Originally Posted by TSN

Chicago Blackhawks forward Patrick Kane and his cousin were arrested early Sunday morning for assaulting and robbing a cab driver in Buffalo, according to several news sources in that city.

According to a police report, the 20-year-old Kane and his cousin James M. Kane, 21, were arrested around 5am et after allegedly punching the cabbie after he said he did not have proper change for their trip fare.

The report says the cab fare was $13.80 and the Kanes handed the driver $15. He claims he had only $1 change and was not in possession of another twenty cents to give back. According to the police report, both Kanes took their money back and punched the cabbie in the face and head.

Both men have been charged with second-degree robbery, fourth-degree criminal mischief and theft of services.

The NHL is working with the local police department in trying to assemble the details.

Kane, a Buffalo native, had attended a press conference with the mayor to announce funding for a local rink earlier in the evening.

WGRZ.com says the driver appeared to have suffered cuts to his face as well as damage to his glasses.

Buffalo's WIVB is reporting that an attorney for the Kanes has entered a plea of not guilty in City court. Source:http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=287230

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 501790)

While I would not condone it, I can see this guy getting pelted with quarters by drunk hockey fans.

Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes (Post 501816)

Yeah, wouldn't a tip of $1.20, or even just $0.20 have been assumed by the clients.

Of course, I never understood why cabbies should get tipped. I mean, you are tipping them for doing their job by driving you around, which you are also paying them for. By all means, tip the guy if your bags are extra heavy, if someone in your group is being an ass, if someone throws up in the car (tip a whole lot), etc, but I hate that you have to tip for something you are paying them for already.

Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes (Post 501816)

Yeah, wouldn't a tip of $1.20, or even just $0.20 have been assumed by the clients.

Of course, I never understood why cabbies should get tipped. I mean, you are tipping them for doing their job by driving you around, which you are also paying them for. By all means, tip the guy if your bags are extra heavy, if someone in your group is being an ass, if someone throws up in the car (tip a whole lot), etc, but I hate that you have to tip for something you are paying them for already.

Originally Posted by Clampdown (Post 501829)

Not sure I follow this logic. Cabbies, I believe, pay for their own gas and generally dont own the car they are driving. Furthermore, if you're drunk or in need of a ride they are doing you a service by taking you some place and getting you there as quickly as they can (if they are being honest). If you have this mentality then why tip a waiter, barber, pizza delivery guy, parking attendant etc, they are just doing their job as well. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Prefy (Post 501881)

:tpd:Hopefully there is more to the story...otherwise its a shame.

Originally Posted by Clampdown (Post 501829)

Not sure I follow this logic. Cabbies, I believe, pay for their own gas and generally dont own the car they are driving. Furthermore, if you're drunk or in need of a ride they are doing you a service by taking you some place and getting you there as quickly as they can (if they are being honest). If you have this mentality then why tip a waiter, barber, pizza delivery guy, parking attendant etc, they are just doing their job as well. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by alley00p (Post 501913)

[soapbox mode]
Regardless of how you feel about tipping people, is it worth to punch someone over .20? He probably had enough money in his wallet to buy the friggin cab! If you're a cheap bastage, take the dang dollar bill back from the guy and get out of his cab! Instead, they take all their money back, punch the guy and leave him sitting there, bleeding. Geez, it's a cab, not a hockey arena!

I'm sure they will plead that they were drunk or hungover, after partying all night. And they will probably both get a slap on the wrist and some community service.

This whole incident disgusts me! :c [/soapbox mode]

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Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes (Post 501911)

See, I see cabbies as more closely resembling the tip jar at the counter. At a restaurant, the waiter(ess) is providing a service on top of the product being sold (the food). A cabbie's service is the product in a sense as you are paying directly for that service. Barber I would put in the same category as a cabbie, meaning unless they've gone above what is expected of them on average, there is no need to tip unless you want to. Delivery men are more like waitresses, although they deserve less of a tip since they aren't "waiting" on you. Parking attendant I put in the same category as the cabbie, actually, even a lesser category.

Don't get me wrong here, I tip my barber, I generally tip cabbies, although I don't take cabs much at all (it's been a year or more since) and I am a good tipper at restaurants unless the wait staff has been just terrible. It just seems that tipping is getting out of control in recent years. I mean, why tip the sandwich "artist" at subway? Ridiculous!

Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes (Post 501911)

See, I see cabbies as more closely resembling the tip jar at the counter. At a restaurant, the waiter(ess) is providing a service on top of the product being sold (the food). A cabbie's service is the product in a sense as you are paying directly for that service. Barber I would put in the same category as a cabbie, meaning unless they've gone above what is expected of them on average, there is no need to tip unless you want to. Delivery men are more like waitresses, although they deserve less of a tip since they aren't "waiting" on you. Parking attendant I put in the same category as the cabbie, actually, even a lesser category.

Don't get me wrong here, I tip my barber, I generally tip cabbies, although I don't take cabs much at all (it's been a year or more since) and I am a good tipper at restaurants unless the wait staff has been just terrible. It just seems that tipping is getting out of control in recent years. I mean, why tip the sandwich "artist" at subway? Ridiculous!

Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 501919)

If it's their job do you tip them?

Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes (Post 501941)

Not sure exactly what you are asking, but I think I bolded the answer to your question in my quote above.

Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 501952)

Do you tip the chef/cook?

Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes (Post 501961)

I don't leave a unique tip for them, no. I believe that some restaurants split tips between the staff so indirectly I may have before. Of course, chefs and cooks are paid differently than wait staff.

Is it commonplace to tip a chef directly? (assuming the order was directly off the menu)

Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 501992)

Ok Im done hijacking the thread :)

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 502044)

Million Dollar contracts and dumber than &^%$ when it comes to common sense.

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 502048)

Like military contractors? ;) :r

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 502044)

Okay, I'm throwing the Penalty Flag at Sauer Grapes for Unsportsmanlike Conduct!!!:)

#1 - WHATEVER you tip the waiter/waitress is split between the Host (the jacka$$ that asks "how many in your party") and the Bartender - no MATTER if you had drinks or not. The Chef/Cook doesn't get sh*t. Anyone who has ever waited tables knows this.

#2 - You use a cabbie/hack to get you from Point A to Point B as fast as you can, right?? You're not paying for the scenic route, right?? So, in effect, you are actually relying upon his/her knowledge to get to/through and in/around any traffic/congestion as fast as they can, right?? and THAT DOESN'T DESERVE A TIP??

:td

Okay, rant mode off.

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 502095)

No worries Sauer, that's why I threw the "Flag"!!!

:D

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 502077)

that's the best you can come up with??

that's it??

:rolleyes:

When were ANY of these ""professional"" athletes in a life or death situation?

This kid was 20 years old. TWENTY.

You wanna compare Blackwater/Xe with these imbeciles??

let's compare the qualifications then, while we're at it.

Ice skating, hitting a puck, beating a cabbie. Wow...real tough.

Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 502139)

getting paid miilions of dollars to skate and hit a puck is ridiculous.

Getting paid millions of dollars and beating a hack up over 20 cents??

Pathetic.

And you are right about contractors. But show me ONE that gets paid MILLIONS of dollars to play 82 times in an ENTIRE year. (hockey season)

:r

Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 502151)

I'm in the wrong line of work :bh

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 502155)

Me too Perry...me too. :r

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 501917)

I am waiting for all the facts before condemning Kane. :2