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Dan 02-24-2009 07:45 PM

Is this a beetle?
 
I just took the cigar out of the cello for storage/aging, and upon inspection noticed this:

http://delirium.dreamhosters.com/ack.jpg

that shadow is a big round hole. Looks like beetles to me. What do you guys say? Checking the rest of the shipment I just opened for more.

dunng 02-24-2009 07:46 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Sure looks it to me... :c

14holestogie 02-24-2009 07:46 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Certainly appears to be one.

md4958 02-24-2009 07:49 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dunng (Post 254831)
Sure looks it to me... :c

Quote:

Originally Posted by 14holestogie (Post 254833)
Certainly appears to be one.

i hate to tell you I agree, but I would be freezing all sticks that came in contact with that one right now

chenvt 02-24-2009 07:52 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
What cigar is it? Just in case I have any.. lol

JohnnyKay5 02-24-2009 07:53 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
ewwwwie

Dan 02-24-2009 07:54 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Dammit, well the whole shipments getting frozen before I put it in the humis.

mi2az 02-24-2009 07:57 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Ahhh

Smoke it and kill it

WildBlueSooner 02-24-2009 07:57 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Beetles= Satan!

14holestogie 02-24-2009 07:59 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan (Post 254863)
Dammit, well the whole shipments getting frozen before I put it in the humis.

Make that SOP on all before they hit the humis and the problem should be greatly diminished. :tu

newcigarz 02-24-2009 08:02 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dunng (Post 254831)
Sure looks it to me... :c

:tpd:

lightning9191 02-24-2009 08:03 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
I vote yes.

Darrell 02-24-2009 08:04 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
It looks like a hole in the wrapper. When I've seen beetles eat through a stick they eat through the wrapper, binder, filler, etc. :2

ucla695 02-24-2009 08:15 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Do the tap test over a white piece of paper and see if any beetle dung falls out.

SilverFox 02-24-2009 08:26 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
You don't need to do a tap test in my opionion it is beetle for sure, I would be willing to bet that little white sluggy looking thing is the critter (in larval stage) himself.

FREEZE Look here for some mediocre directions http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7919 on freezing

neoflex 02-24-2009 08:48 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Have any shots pulled back some? I am guessing it may be beetles too. If it's a shipment that just came in I would send the entire package back. Yes, you can freeze them but in a household freezer you are not guaranteed to eliminate the problem. Why introduce the problem to your humi if you do not need to, I would send it back and let the vendor know it's because of beetles and be sure to tell them that the hole is not plume.:D

SmokeyJoe 02-24-2009 08:49 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 254890)
It looks like a hole in the wrapper. When I've seen beetles eat through a stick they eat through the wrapper, binder, filler, etc. :2

It could be a beetle hole... but I have never seen one so chewed up before. All of the beetle holes I have seen have been very clean, round holes. :confused:

Darrell 02-24-2009 08:51 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe (Post 254986)
All of the beetle holes I have seen have been very clean, round holes. :confused:

Me too.

Dan 02-24-2009 08:51 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe (Post 254986)
It could be a beetle hole... but I have never seen one so chewed up before. All of the beetle holes I have seen have been very clean, round holes. :confused:

Further down, where the shadow is, there are actually two clean round holes that go in further.

karmaz00 02-24-2009 08:52 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
sorry it looks like one

Darrell 02-24-2009 08:52 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan (Post 254991)
Further down, where the shadow is, there are actually two clean round holes that go in further.

Pic?

Sauer Grapes 02-24-2009 09:04 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverFox (Post 254930)
You don't need to do a tap test in my opionion it is beetle for sure, I would be willing to bet that little white sluggy looking thing is the critter (in larval stage) himself.

:tpd: 100% correct.

I'd send them back.

What kind of cigar was it? What vendor?

Cigary 02-24-2009 09:35 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe (Post 254986)
It could be a beetle hole... but I have never seen one so chewed up before. All of the beetle holes I have seen have been very clean, round holes. :confused:

I agree with Joe on this one,,,could be that your Beetles are a bit messy or are in bad need of some dental work.:r

s15driftking 02-24-2009 09:37 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes (Post 255025)


What kind of cigar was it? What vendor?


i second this!

Silound 02-24-2009 10:47 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
I've seen a lot of beetles at work before, and you sir have a beetle larva munching away on your cigar. That's what the little off-white colored thing is at the end of the hole in the picture.


The channel where he chewed clearly shows small round particulate matter, which is consistent with larva excretions.


Freeze the lot, or better yet get them replaced.

Teeznutz 02-24-2009 10:52 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Sorry to see this.....Good Luck!

Genetic Defect 02-24-2009 10:54 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
no.

Tio Gato 02-25-2009 04:14 AM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Yup. You got the cooties.:(

Mikepd 02-25-2009 07:07 AM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
That is what is referred to as a track. It is caused by beetles moving from side to side after partially burrowing out of the cigar. Also it appears in your picture to show two semi-matured larva. One is to the far right of that track, that whiteish looking line, the other being right in the middle of the track whaere it bends, it appears to be deeper inside the cigar and is also a pale white color. If the beetles have hatched and matured enough to this stage in these cigars, it more than likely means the cigars were exposed to poor conditions a while ago. I would bet that freezing is useless now as the beetles have all ready hatched in other cigars and have started munching the insides of other cigars. If you can return them i would do that, otherwise i'd likely smoke one and see how it is. You may be interested in taking another cigar that doesnt show damage yet and cut it open to find out beetle stages in there.

hotreds 02-25-2009 09:08 AM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
I, too, would like to know where you got these and what marca it is.

Scottw 02-25-2009 09:15 AM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 254890)
It looks like a hole in the wrapper. When I've seen beetles eat through a stick they eat through the wrapper, binder, filler, etc. :2

I agree, it actually looks like a small perferation.

Scottw 02-25-2009 09:16 AM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikepd (Post 255483)
That is what is referred to as a track. It is caused by beetles moving from side to side after partially burrowing out of the cigar. Also it appears in your picture to show two semi-matured larva. One is to the far right of that track, that whiteish looking line, the other being right in the middle of the track whaere it bends, it appears to be deeper inside the cigar and is also a pale white color. If the beetles have hatched and matured enough to this stage in these cigars, it more than likely means the cigars were exposed to poor conditions a while ago. I would bet that freezing is useless now as the beetles have all ready hatched in other cigars and have started munching the insides of other cigars. If you can return them i would do that, otherwise i'd likely smoke one and see how it is. You may be interested in taking another cigar that doesnt show damage yet and cut it open to find out beetle stages in there.

Holy crap, that's one heck on an explanation.

shilala 02-25-2009 09:22 AM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
I'd bet my stash on it.
Mikepd's explanation is perfect. If you're outdoorsy at all, grew up in the woods, raised animals, kept bees, or lived on a farm, you get real used to what boring larvae tracks look like.

themoneycollector 02-25-2009 10:08 AM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Yep, you got a beetle problem

Pat1075 02-25-2009 10:19 AM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
I'm voting yes

Volusianator 02-25-2009 10:26 AM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mi2az (Post 254872)
Ahhh

Smoke it and kill it

LOL, man I love the sound of a beetle getting fried, that snap you get is just music to my ears knowing one of those little bastages will no longer do any damage.

borndead1 02-25-2009 12:24 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
If you just got them, send them back. :2

michael88n 02-25-2009 12:38 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Damn. That gives me the Heebie Jeebies.

BC-Axeman 02-25-2009 12:54 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikepd (Post 255483)
That is what is referred to as a track. It is caused by beetles moving from side to side after partially burrowing out of the cigar. Also it appears in your picture to show two semi-matured larva. One is to the far right of that track, that whiteish looking line, the other being right in the middle of the track whaere it bends, it appears to be deeper inside the cigar and is also a pale white color. If the beetles have hatched and matured enough to this stage in these cigars, it more than likely means the cigars were exposed to poor conditions a while ago. I would bet that freezing is useless now as the beetles have all ready hatched in other cigars and have started munching the insides of other cigars. If you can return them i would do that, otherwise i'd likely smoke one and see how it is. You may be interested in taking another cigar that doesnt show damage yet and cut it open to find out beetle stages in there.

100% agree. Great, now I've got to go inspect my entire stash or else not sleep.

md4958 02-25-2009 01:30 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 254890)
It looks like a hole in the wrapper. When I've seen beetles eat through a stick they eat through the wrapper, binder, filler, etc. :2

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe (Post 254986)
It could be a beetle hole... but I have never seen one so chewed up before. All of the beetle holes I have seen have been very clean, round holes. :confused:

http://www.the-piedpiper.co.uk/graphics1/cigars.jpg

notice the tunnels on all the sticks

Genetic Defect 02-25-2009 10:56 PM

Re: Is this a beetle?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 256289)
http://www.the-piedpiper.co.uk/graphics1/cigars.jpg

notice the tunnels on all the sticks

no


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