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What's the average pull on a normal mil spec AR trigger? Tested mine today, it was reading about 5lbs 10oz average... that sound about right? It didn't feel like a two stage match, just a bunch of mush and then the break.

I think I'm going to sell my complete lower (lightly used) and my AR style BCG (also barely used) tomorrow on gun broker. Since the upper shot between a 1.06 and 1.7 MOA from a shaky bipod at dusk (barrel NOT free floated), I think I'll keep the upper, and stick a 15" float tube on it. Seems like a nice quality barrel....

Already got that Serenity lower, and the Umbrella lower coming, so no need for the old lower. And I've got two M16 BCGs from boise tactical coming in 3 weeks, so no need for the BCG...
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Buuuuut wal-mart isn't a small business :tg
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Not going to Walmart tomorrow, going to a gun shop in Gainesvulle :fu

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The spec is 5.5-8.5 lbs

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buuuuuut you went to wal-mart first, today :fu

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mmm, sounds like that's what the trigger is then, a normal mil spec... to gunbroker with it then :)

Now I just gotta find time to put the LPK I got into the Serenity lower...

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Yeh well i didnt know this place had them so :sl

Walmart did have a whole pallet of federal birdshot sitting out though :r

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lol, someone got in an ammo shipment :)

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Boom!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8...202d6cdf_c.jpg
Untitled by emopunker2004, on Flickr

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nice :tu :)

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Not sure. I have the factory ones on mine. My G20 is a 2nd generation, and they are still bright as heck.

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Tlr1 or tlr1-s for light.
For night sights I like the tru-glo TFO

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Just became a life member of the NRA!

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Not sure if addressed somewhere on this thread.
Can someone compile a list of quality lower manufacturers so I can hopefully eventually get one when prices and if prices get back to some level of normalcy?

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Welcome to the Lifer club! :tu

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Also, what is an "ammo grade" lower?

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Here you go Carlos :tu : http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/31...mpared___.html

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Indeed...welcome aboard!

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Holy crap!
Is there a consolidated list on there?:r
I was thinking of sitting on PSA and catch one of theirs.
I am not as lucky as Francis to be able to nail down one of those Umbrella Industries one. That is sweet!

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Never heard the term, sorry.

But as far as lowers go, you really can't go wrong with any of the major manufactures now, just remember all of the big boys can put out a bad lower here and there. Just my opinion, get the lower with the logo you like best, before all the craziness that's just what I did.

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I read to get forged instead of billet.
I don't think under $100 days will be back any time soon so have set my max at $150 and see if I can nail one or two for future builds.

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I have to admit though, I've seen a few billet lowers and they do like nice.

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Carlos my opinion on PSA is they are equal to DPMS so they wouldn’t be on my list, from what I have noticed sale price seems to be there biggest selling feature. There are many that own these products and are happy because they fit the budget and that’s great, I wish every hard working, tax paying stable American had and AR in there home. But when I purchase AR parts
accessories price really isn’t much of a concern because I always look at as would I trust my life to on in a SHTF scenario, also when you build a pieces and parts rifle the value is in the sum of the parts, so buy good stuff haha (under normal times)

Noveske-LMT-Spikes-Bravo-Colt to name a few would be my 1st choices (once again leaving quite a few out)

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Great to know and agree on buying good stuff.

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Curious as why you would say that PSA is bottom barrel stuff when their uppers (most) are using the same specifications as the "big boys?"

from their website:

Barrel length 16"
Hammer Forged Barrel
Machine Gun Steel (made by FN)
5.56 Nato Chamber
1 in 7" twist
Double-thick Chrome-lined bore and chamber
A2 profile
M4 feedramps
Forged upper
T-marks

regarding their barrels:

Barrel: A proprietary blend of Hammer forged chrome molly vanadium made by FN that is referred to as "Machine Gun Steel" by virtue of its use in FN's M249 and M240 weapons. The hammer forging process work hardens the steel, making it more durable. In addition, the chrome process for the bore allows for a lining almost twice as thick as a standard M16 for enhanced durability. Chambered in 5.56 NATO, with a 1/7 twist, M4 barrel extension, and a Mid-length gas system. A2 style profile barrel is Mil-spec phosphate coated, High Pressure tested and Magnetic Particle inspected. Barrel is finished off with an F-marked front sight post with sling swivel, standard handguards and an A2 flash hider.

And the prices on them before the panic were under $800 complete

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Anyone know these guys?
They are not too far from me and $149 given market is not bad at all.
http://coderedfirearms.com/

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Never heard of them, but I think the logo is cool.

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Me too.
Good price, cool logo, close by.
6-8 week wait not terribe.

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The hardest part to tell is whether or not the lower is in spec until you build it and test the function out, or take measurements. I bought a local company's lower and it was just a tad out of spec in the mag well creating a tight fit for mags.

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Greg, I said "my opinion " or perception is that of lower price AR's. It comes form all the horrible looking GunShow ar's I see at shows wearing Chinese knock off furniture and cheap wana be Aimpoint optics are usually PSA or similar. I prefer to take the $800 for purchasing a PSA a putting toward a better brand you know the "big boys" ;)

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New custom concealed carry belt has been ordered, should go nicely with the custom leather OWB holster I'll be receiving in a couple weeks :tu

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Just got a Romanian WASR. Yeah laugh it up. Those things fire, and I wasn't concerned with looks. I will get a new stock and pistol grip.

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I'm guessing things have changed since the list on AR-15.com was made?
LAR = Grizzly, Bushmaster (L Prefix), Ameetech, (?)DPMS, CMMG, Double Star, Fulton, Spike's Tactical, Noveske (new)

I think I am missing something.

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yeah, that list was made 5 years ago ;)

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You took the words out of my mouth :tu

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One should not use that list for accurate info then, I guess.

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I completely agree with you, with not putting any cheap knockoff stuff on my AR's. I will admit to using Midwest Industries on 1 of my AR's, that's going to change when I get the chance:D. Are you maybe mistaking "PSA" Palmetto State Armory, with "PA" Primary Arms? It's hard to control what a person will add/change to the item when it's at a gunshow. Heck I've seen a supposed DD upper mounted with cheap knock off optics at gunshow's myself.

What I see in PSA is that they started out like Bravo Company, offering quality parts with all the same specifications as LMT, Daniel Defense, Colt and others. Now BCM is considered one of the top tier manufactures out there. I don't know what the future holds for PSA but I hope they continue the trend of offering top quality products at a reasonable price point. Like I pointed out PSA offers the same specifications as the top tier manufactures do.

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I love my PSA midlength upper. Runs like a champ! :tu

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One more thing to point out, I'm only comparing uppers. Below I made bold the same feature from both companies.

From Noveske's website listed at about $800:


16" Cold Hammer Forged 5.56mm Barrel
--M249 Machine Gun barrel steel and Chrome Lining (appx. 2 times as thick as an M4 or M16)
--Extended Feed Ramps
--Same weight as M4 barrel with improved contour for maximum rigidity and no M203 notch
--MP HP tested
--1 in 7" twist
--Mil Spec Phosphate finish
--Mid length gas system
--1/2x28 threads
--Fixed front sight base, F marked
--Flat-top upper receiver
--Mid length A2 type handguards
--Shot peened and MP tested bolt
--Auto carrier with properly staked carrier key
--Gun Fighter Charging Handle
--Blackout Flash Suppressor
--Back up iron sight not included
Upper Weight: 4 1/4 lbs

From PSA all for about $600 (maybe cheaper) before all the madness:

Barrel length 16"
Hammer Forged Barrel
Machine Gun Steel
5.56 Nato Chamber
1 in 7" twist
Double-thick Chrome-lined bore and chamber
A2 profile
M4 feedramps
Forged upper
T-marks

Barrel: A proprietary blend of Hammer forged chrome molly vanadium made by FN that is referred to as "Machine Gun Steel" by virtue of its use in FN's M249 and M240 weapons. The hammer forging process work hardens the steel, making it more durable. In addition, the chrome process for the bore allows for a lining almost twice as thick as a standard M16 for enhanced durability. Chambered in 5.56 NATO, with a 1/7 twist, M4 barrel extension, and a Mid-length gas system. A2 style profile barrel is Mil-spec phosphate coated, High Pressure tested and Magnetic Particle inspected. Barrel is finished off with an F-marked front sight post with sling swivel, standard handguards and an A2 flash hider.

Upper: Forged 7075-T6 A3 AR upper is made to MIL-SPECS and hard coat anodized black for durability. Featuring machined T marks, and a mil-spec finish. These uppers are made for us right here in the USA by a mil-spec manufacturer, and are marked with the Palmetto State Armory logo on the left side, up front, just below the rail.

PSA also offers the same bolt specifications as Noveske's bolt.

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Yeh the only real reason I'd get a Noveske or DD is resale value. Period.

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I took the muzzle loader out today for a couple hours, That's just good fun.

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:tu

Gonna hit up the LGS tomorrow while the wife is at the doc. Need to pick up a case of 12ga shells to go shooting on the 16th. I'll just get whatever cheap birdshot they have.

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I need to find some cheap slugs.... Don't have any in stock... I hate not having a little in stock of the basics...

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http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index....er_id=&sort=8a

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/57931

http://policehq.com/Products/FC-127.RS

http://policehq.com/Products/FC-127LE

http://policehq.com/Products/FC-127LEB

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.80 cents a round.. can't argue much with that. :tu

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yeh not too bad. not like you're gonna use it for target practice :r

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Probably will at some point :tg

I hate hunting with a shotgun.. was always more of a rifle man myself...

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So hunt with a rifle...

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Can't in Ohio :/

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WTF? What kinda bullshit is that? Got good sights on your shotgun? or a scope of some sort?