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BlackDog 06-20-2009 02:16 PM

How to Make a Good Martini
 
I don't recall that I've ever had a martini before, and I'm interested in trying some. I know that the measurements of vermouth to gin are critical. Would some of you be good enough to recommend your brands of gin and vermouth, and the ratio you use? Olive, onion, or twist? Thanks!

pnoon 06-20-2009 02:20 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Here's a good thread for gins.
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=157

I like my martinis about 5 to 1 (~ 1/2 capful per generous 2 shots of gin). Shaken vigorously and strained into a martini glass with 2 olives.

Experiment with the vermouth. Some folks believe having the bottle in the same room is plenty. ;) I prefer a splash.

The Poet 06-20-2009 02:23 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Pour the vermouth into the pitcher, over rocks. Pour the vermouth OUT of the pitcher, leaving in the rocks. Add the gin/vodka, but make it a good one - no cheepo only fit for mixing. Shake/stir slightly, so not to bruise the martini - i.e., melt too much ice that waters down the cocktail. I prefer olives - at least two. Sip, don't chug. Repeat as required.

Stock dry vermouth is fine - don't waste money on better. Spend that on Tanqueray or better gin (Sapphire?), Absolut or better vodka (Gray Goose?)

BigCat 06-20-2009 03:01 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 432742)

I like my martinis about 5 to 1 (~ 1/2 capful per generous 2 shots of gin). Shaken vigorously and strained into a martini glass with 2 olives.

Experiment with the vermouth. Some folks believe having the bottle in the same room is plenty. ;) I prefer a splash.

My thoughts exactly! Well, except for the olive part - I prefer a twist of lemon.

mmblz 06-20-2009 03:27 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 432744)
Stock dry vermouth is fine - don't waste money on better. Spend that on Tanqueray or better gin (Sapphire?), Absolut or better vodka (Gray Goose?)

Stock vermouth CAN be fine - Martini & Rossi, the most common type, is. However, I've also been to stores that only have Gallo Vermouth - which has an entirely different flavor (much worse for a martini, IMHO).

Absolut, for a martini??? :pu

Gin: North Shore, Hendricks, Bombay Sapphire, Plymouth, Bulldog, Beefeater

Vodka (can hardly remember, I stopped drinking it a while back): Armadale, Youri Dolgorouki, Xellent, Turi, Belvedere

qwerty1500 06-20-2009 04:10 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Shaken ... it's an art ... you don't want melted water it it ... but get it COLD ... I often shake it, pour it and stick the martini in the freezer for a few minutes.

Two olives ... not flavored olives ... get the big ones

Don't be afraid of the vermouth (otherwise it's just cold gin) ... at least a splash if not a touch more ... this is very much a matter of personal taste. I second the Martini and Rossi vermouth ... the fresher the better. And, don't skimp on getting GOOD gin ... Bombay (regular ... don't care for the Sapphire for some reason) is my favorite ... maybe some Tanqueray 10.

Remember ... one is not enough ...

pnoon 06-20-2009 07:29 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty1500 (Post 432839)
Shaken ... it's an art ... you don't want melted water it it ... but get it COLD ... I often shake it, pour it and stick the martini in the freezer for a few minutes.

Two olives ... not flavored olives ... get the big ones

Don't be afraid of the vermouth (otherwise it's just cold gin) ... at least a splash if not a touch more ... this is very much a matter of personal taste. I second the Martini and Rossi vermouth ... the fresher the better. And, don't skimp on getting GOOD gin ... Bombay (regular ... don't care for the Sapphire for some reason) is my favorite ... maybe some Tanqueray 10.

Remember ... one is not enough ...

Two is too many.
Three is just right. :)

HawkEye19 06-20-2009 07:32 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
I saw a recipe one time where is was a half shot of dry and a half shot of sweet vermouth. Pour into your shaker, shake and pour vermouth out. Then add gin (*shudder* vodka). Makes a right tasty martini.

goalie204 06-20-2009 07:32 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
I use vodka in my martinis, not gin. I shake the vodka with lots of CRUSHED ice, and I don't put olive juice, and a use a squirt bottle to spritz a TINY amount of vermouth onto the glass, then i pour the shaken vodka into the glass, and squeeze a tiny amount of lemon peel in it. MMMMM vodka.

pnoon 06-20-2009 08:01 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goalie204 (Post 433008)
I use vodka in my martinis, not gin. I shake the vodka with lots of CRUSHED ice, and I don't put olive juice, and a use a squirt bottle to spritz a TINY amount of vermouth onto the glass, then i pour the shaken vodka into the glass, and squeeze a tiny amount of lemon peel in it. MMMMM vodka.

Sounds good. But it ain't no martini. :)

TheTraveler 06-20-2009 08:55 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkEye19 (Post 433007)
I saw a recipe one time where is was a half shot of dry and a half shot of sweet vermouth. Pour into your shaker, shake and pour vermouth out. Then add gin (*shudder* vodka). Makes a right tasty martini.

I actually like a martini with this mix of vermouths ... but leave the vermouth in. It ends up being 1 oz vermouth to 2 oz gin. Pretty nice.

I tried an "old school" martini - equal parts vermouth and gin - but that was a bit too much vermouth for my taste. Give that a try though, you might like it.

adampc22 06-20-2009 09:26 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 433045)
Sounds good. But it ain't no martini. :)

james bond drinks vodka martinis lol

goalie204 06-20-2009 10:24 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 433045)
Sounds good. But it ain't no martini. :)

a vodka martini, is still a martini. It's just one made with vodka.

A cuban cigar is still a cigar. It's just one made with cuban tobacco, in cuba. etc

adampc22 06-20-2009 10:27 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goalie204 (Post 433157)
a vodka martini, is still a martini. It's just one made with vodka.

A cuban cigar is still a cigar. It's just one made with cuban tobacco, in cuba. etc

right on

pnoon 06-20-2009 10:38 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goalie204 (Post 433157)
a vodka martini, is still a martini. It's just one made with vodka.

A cuban cigar is still a cigar. It's just one made with cuban tobacco, in cuba. etc

:r
keep tellin yourself that.

I guess if I chill lemonade and pour it in a martini glass, I can call it a lemonade martini.

smokin5 06-20-2009 11:03 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goalie204 (Post 433157)
a vodka martini, is still a martini. It's just one made with vodka.

Nonsense!!!
An analogy, if you please:
If you mix gin, vermouth & an olive, its called a Martini.
If you mix gin, vermouth & an onion, its called a Gibson.

Now, I ask you, if merely changing the garnish of this concoction changes the name of the drink, how in the H3LL can you change the main ingredient and call it the same thing?!! Answer: You can't.

A mix of vodka, vermouth & an olive (or twist of lemon, if you prefer) is NOT called a Martini, it is called a Kangaroo. Now stop calling a daffodil a rose.

Thank you.:)

smokin5 06-20-2009 11:10 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Oh, nearly forgot!!

My idea of a great Martini calls for a 3:1 mix of gin to dry vermouth, 2 drops of Angostura bitters, & 2 large olives. Preferred gin is Tanqueray or Bombay Sapphire. Preferred vermouth is Martini & Rossi, but I'm not picky.
STIR the mix with ice (shaking just dilutes it). If you've never tried the bitters, I highly recommend it. If you want to mix the vermouth 1/2 dry & 1/2 sweet, that works, too. But don't just give me a 'breath' of vermouth. That's just cold gin.

goalie204 06-21-2009 05:46 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 433166)
:r
keep tellin yourself that.

I guess if I chill lemonade and pour it in a martini glass, I can call it a lemonade martini.

They have all those already. "apple martini, crantini, lychee martini, chocotini" - whether they're blasphemous or not...really? who gives a sh1t, people drink what they enjoy, does it truly matter what they want to label something? Not in the least.

vodka martini is classic like it's gin counterpart, and is in most cocktail books.
http://www.drinkoftheweek.com/special/martini.htm
http://cocktails.suite101.com/articl..._vodka_martini

That's all from me, as I don't really care about the semantics anymore :)

dandaman 06-21-2009 05:55 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
ARID I prefer in & out w/vermouth & of course tanqueray." SALUTE " I agree Pete, vodka's is not a martini.

GWN 06-21-2009 07:18 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
+1 for vodka martinis (or whatever you wanna call 'em).
I also dig jalepeno-stuffed olives in mine, five of em, but I'm usually pretty hungry after work.:D

dandaman 06-21-2009 07:32 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dandaman (Post 433307)
ARRID I prefer in & out w/vermouth & of course tanqueray." SALUTE " I agree Pete, vodka's is not a martini.

:tu

GreekGodX 06-21-2009 08:10 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adampc22 (Post 433125)
james bond drinks vodka martinis lol

If you go to the novels which IMO is the right way to experience Bond. He drinks the Vesper Martini.

3 parts Gin
1 Part Vodka
Small Amount Kinet Lilet (a bitter dry Vermouth) Less vermouth makes it more dry.

This happens to be my favorite way to make a Martini. I don't like having olives or lemon peel, and I'm not very particular on the vermouth. It has to be Tanqueray and Grey Goose.

Whee 06-21-2009 03:35 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
First of all, if it isn;t made with gin, it ain;t a martini!:fu

Bombay Sapphire is a good martini gin, Tanqueray works too, I like it for my G&T's though. Must have an odd number of olives, stiffed blue cheese olives rock!

goalie204 06-22-2009 05:48 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
wrong

DougBushBC 06-22-2009 06:08 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 432742)
Experiment with the vermouth. Some folks believe having the bottle in the same room is plenty. ;) I prefer a splash.

I believe it was Winston Churchill who said "The perfect Martini is drinking a glass of cold Gin while staring at a bottle of Vermouth."


As for my Martini (I drink them rarely) but I like to put a splash of Dry Vermouth in the glass, turn it to coat the surface, and then pour the remainder out, then Shake a good gin (I prefer Plymoth, which is a different style of gin, very floral) with ice and pour in the glass, then garnish with a lemon peel (olives don't do it for me).

An Alternative is a drink that I love called a Negroni, shake together equal parts Plymoth Gin, Sweet Vermouth, and Campari, pour in glass. Flame a twist of orange over the top, drop the peel in. Itls delicious.

The Poet 06-22-2009 02:22 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Don't care what you wanna call it, I choose vodka. If I want the gin experience, I'll just chew on some pine needles first.

nozero 06-22-2009 03:39 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Beefeater or Bombay gin from the freezer, 2-3 large olives and about 4 drops of vermouth is my preference.

bigloo 06-22-2009 04:24 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Dirty Martini.

3 Parts Gin (I use local Oregon Gins, 12 bridges is exceptional and better then anything commerical IMHO as is Aviation).
1 Part M&R Vermouth
Splash of olive juice (mayeb 1/4 to 1/2 part).
Quick shake, 3 or 5 olives (always odd).

Same with my Gibsons, substitute the word olive above for pickled onions. A GREAT Gibson is using those Italian "capa-something" onions which have a dash of balsomic in them. Dam, I need a 'tini!

icehog3 11-10-2013 01:32 AM

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http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps71cd7962.png

Scottw 11-10-2013 07:31 AM

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That's awesome Tom!

pnoon 11-10-2013 07:33 AM

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:tg

smokin5 11-10-2013 11:08 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Now THAT made me laugh out loud!
Good one, Icehog.:D

Back on track, though, I've come up with an efficient way of
chilling martinis without getting into the whole "stirred vs. shaken"
controversy (:2- Stir it, don't shake it).
I've filled a 1.75 liter bottle with my pre-mix of martini
(3 oz gin to 1 oz dry vermouth, 2 drops bitters per serving, multiply
by 14), and keep it in the freezer. Then, when a guest or I want a
martini, I just take the bottle from the freezer, shake & pour. Ta-da!

galaga 11-10-2013 11:54 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1897737)

Nothing wrong with good whiskey Tommy :tu

All I can say is

Ben Hill Griffin Stadium at Florida Field, Gainesville, Florida

Vanderbilt
Commodores
(5-4)

34


Florida
Gators
(4-5)

17

pnoon 11-10-2013 11:54 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
:=:

galaga 11-10-2013 12:05 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
BTW

Whatever ratio of gin to vermouth you use. Put them in the shaker and let them sit for a time so they get cold. Condensation on the shaker is about the right length of time. Put ice in your glass so it gets cold. Shake the S.H.I.T. out of the shaker, enough to splinter the ice and then pour the contents into your emptied, cold glass. Hold the glass up to the setting sun so that the ice splinters are melted by the sunlight, thereby capturing the sunlight in the glass. Drink before the temperature of the martini gets too warm and the sunlight escapes. This ritual is optional for subsequent martinis, in case of emergencies and in Arizona. YMMV. :tu

pnoon 11-10-2013 12:07 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by galaga (Post 1897827)
BTW

Whatever ratio of gin to vermouth you use. Put them in the shaker and let them sit for a time so they get cold. Condensation on the shaker is about the right length of time. Put ice in your glass so it gets cold. Shake the S.H.I.T. out of the shaker, enough to splinter the ice and then pour the contents into your emptied, cold glass. Hold the glass up to the setting sun so that the ice splinters are melted by the sunlight, thereby capturing the sunlight in the glass. Drink before the temperature of the martini gets too warm and the sunlight escapes. This ritual is optional for subsequent martinis, in case of emergencies and in Arizona. YMMV. :tu

I like the way you think, Slappy. :al

smokin5 11-10-2013 02:54 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Wait...wait...but do you stand on your left foot or
someone else's while you shake?
And how much thrust of the hips while you do it?

icehog3 11-10-2013 03:52 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by galaga (Post 1897824)
Nothing wrong with good whiskey Tommy :tu

All I can say is

Ben Hill Griffin Stadium at Florida Field, Gainesville, Florida

Vanderbilt
Commodores
(5-4)

34


Florida
Gators
(4-5)

17

Yeah, we suck this year, Rick. Now my only hope for a happy ending is for Alabama to humiliate the Semiholes in the BCS game. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 1897825)
:=:

Stay out of this, Buzzy, this is mine and Rick's thing. You and me can discuss Denver dismantling the Churgers if you like. Oh, yeah, and gin ranks right up there with IPAs...disgusting. :fu2: :lr

pnoon 11-10-2013 04:05 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1897971)

Stay out of this, Buzzy, this is mine and Rick's thing. You and me can discuss Denver dismantling the Churgers if you like. Oh, yeah, and gin ranks right up there with IPAs...disgusting. :fu2: :lr

San Diego Chokers are embarrassing.

Thank goodness for gin and IPAs

icehog3 11-10-2013 04:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 1897983)
San Diego Chokers are embarrassing.

Thank goodness for gin and IPAs

Yet I don't slap my knee at you.-(P

And IPAs are awesome if you like sucking pinecones. :pu

Don't even get me started on gin. :lr

pnoon 11-10-2013 04:10 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1897985)
Yet I don't slap my knee at you.-(P

And IPAs are awesome if you like sucking pinecones. :pu

Don't even get me started on gin. :lr

I was slapping my knee at Slappy.

galaga 11-11-2013 10:32 AM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1897971)
Yeah, we suck this year, Rick. Now my only hope for a happy ending is for Alabama to humiliate the Semiholes in the BCS game. :)

Gonna be yelling at the TV for that game :banger

I take it you wouldn't like the taste of Retsina then?


Quote:

Originally Posted by smokin5 (Post 1897928)
Wait...wait...but do you stand on your left foot or
someone else's while you shake?
And how much thrust of the hips while you do it?

Are you talking about making a martini or OGC?





(Old Guy Coitus)

replicant_argent 11-11-2013 12:58 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1897971)
Yeah, my only hope for a happy ending is for .. gin.

We don't want to know about your particular "happy endings." TMI, bud. :r

icehog3 11-11-2013 01:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by replicant_argent (Post 1898276)
We don't want to know about your particular "happy endings." TMI, bud. :r

Apparently the restraining order did not reach your lawyer yet, Pete. Ah, yes...it's a holiday.

icehog3 11-11-2013 01:34 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by galaga (Post 1898230)
I take it you wouldn't like the taste of Retsina then?



Made with pine resin? Geez, must taste like a Greek IPA. :pu :lr

CigarNut 11-11-2013 01:45 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
I like just a little vermouth. I put ice in my shaker, pour in about 1/4 shot of vermouth, swirl it a bit so that some of the vermouth coats the ice and then pour the vermouth out.

Then I add my gin and give it all a good shake.

I like a variety of different gins, however there is a one local one (the name escapes me at the moment as I suffer from CRS) that has a lot of Juniper in it and I tend to use that one the most.

pnoon 11-11-2013 02:14 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CigarNut (Post 1898291)
I like just a little vermouth. I put ice in my shaker, pour in about 1/4 shot of vermouth, swirl it a bit so that some of the vermouth coats the ice and then pour the vermouth out.

Then I add my gin and give it all a good shake.

I like a variety of different gins, however there is a one local one (the name escapes me at the moment as I suffer from CRS) that has a lot of Juniper in it and I tend to use that one the most.

Aviation, maybe?

icehog3 11-11-2013 02:56 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 1898297)
Aviation, maybe?

Or Pine Sol? :D

AdamJoshua 11-11-2013 08:43 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
There is nothing about a martini that I like, not into gin, vermouth or olives, I do kind of like that the name sounds a bit like Martian or Dean Martin for that matter... but that's about it.

CigarNut 11-11-2013 10:06 PM

Re: How to Make a Good Martini
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamJoshua (Post 1898482)
There is nothing about a martini that I like, not into gin, vermouth or olives, I do kind of like that the name sounds a bit like Martian or Dean Martin for that matter... but that's about it.

So why post? :sh


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