ongoing operation going on here.

Thanks for noticing.

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/\ Relax haha, I never clicked on those links much because I dont have any to send myself. SO I never took interest in reading them until I was able to send some.

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Brilliant. Talk smack to an admin. That should get you far.

Read more. Post less. Take some time to learn about what this place is all about. :2


haha :rolleyes:

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Taboo makes very good quality cigars. Not all fit my flavor preferences, but I've never had one that was poorly made. Very good value for money too. I particularly like the Dominican Maduro.

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Heed this advice, it's helped me tremendously. :tu

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Holts' "Old Henry" has a very fine maduro.

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I second the Old Henry...one of the best yardies you will ever smoke :tu

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:tpd: Along with the Tampa Sweetheart #500s and Sancho Panza Double Maduro Quixotes...some of the best value maduros out there. :tu

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I wasnt talking smack, and why would I read on something I'm not going to partake in? crazy huh

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To get educated. crazy huh

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Thanks.:tu

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On sending cigars to troops? I did not have any to send, so why would I read on it. I'll read on it when I want to/can take part in it.

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Dude, you're digging yourself a grave here...

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To educate yourself on what and how we do things here. The best advice I ever received is to read everything on the board because you will learn much more than you thought you ever would, simply by accident. Example: if you search for something and don't get exactly what you are searching for, read it anyway. There is a great chance you will learn something before you even think to ask.

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ITs all good. Internet tuff guys. I dont come here to start anything, its them on me. Its whatever tho.

Thanks for the advice, I see now... I'll just read it like you said even if I dont need it. Thanks NCRadioMan :tu

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:tpd: Let it go playa:ss

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For the record, we are not internet tuff guys. Far from it. We are a family here and we are trying to get you to think for yourself and not have to hold your hand through every step of this hobby. Almost every question you have asked has been asked and answered many times. I think we have been very patient trying to help but there comes a time when jr. must spread his wings and fly. So fly, research (which is half the fun, imo) and have fun with this obsession of ours. :tu

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:tpd:just quit while you are ahead bro. Just let this one die out.

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This guy has been on my case since day one haha

Alright I'll try. :)

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The administrators have to monitor every post in every thread. They've seen certain questions a million times This one can finished easily. First just let it go. Secondly keep monitoring the threads and read past threads (you will eventually is see the same questions asked several times). Finally come up with a new good question that's never been asked.:D

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I know I see what radio was talking about. I'll just go and read everything even if it doesnt pertain to what I'm looking for.

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I don't think anyone is trying to be mean.

I think I know how you're feeling ... new to cigars and trying to make intelligent purchases instead of just buying one of everything. If you're like me you've got to stretch those dollars as far as you can. But I originally ran into the "kid in the candy store" problem - that looks good, no wait that looks good too, oh wait these look awesome, ooh what's that in the corner, and on like that till I almost had cold feet about buying anything. :D

Anyway, the best you can do is read as much as reasonably possible, find something on sale (or not) and take the plunge. Seriously, there are probably 500 different maduros out there and by the time you read about ALL of them and made your decision they would be discontinued! :r

As for the other knowledge to be found here, NCRadioMan is right. Searching for one thing can lead you down the breadcrumb trail of knowledge to nuggets you never even considered! That's just part of becoming knowledgeable about a hobby and THIS place is the best on the net for having a good knowledge base and knowledgeable smokers (FOGs are your friend!).

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aaaaaaaah, poor baby.

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Don't flatter yourself Troll. Just keep posting to your own threads.

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I think that's a little harsh. The O.P. may have been a little too defensive in his earlier responses, but imo, his posts haven't risen to Troll level? I also, haven't read all of his posts on other threads, so if I'm missing a pattern… my bad. :ss

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I think I made that clear.

It appears that you are determined to do things your own way and ignore the advice of admins and members alike.

You have an opportunity to learn. To do so, you must listen and read. Then read some more.

A troll? I think not. But you certainly are making things more difficult for yourself.

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I kinda like the irony that you are turning yourself into the black sheep of CA in a topic about black sheeps.

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Ill take the bashing but come on. Im done now haha Let it be. Im not troll status yet.

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If you are talking about being bashed then you still don't get it. Maybe one day you will.

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I love them and have boughten a box but are the SP dbl maddies dyed?

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Stay away from Victor Sinclair, their dyed.

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What do they dye the cigars with? and why just to mock a dark Maduro?

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The dye is made from the crushed stalks of the tobacco plants.

"mock"? Do you mean "make"?

If so, yes, these days it's primarily for looks and color enhancements or to even out the color across splotchy/unevenly colored wrappers.

I don't think any reputable manufacturer would use the old maduro-matic steam ovens followed by a dye job of the boom days for curing wrappers anymore.