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Mugen910 06-24-2009 10:24 AM

The Pacific....
 
Found this on another forum...


I guess it's just like Band Of Brothers...but in the Pacific.. I cannot wait..same directors too!


Video

adampc22 06-24-2009 10:31 AM

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looks sweet

adampc22 06-24-2009 10:33 AM

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more crying at the end

taltos 06-24-2009 10:34 AM

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Not coming out until next year.

Mugen910 06-24-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by adampc22 (Post 438223)
more crying at the end

:(

adampc22 06-24-2009 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 438226)
:(

u telling me u didnt cry at the end of band of brothers ? lol

bigloo 06-24-2009 11:47 AM

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Is this based on a book too. BOB is one of the best 10 hrs of film you can watch!

Mugen910 06-24-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by adampc22 (Post 438373)
u telling me u didnt cry at the end of band of brothers ? lol

No...but it was a real tear jerker when I saw the old dudes recalling the story. ;)

ActionAndy 06-24-2009 12:08 PM

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Band of Brothers on Blu Ray is absolutely the raddest way to spend time in front of your home theater. Really looking forward to this--I feel like the Pacific theater doesn't get as much attention (though the Eastwood movies did give them some). Possibly because Nazis/Germans are the go-to tv/movie villain?

bigloo 06-24-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ActionAndy (Post 438404)
Band of Brothers on Blu Ray is absolutely the raddest way to spend time in front of your home theater. Really looking forward to this--I feel like the Pacific theater doesn't get as much attention (though the Eastwood movies did give them some). Possibly because Nazis/Germans are the go-to tv/movie villain?



I think this mainly has to do with a 1:1 battle in the most part in the pacific. Europe was a true world war. The Pacific was small in comparison and the ending was quick. Then take into account that Japan quickly rebuilt and became a strong US alley. But I agree, the Pacific deserves more face time as it was a brutal war fought by brave soldiers too.

ucla695 06-24-2009 08:21 PM

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I can't wait to see this. I'm a huge fan of BOB and tt's great to see that Steven and Tom are at it again. :tu

WildBlueSooner 06-24-2009 09:09 PM

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This looks amazing...I cannot wait!

JE3146 06-24-2009 09:22 PM

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I will be watching this. I will be owning this. I will be rewatching this. Nuff said.

I've watched my DVD set of Band of Brothers maybe 40 times. I've watched the blu-ray set another dozen times.

Never gets old. Greatest pieces of film in my generation. Period.

VirtualSmitty 06-24-2009 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bigloo (Post 438453)
I think this mainly has to do with a 1:1 battle in the most part in the pacific. Europe was a true world war. The Pacific was small in comparison and the ending was quick. Then take into account that Japan quickly rebuilt and became a strong US alley.

I'm not sure I can agree with any of this :confused:

Looking forward to the series tho :tu

bigloo 06-24-2009 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 439319)
I'm not sure I can agree with any of this :confused:

Looking forward to the series tho :tu


Which part?

VirtualSmitty 06-25-2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bigloo (Post 439368)
Which part?

All of it. The Pacific was not a 1 on 1 affair. Japan had been at war with China for much longer and was at with the Commonwealth forces. Russia also jumped in at the end. I don't think i'd call the battles of Midway, Guadalcanal, Okinawa, Iwo Jima, Leyte Gulf, small affairs. It wasn't shorter, it began in 1942 and ended in 1945 . And it took not one, but two Atomic bombs to get them to surrender. And the Japanese surrendered after the Germans so i'm not sure i'd call the ending quick.

bigloo 06-25-2009 10:10 AM

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The Russians has a few border wars with the Japanese after the war in Europe ended, not much else. Although Japan invaded China and drew massive response from the Soviets, this was not the 1942-45 Pacific war, this happened in the late 30's. Also European "participated" in the Paicific but was too busy picking up the pieces to really get involved, the support was small. I think the war in Europe was much bigger than that in the Pacific. I am not playing down the Pacific war (of 1942-45), just giving a reason why it does not get as much coverage. It does boil down to Japan vs. USA though. Sure the Aussies had people in their, I believe so did the Thailand, but the vast vast majority of forces can from two countries. The war in China is even more unreported/filmed then the other wars. Millions of Chinese died at the hands of the Japenese and this gets almost no coverage.

Cigargal 06-25-2009 10:15 AM

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There are tons of movies about the Pacific theatre

Sands of Iwo Jima
Guadacanal Diary
Back to Bataan
Flying Tigers
Bridge over the River Kwai
Pearl Harbour
30 Seconds Over Tokyo
Father Goose
From Here to Eternity

Just to name a few off the top of my head. I am sure you can think of others

adampc22 06-25-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bigloo (Post 439852)
The Russians has a few border wars with the Japanese after the war in Europe ended, not much else. Although Japan invaded China and drew massive response from the Soviets, this was not the 1942-45 Pacific war, this happened in the late 30's. Also European "participated" in the Paicific but was too busy picking up the pieces to really get involved, the support was small. I think the war in Europe was much bigger than that in the Pacific. I am not playing down the Pacific war (of 1942-45), just giving a reason why it does not get as much coverage. It does boil down to Japan vs. USA though. Sure the Aussies had people in their, I believe so did the Thailand, but the vast vast majority of forces can from two countries. The war in China is even more unreported/filmed then the other wars. Millions of Chinese died at the hands of the Japenese and this gets almost no coverage.

what about the british forces thay were fighting the japanese there years before america joined the war in places like singapor borneo burma hong kong most of south east asia and even northern india

Mugen910 06-25-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cigargal (Post 439859)
There are tons of movies about the Pacific theatre
Just to name a few off the top of my head. I am sure you can think of others


Sands of Iwo Jima (Liked)
Guadacanal Diary (didn't see)
Back to Bataan (didn't see)
Flying Tigers (didn't see)
Bridge over the River Kwai (didn't see)
Pearl Harbour (eh)
30 Seconds Over Tokyo (didn't see)
Father Goose (didn't see)
From Here to Eternity (didn't see)

Thanks for the info...

Thanks guys for the History lesson.

bigloo 06-25-2009 03:55 PM

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I dont think anyone here is wrong. This began as an argument based on 1942-1945 (see posts above). That is why I purposefully put that in my post too. 37-42 was totally different. But post 1942, when the US got involeved this was a Japan/US war, the rest of the world was running on fumes. Although this just does not sound right, the Pacific war pales in comparison to the European ar in casulties. Why does it not sond right, well probably ~5 million died in the pacific war, that is a lot of people to still be the "smaller" casulty list.

M1903A1 06-25-2009 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by adampc22 (Post 440263)
what about the british forces thay were fighting the japanese there years before america joined the war in places like singapor borneo burma hong kong most of south east asia and even northern india

Sigh...has the world already forgotten the Battling Bastards of Bataan and Corregidor, who held off superior Japanese forces for over four months in 1941-42 and inflicted three times the casualties before being overrun?

The Russians actually had an earlier involvement in the Asian war that has been almost forgotten. In 1940(?), at Changkufeng and Nomonhan (high points on the Russian-Mongolian border) the Japanese Kwantung Army tangled with the Red Army, and at Nomonhan the Soviets (under the leadership of an obscure general named Georgi Zhukov) employed superior tanks and infantry tactics to kick the Japanese' ass inside out. It was the Japanese' first engagement with a modern opponent, a chance to learn and adopt their tactics...and instead they swept the whole thing under the rug.

VirtualSmitty 06-25-2009 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bigloo (Post 440316)
Why does it not sond right, well probably ~5 million died in the pacific war, that is a lot of people to still be the "smaller" casulty list.

That is not right. Most conservative estimates put China at 3 million combat deaths and 25 million civilian deaths. Japan over two million causalities and half a million civilian deaths. Add in the US, Commonwealth, and Phillipino losses and you have a pretty hefty number.

ucla695 01-22-2010 10:13 AM

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This is coming out in March! I can’t wait!

Linky

CasaDooley 01-22-2010 11:10 AM

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Gentlemen, my father (who is still alive) fought in the pacific in WWII and I'm pretty sure he'll tell ya it was a sh*t storm there just like over in Europe. To the men and women who were in the thick of it on the ground, on the water or in the air, the war was only as big as your/their eyes could see and it sucked no matter what part of the world they were in.
BTW, I too cannot wait for the new series to come out!:tu

JackSchwartz 01-22-2010 11:19 AM

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I've read two of the books they say "The Pacific" series is partly based on. "Helmet for My Pillow" by Robert Leckie and "With the Old Breed at Peleliu and Okinawa" by Eugene Sledge. Both of them are excellent reads. I read Robert Leckie's book first which ended up being perfect because if you read both books back-to-back it kind of follows a chronological order. Leckie first entered the Pacific Theater at Guadalcanal and was done by the battle of Peleliu. Sledge started at Peleliu and was done after the battle of Okinawa.

I was on quite a WWII kick for a while. I read "Band of Brothers" along with the two books mentioned above right in a row. Then I moved on to a book called "The Marines of Autumn" by James Brady. This one is historical fiction about the Korean War.

I can't wait for "The Pacific" to start. Without taking anything away from the soldiers who fought in Europe, the battles in the Pacific were so brutal and savage I can't keep myself from wondering what this new series is going to look like. I've also watches Band of Brothers so many times I've lost count. If this Pacific series is even close to as good as Band of Brothers I'll be happy.


Eric

Mugen910 01-22-2010 11:20 AM

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I'd like to shake your father's hand, Kevin.

I can't wait till see this show.

jack I read the Sledge book...that's a really good read for any military or war buff.

JackSchwartz 01-22-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 729875)
I'd like to shake your father's hand, Kevin.

I can't wait till see this show.

jack I read the Sledge book...that's a really good read for any military or war buff.

I think the Sledge book is definitely an easier read compared to "Helmet for My Pillow". Sledge's book is set up in more of a memoir style. I've seen "Helmet" refered to as a sort of epic poem. The crappy thing is there are so few of both books in print that the price can be a little high for them. I picked up Band of Brothers, brand new, for something like $.98. The two books about the Pacific were around $10 or $12 each for new paperbacks. They were both well worth the pirce, however.


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