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They pick a price.
Call around and ask
http://fflgundealers.net/

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and this is probably a dumb question but I'll ask anyway... the FFL dealer has to be in my state, correct? for instance since you and I are buddies I couldn't get you to handle my transfer, could I?

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Lol no. Gotta be in ur state. Closer to u the better because u gotta pick it up there. Well legally u can buy a rifle or shotgun out of state and carry it back with u, I would assume transfer would be the same if its not a pistol, but why would u?

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just trying to think of someone that won't charge me an arm and a leg... more or less it was just a theoretical question... with FFL being federal I thought it wouldn't matter what state it is purchased in...

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$25-$35 is the norm, depending on the FFL. I have FFL's near me that charge all of those prices.

Occasionally you'll find one for $20, although that's not so normal.

I worked out a deal with one local FFL for a better rate on a group of items arriving. Some will work with you on that, some won't.

If you live in certain parts of komifornia, apparently it can go as high as $100.

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I was about to say I heard it could cost up to 200 dollars... if its 20 to 50 bucks then no problems... i just didn't want to pay more for the FFL then I do for the actual lower...

I am thinking I will go ahead and buy a lower sometime real real soon... and then as the weeks go by I'll save my shuttle tip money and buy the other parts to build it...

what is the most expensive part of an AR? and how difficult are they to build, can a novice complete a build or does it take special tools and know how?

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unless you think saving my money and buying an already completed AR would be cheaper? I am just trying to do this more or less the cheapest way possible... thats not saying I want sh!tty parts... just if i am going to spend more for them there had better/will be a reason why...

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You picked the wrong time if you're looking to build cheap.

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yea... I know I have... I just wanna get one before anything stupid happens and they make them illegal again... was thinking about buying 30rd mags also incase those disappear as well...

What chances do you actually give them to pass the ban again? I heard they said because the last one wasn't effective they were going to try to work more on capacity bans rather then model bans...

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No real idea. I'm like you, looking to buy, but I'm not willing to pay the inflated prices. Good news is they seem to be subsiding a bit, at least from what I've seen on one site. This is for complete rifles. Now if I could only find the model I want at a decent price.

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If you're worried about a ban, buy the lower now.

For all the other parts, save your money and wait. The parts will only get cheaper, and the options will only go up.

If you're not worried about a gun ban, don't even buy the lower now. The market is going to be FLOODED with private party deals on AR's in 2-6 weeks as everyone who went out and purchased one on panic suddenly realizes that they can't afford to keep it, and are willing to sell it for less than they paid. There's also a lot of people who purchased 5-20 lowers, thinking they would have a precious and pricy commodity when a ban hit. If a ban doesn't hit, then they're going to start liquidating those....

I would lay far better odds of a magazine ban passing than a gun ban, I would probably get a few of those now. $30 is going rate. Still very pricy compared to $10-$12 before.. but if you're only getting a couple, not that bad. :2

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If I were to buy a complete upper/lower, is there anything else I would need besides mags and ammo?

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nope. Just make sure the upper includes the BOLT CARRIER GROUP. (bolt, bolt carrier). The only uppers w/ BCG I've seen at a reasonable price lately was a small batch of 16" middys that Aim Surplus got in last week. Crashed the website so many people were trying to get it.

There's a HUGE shortage of BCGs right now. Supply was getting short BEFORE the panic. Finding a lower is easy, finding a BCG is not.

If you buy a stripped lower (more common than a complete lower) you'll need a parts kit.

Palmetto's got a few right now at a fair price (the stock alone is $100)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...build-kit.html
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...build-kit.html

Shipping will be a little slow from Palmetto, but not terrible. I ordered a parts kit from them on 1/3, UPS just brought it to me today 1/28, so you're looking at about 3-4 weeks.

I paid $500 for my complete upper (plus tax sadly, they're in the same state). If you pay a fair price for a lower and nab one for $130, + $200 for the parts, you'll be looking at about $850 for your basic build. Get a slightly decent stock. Cheap one's rattle and fit loose. They function... but not as well.

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Thanks Francis. RRA has the complete upper in stock (20" Predator) I'm looking at. I may do like you said and buy a lower right now and wait to see if upper prices drop. $675 is a lot for just the upper when you complete guns weren't going for a lot more than that last year.

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But I really do think prices are going to be falling drastically in a bit. Just like when the stock market and the housing market get overvalued, there's a "market correction" as the pendulum swings the other way. Same thing is going to happen in parts of the gun market. Some things will stay high for a while (ammo in particular, typically if you stockpiled that, you'll keep your stockpile rather than sell it), but private party deals are going to abound for many things....

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I don't think you're reading the RRA website correctly ;)
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_ID=452

BCGs are one of the items on "INDEFINITE BACKORDER"


for a 20" stainless free float heavy match barreled upper, $675 sounds about normal. I wasn't very familiar with prices before, but I don't think you'll see that go any lower in the next year...

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well I'm out, heading out to the barn for a smoke while the weather is holding steady at 46.... No garage and no cigar bar within 90 miles of me, so thats the best I can do in my area!

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How much should I pay for a buffer tube kit (tube, spring, buffer)?

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JUST the buffer, i dont know... i've only ever purchased the full lower parts kit, sorry.

Places like brownels and midway have not raised their prices. Even if you find the parts out of stock, you can check prices there to find out what the normal rate is. i dont think buffer tube kits are in critically short supply, so i imagine that normal rate or something close applies..

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Interesting. I guess I can order it and see what happens.

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Exactly...A lot of people are going to be experiencing buyers remorse I'm afraid.

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Woohoo! My 200rds of m193 should be here tomorrow

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Well, placed the order just to see. I guess last night I was surprised to see the "Buy" button active. But looking through the rest of the site this morning, seems it's there for a lot of parts. Who know's how long it will take. Now to find a lower.

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I didn't know it would be hard to find an ammo can now either, local that is.

I want more of a modern, heavy plastic one. Not the metal ones. Can't find anything big enough here, right now.

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Why not metal? I love my metal gi cans

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I just don't care for them... Not sure why.

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Is this what you're looking for?

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Kinda...

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Something more along the lines of this.

http://www.amazon.com/MTM-Ammo-Can-F...words=ammo+can

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So buy two of those and get free shipping

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Where you see the free shipping at? Still early for me and I am at work..

On orders over $25.. I see it now.

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These are what I use only the black ones. Luckily we have a few places here that sell them for 15 bucks.

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I found 1 this past weekend.. but it was a small one.

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CTD has something similar for a few bucks cheaper, not sure what shipping will cost you though.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.net/product/3-0813992

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Order'd !! :banger

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Usually they're shipping is retardedly high

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Puts me over by 10 bucks for 2 of them

Even for 1, it is higher than paying for 1 on Amazon.

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Does the brand of buffer tubes matter (spikes, bcm, dpms, utg)?

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Sometimes, just depends on if you want mil-spec or commercial. I personally believe mil spec is better and there are more options. Then it all depends on how adjustable you want 5 or 6 position. Of the ones you mentioned I'd avoid utg

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Looking at mil-spec ones. It's all I need to finish my lower. Anyone here have a extra set?

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I have an extra FULL lower parts set, but no extra buffer :)

From my internet readings, def. avoid UTG, too soft a metal, treads strip and deform too easy.

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Pete you just needing the buffer tube? If you need a whole lower build kit, PSA has two in stock that I know of for a good price. Brand doesn't really matter as long as it's a reputable company, all those listed are g2g except UTG.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...build-kit.html
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...build-kit.html

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I'm thinking of picking up a .45 at the local gun shop. They have quite a few in stick from Smith & Wesson, Sig, Remington, Citadel and others...

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Thinking about picking up a black powder pistol...

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictur...Big%20Gun1.jpg

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictur...Big%20Gun2.jpg

Probably not very good for CCW though.

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HOLY CRAP that thing is huge. I didn't even believe it at first, had to google it. It's pretty light, I think you could CCW it. it only weighs 99lbs...

http://www.vincelewis.net/bigrevolver.html



http://www.vincelewis.net/myimages34/rev-x6.jpg

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I definately think I will need to use an Alaskan cross-chest holster for it though...:D

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Already have 2 LPKs or I would pick that up. Someone hooked me up with a Magpul ACS stock but it's commercial sized. Anyone got a spare commercial tube?

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M&P 15-22, SlideFire stock, JP "yellows" lightened trigger springs, Sightmark red dot, GSG offset irons.

In semi auto, it shot through 50 rounds of 10 year old Remington bulk ammo, the pinnacle of crappy ammo, without a single hitch.
In slide fire, it didn't like the Remington. It would load the round, but it wouldn't go bang, not sure the exact cause, I'll experiment a bit later.
Ran through CCI .22LR Tactical ammo (the stuff designed for 15-22 rifles) in slidefire with narry a hiccup.

I'm glad the $10 JP yellow trigger springs worked, beats buying a $200 3lb single stage drop in trigger :)

I have a $30 DPMS muzzle brake to put on it that redirects all the gas straight forward and presumably would increase recoil slightly to aid with slidefire. But if it keeps functioning flawlessly as it is now with the stock flash hider, I'll probably just send it back to midway.


(click for larger)
http://i.imgur.com/M9NwNG1l.jpg

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Very nice! :gn :tu

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Ups man brought me this 200rd battle pack of PPU m193 today yay!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8233/8...9e5736ba_c.jpg
Untitled by emopunker2004, on Flickr