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emopunker2004 01-24-2013 10:29 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1786584)
Finally got shipping notice on my E-Landers.

:tu
If they dont seat easily full loaded, just leave them fully loaded for a while, they'll losen up. the springs they use are extra strong. I have to give might a nice smack to seat them with 30.

TNT009 01-24-2013 10:31 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Anyone finding AR pmags?

emopunker2004 01-24-2013 10:34 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TNT009 (Post 1786592)
Anyone finding AR pmags?

Only place you'll find them in stock is on the secondary market for $40+ dollars. My buddy just sold 20 of them for an average of $45 each.

spectrrr 01-24-2013 10:35 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
For the right price, anything can be had on gunbroker ;)

but no, you won't find those retail for a very long time. The backorder line is out the door, around the corner, into the next county and over state lines..

bonjing 01-24-2013 10:44 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robulous78 (Post 1786528)
Thanks Justin.... So which parts will be different for me in a left-handed build? would I need to find a specific type of lower?

Rob check out stag arms for left handed uppers.

jsnake 01-24-2013 10:47 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Anyone have a couple extra Pmags, Troy Mags, Lancer Mags they would trade away for cigars and nice lighters? Just looking for a couple.

spectrrr 01-24-2013 10:51 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
just sold my extra pmags today on gunbroker :/

emopunker2004 01-24-2013 11:04 PM

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Rob, A regular AR should work fine for you if ur a lefty if you add a magpul bad lever to the bolt release, ambi mag release, ambi selector, and ambi charging handle. only real ambi CH i know of is the ranier arms raptor

emopunker2004 01-24-2013 11:04 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1786606)
just sold my extra pmags today on gunbroker :/

how much $?

spectrrr 01-25-2013 04:08 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1786614)
how much $?

$218/5

Brian D. 01-25-2013 05:13 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
So glad I've been a gun guy for lo these many years now. It's almost worth being old as I am just because my acquisition of "We'll ban em forever this time!" stuff has long ago been completed. Well, completed a satisfactory amount anyhow. Lets me concentrate on stuff that's not as hard to find, although when WalMart is almost out of .25-06 ammo (which is NOT a semiauto caliber, never was) you know it's gonna be tough to find everything else boomstick-related.

spectrrr 01-25-2013 06:36 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
anybody looking for a cheap lower, here you go:
http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?i...r=700|863|1068

$150, from a good vendor. I doubt it will be in stock for long. Shipping delay 15-25 days (I think they're running closer to 15 days now).

emopunker2004 01-25-2013 06:39 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
And gone

spectrrr 01-25-2013 09:57 AM

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lol, that didn't take long.
Wasn't that many article views on slickguns, surprised that it went even that fast.

spectrrr 01-25-2013 11:10 AM

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another lower, $200
http://aeroprecisionusa.com/shop/ar1...lower-receiver

Same company that supplies many of Spike's receivers I believe...

Manufacturer jacked the price directly... but still, $200 in this climate isn't horrible if you NEED it...

big pete 01-25-2013 11:36 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Would pick up another one just to have but the stupid ffl prices + tax make it not worth it for me. Paid $285 for mine after transfer fees (almost $50 cheaper) for my private party one

TNT009 01-25-2013 12:47 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Well they definitely stimulated the economy!

spectrrr 01-25-2013 01:19 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TNT009 (Post 1786863)
Well they definitely stimulated the economy!

SORTA. What nobody seems to be talking about is what happens AFTER. Economically speaking, we have to look at the rate over time, not a one month sample. All that money that has been pouring into dealers wasn't "free". We created "sales" in the last month, LOTS AND LOTS of sales... but no new WEALTH. If the net balance of wealth is the same, then all you've done is shift the timing around a bit. I can tell you I'll give you $10 a month or $120 a year, it's the same amount of sales over time. (and yes, that's ignoring interest, which most small businesses are not earning).

So where did most of the money come from?
** It was money that people had set aside for a future firearm purpose (now that the purchase has occurred, the future one will likely not happen)
** It was money that people set aside to buy a new TV, or something like that. They spent it on guns instead, but economically speaking, it's a net wash.
** It was money somebody did not have to spend, they racked up a CC bill which will have to be paid off later.
~~Which means they may sell that gear at a loss (not good for them, and cheap gear they're selling means gear someone else will buy cheap from them and thus NOT buy from a dealer, eliminating future sales).
~~ OR they tighten up the belt and don't make other household purchases in order to pay for the gun. (net wash)
In the meantime, dealers may have a giant pile of cash right now, but they know that sales in a few months are going to be almost nothing, as the CC bills come due and people realize they no longer have any money for these kinds of purchases. Furthermore, because the dealer can't get restocked well, they will miss out on sales from impulse buyers who can' find what they want, or regular buyers who choose to wait until next year to buy when what they want is available.

So in the meantime, dealers will have to run a very slim operation over the next 6 months, which will mean job losses from some. If Midway had 100 employees before this mess, they probably have 150 now... but in 3 months, that number might be down to only 75 unless they see the potential for sales to start recovering.

The one area of the economy which has a net increase, for now, is the manufacturing industry. Magpul is going to be cranking at full capacity for months, maybe the next year. So their year looks rosy. They'll probably hire the same number of folks that Midway has to fire. But what then? after two years, what are their pmag sales going to look like? everyone that wanted one, got one, or 10, or 50. The ones that got 50 are maybe looking at their stuff and saying "ehh, maybe I only needed 15 of these..." and then selling the extra 35. That cuts into magpul's sales.

Magpul will still come out ahead - there is all the first-time AR buyers that went out and got some, there's all the folks that used to have 5 mags, now they went out and purchased and extra 10, so now they have 15... on a normal day they would have been happy with 5... and they're not going to sell when they have less than 15, so that 10 mag sale did create a net gain in the industry. But overall, the gains will not be as dramatic as I think many people envision...

In a nutshell, this could only be counted as a significant stimulus if the dealers were restocked to normal next month, and sales continued at normal "July" levels. THEN everything from this last month of insanity would be a bonus. but as it stands, if you look back at the numbers a year from now, you'll find that the 12 or 18 month average holds fairly steady, with only a moderate increase in overall sales from the folks that decided they wanted to have 10-15 mags in stock instead of 5, or the first time buyers, but many of those purchases will be offset in the overall economy by a different product they DON'T purchase, a vacation not taken, a house project not built, etc.

Hopefully some of that rambling made sense.....

emopunker2004 01-25-2013 01:20 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Stfu with ur technical bullshit Francis! :r

spectrrr 01-25-2013 01:23 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1786873)
Stfu with ur technical bullshit Francis! :r

then I take it, TL;DR :tg

(can't help it, Econ. was my major :tg)

emopunker2004 01-25-2013 01:51 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Ur right, tl;dr. Read the first sentence

jluck 01-25-2013 05:34 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1786872)
SORTA. What nobody seems to be talking about is what happens AFTER. Economically speaking, we have to look at the rate over time, not a one month sample. All that money that has been pouring into dealers wasn't "free". We created "sales" in the last month, LOTS AND LOTS of sales... but no new WEALTH. If the net balance of wealth is the same, then all you've done is shift the timing around a bit. I can tell you I'll give you $10 a month or $120 a year, it's the same amount of sales over time. (and yes, that's ignoring interest, which most small businesses are not earning).

So where did most of the money come from?
** It was money that people had set aside for a future firearm purpose (now that the purchase has occurred, the future one will likely not happen)
** It was money that people set aside to buy a new TV, or something like that. They spent it on guns instead, but economically speaking, it's a net wash.
** It was money somebody did not have to spend, they racked up a CC bill which will have to be paid off later.
~~Which means they may sell that gear at a loss (not good for them, and cheap gear they're selling means gear someone else will buy cheap from them and thus NOT buy from a dealer, eliminating future sales).
~~ OR they tighten up the belt and don't make other household purchases in order to pay for the gun. (net wash)
In the meantime, dealers may have a giant pile of cash right now, but they know that sales in a few months are going to be almost nothing, as the CC bills come due and people realize they no longer have any money for these kinds of purchases. Furthermore, because the dealer can't get restocked well, they will miss out on sales from impulse buyers who can' find what they want, or regular buyers who choose to wait until next year to buy when what they want is available.

So in the meantime, dealers will have to run a very slim operation over the next 6 months, which will mean job losses from some. If Midway had 100 employees before this mess, they probably have 150 now... but in 3 months, that number might be down to only 75 unless they see the potential for sales to start recovering.

The one area of the economy which has a net increase, for now, is the manufacturing industry. Magpul is going to be cranking at full capacity for months, maybe the next year. So their year looks rosy. They'll probably hire the same number of folks that Midway has to fire. But what then? after two years, what are their pmag sales going to look like? everyone that wanted one, got one, or 10, or 50. The ones that got 50 are maybe looking at their stuff and saying "ehh, maybe I only needed 15 of these..." and then selling the extra 35. That cuts into magpul's sales.

Magpul will still come out ahead - there is all the first-time AR buyers that went out and got some, there's all the folks that used to have 5 mags, now they went out and purchased and extra 10, so now they have 15... on a normal day they would have been happy with 5... and they're not going to sell when they have less than 15, so that 10 mag sale did create a net gain in the industry. But overall, the gains will not be as dramatic as I think many people envision...

In a nutshell, this could only be counted as a significant stimulus if the dealers were restocked to normal next month, and sales continued at normal "July" levels. THEN everything from this last month of insanity would be a bonus. but as it stands, if you look back at the numbers a year from now, you'll find that the 12 or 18 month average holds fairly steady, with only a moderate increase in overall sales from the folks that decided they wanted to have 10-15 mags in stock instead of 5, or the first time buyers, but many of those purchases will be offset in the overall economy by a different product they DON'T purchase, a vacation not taken, a house project not built, etc.

Hopefully some of that rambling made sense.....

I'm sure most people are using the 'ol credit card anyways......Hoping to make a quick buck and "Pay off the debt" when there rich and famous...

Blueface 01-25-2013 05:46 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Well, in my case, credit card charges and will skimp on what I can and pay off as soon as I can but at least it is sitting in my safe and I get to say hi to it daily. :D

spectrrr 01-25-2013 06:12 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1786967)
Well, in my case, credit card charges and will skimp on what I can and pay off as soon as I can but at least it is sitting in my safe and I get to say hi to it daily. :D

Can never underestimate the pleasure gained from giving it a daily hello :)

emopunker2004 01-25-2013 07:18 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
lancer and troy mags in stock limit 2. primaryarms.com site is touch and go right now, sure it's getting hammered

emopunker2004 01-25-2013 07:19 PM

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nevermind, its gone

Drez 01-25-2013 08:02 PM

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Forgot I picked up this beauty a couple weeks ago. :D

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/t...AD3C6AA457.jpg

emopunker2004 01-25-2013 08:33 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Firgot?

spectrrr 01-25-2013 08:33 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
nice :tu

big a 01-26-2013 08:04 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
I ran back to the gun shop and grabbed the CM9 while i could get it for under $400 still. Now i just have to wait on the PJ holster. Pictures to come.

Blueface 01-26-2013 02:42 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by big a (Post 1787112)
I ran back to the gun shop and grabbed the CM9 while i could get it for under $400 still. Now i just have to wait on the PJ holster. Pictures to come.

Paul is running way behind.
I just hit four weeks and nothing yet.
In the past, they would ship within two to three weeks.
Seems everyone is slammed.

spectrrr 01-26-2013 03:36 PM

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My oh my... how did I miss seeing this thing of beauty before?



http://i.imgur.com/Y9M9NNH.jpg?1




http://i.imgur.com/b4NRIHJ.jpg?1

spectrrr 01-26-2013 03:47 PM

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Finally, a gun related short that I wouldn't mind wearing anywhere :)
It's a little pricey at $25 for a t-shirt... but it is nice.
black:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=AVJ3ZIE5QQJ59
grey/brown
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=AVJ3ZIE5QQJ59
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...L._SL1024_.jpg

Steelerfanatic 01-26-2013 03:50 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drez (Post 1787012)
Forgot I picked up this beauty a couple weeks ago. :D

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/t...AD3C6AA457.jpg


Is that the Hellfire Sport? If so I just ordered one.

bonjing 01-26-2013 03:55 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
We were trying to get a jump on those umbrella lowers since before all the craze. And even then it was a pain in the butt to get them.

spectrrr 01-26-2013 04:03 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjing (Post 1787245)
We were trying to get a jump on those umbrella lowers since before all the craze. And even then it was a pain in the butt to get them.

I'd never heard of them.. but I'm loving the looks.... now to get my hands on one.... :r :r :r

hammondc 01-26-2013 04:12 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1787235)
My oh my... how did I miss seeing this thing of beauty before?



http://i.imgur.com/Y9M9NNH.jpg?1




http://i.imgur.com/b4NRIHJ.jpg?1

Badass. Suppose you could get a Milla Jovovich relief cut in too?

Drez 01-26-2013 04:15 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steelerfanatic (Post 1787243)
Is that the Hellfire Sport? If so I just ordered one.

It's a wasr with tapco stock set, trigger and muzzle break.

Buddy at one of the police stores/ gun shops gave me the last one they had for decent price.


I want that umbrella lower!!!!

emopunker2004 01-26-2013 05:25 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1787235)
My oh my... how did I miss seeing this thing of beauty before?



http://i.imgur.com/Y9M9NNH.jpg?1




http://i.imgur.com/b4NRIHJ.jpg?1

Those were a limited edition run and pricey

MurphysLaw 01-26-2013 06:02 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drez (Post 1787255)
It's a wasr with tapco stock set, trigger and muzzle break.

Buddy at one of the police stores/ gun shops gave me the last one they had for decent price.


I want that umbrella lower!!!!

I want to do my wasr in the od green tapco

ysr_racer 01-26-2013 06:31 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Are you guys falling for all this "panic buying"?

I rufuse to be part of the problem. I have everythig I need, and them some.

Remo 01-26-2013 06:33 PM

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No panic buying here.

CigarSquid 01-26-2013 06:35 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
No panic buying here either.

I was thinking of getting a ton of 9mm ammo before everything went crazy.. Wish I jumped on it then.

So hard to find some decent ammo for good price that is available.

I did just get done building the target stand from, http://www.usacarry.com/portable-target-stand/

Drez 01-26-2013 06:36 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
I've had this ak on the back burner for a while. My buddy's called me up and told me he was down to the last one and remembers me eyeing it a few months ago before that panic. He gave it to me at that times price.

Brian I dont mind thae black cause my ar, 10-22 and mossberg all have black synthetic too. Od green would be really nice though.

spectrrr 01-26-2013 07:07 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1787271)
Those were a limited edition run and pricey

Not terrible. The original run was $135, the current batch is up to $175. That's more or less in line with what you would pay for a premium lower I think. Only trick was getting your hands on one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysr_racer (Post 1787294)
Are you guys falling for all this "panic buying"?

I rufuse to be part of the problem. I have everythig I need, and them some.

I have made a large number of purchases in the last few months, but the only relation it shares with the panic buying is the unfortunate coincidence of calendar date :(

Blueface 01-26-2013 07:11 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysr_racer (Post 1787294)
Are you guys falling for all this "panic buying"?

I rufuse to be part of the problem. I have everythig I need, and them some.

Panic buying is not the problem.
Panic buying is a response to the problem.
Those not well prepared, go on a spree to get things they see threatened of being able to get in the future.

I did a whole lot of panic buying. AR10, lots of mags for it, lots of mags for AR15, ammo, etc.
However, I paid the pre panic prices, even through the panic. I refuse to pay the inflated prices if available cheaper through other sources.
I unfortunately did not have everything I need and still don't. If the cause for the panic is put into true effect through new laws, I, like many, will be left without everything we need if we don't get it now.

Panic buying has relevance depending on what side of that fence one falls.

MurphysLaw 01-26-2013 07:20 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drez (Post 1787298)
Brian I dont mind thae black cause my ar, 10-22 and mossberg all have black synthetic too. Od green would be really nice though.

My Ar and Remington 870 are black synthetic, my SKS is Flat Dark Earth Tapco, been wanting to ditch the wood furniture in the WASR for a while.

Steelerfanatic 01-26-2013 07:54 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
I am panic buying but not at the ridiculous prices. I picked up a Daniel defense v5 and the ak47 at msrp. Ammo is where I got caught short. I have 1000's of rounds of 9 and 40 but less than 300 rounds of 223 or 556. Been hitting the Dicks at 9 on Friday and picking up the 6 box max of what they get in.

Steve 01-26-2013 08:19 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1787296)
No panic buying here.

Here either :banger

spectrrr 01-26-2013 08:25 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/20...xx-d49z7aa.png

HOLY SH!T!!! I got one... I actually managed to get one!!!!!!!!!!!

:noon :noon :noon :noon


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