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The producers have already said they will not be able to answer all of the questions before the series finale. You are just going to have to take what they give us and go from there. Personally last night, I think we got more answers in the first 7 minutes than we had in the past year or two.

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Ironically, they also said they would answer all the questions before the end.
In a big splashy promo. I guess what they say in a magazine or online and
what they say in promos can be different and it's just OK. I hate them.
"The check's in the mail and I promise I won't ____ __ ____ ______!

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I think this is also the reason for a lot of the imagery of mirrors (heh, get it--"mirror imagery"?!) being used this year. Many of the characters (except, I think, Hurley) spend time gazing at their reflections in each of their character-centric episodes.

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:xxx

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Notice however that I still feel the need to have an opinion. :=:

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No new episode next week. :td



1. Flash-sideways:
* Jack:

i. Jack reviews John Locke’s injury at the hospital. That passing reference to Locke's obliterated dural sac was a nod to the classic moment in the pilot when Jack recounted his most harrowing moment as a young doctor. He had to repair a dural sac and seized with fear. His father told him to count to 10. Jack recounted this story when he talked Kate through stitching up his side wound after the 815 crash.

ii. Upon entering the office building where Ilana’s office was a sign read "Visitors must sign in". Both Claire and Desmond signed it, and later Jack but not David. Perhaps this is indicative of our Losties being nothing more than visitors to this timeline.

iii. Jack peers into the operating room mirror and sees Locke's face, and as viewers we're flashed back to the spinal operation he did on Ben at the Hydra station. This is where Ben cryptically told Jack "See you on the other side", something that made little sense at the time. Now however, Jack is on the other side. Maybe this scenario is what triggers his own magic memory moment.

* Desmond: Much like Flocke, he is manipulating Losties toward a specific end. Both resort to violence to get what they want. And both are hard to resist if you allow them to start talking to you.
* Kate: At the Police Station she claimed to be innocent. Maybe she is innocent in the flash-sideways world?
* Sawyer: Eating an apple when he sat down to talk with Kate. The apple was the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden that Eve gave to Adam. Sawyer asked Kate if she wanted an apple. She didn't take it but was it a clue on who will be the Adam & Eve on the island? Just about everyone in this scene wears black. Sawyer, Kate, the police, the detectives... even the hat Kate puts on as Sawyer runs off to catch Sayid is black.



2. Flocke:
* Flocke sent Sawyer off to retrieve the sailboat so Flocke’s camp could sail over to Hydra Island. So off he went with Kate, splintering from the rest of the group. This was a mirror of what happened at the end of Season 2, as Hurley, Jack, Kate, and Sawyer went off to confront The Others, and Sayid, Sun, and Jin took the sailboat to try and meet up with them.

· Admitted to appearing as Christian Shepherd on the island (to help Jack find water).



3. Sailboat: The Elizabeth: the sailboat Libby gave to Desmond for his solo trip around the world.



4. On-Island Jack:
* Jack and Flocke talking by torchlight at night, yet when they went back to camp it was daylight.
* 2 creepy scenes: 1) Jack saying: "If that thing wants us to leave, maybe it's afraid of what happens if we stay?" and 2) Claire saying to Jack "You decided the moment you let him talk to you, like the rest of us. Whether you like it or not, you're with him now."
* From Season 3's finale, only now instead of Jack yelling after Kate, "We have to go back!" Kate is now yelling at Sawyer about Jack..."We have to go back!"

· The beach explosions: I didn’t hear this but other people describe the scene as follows… “First, when Jack hits the ground, sounds like he just fell into water...you can hear a splash. Then you hear a bunch of muffled voices, sounds like chaos. Then a woman’s voice (sounds like Kate), scream "noooooo". Then it sounds like Jack's voice says "Kate"....and then you hear a woman say "Sawyer".” Is this something we haven't seen yet or just the whisperers getting excited as they tend to do? Flocke stands motionless as Hell breaks out all around him. Creepy.

* Sawyer demands that Jack leave “his” boat. What Sawyer doesn't realize is that the off-island world isn't all that it's cracked up to be... something Jack learned first-hand a few seasons back, while Sawyer was stuck in the Dharma Initiative.



5. Widmore:

· Widmore orders that the Losties be taken prisoner. Warning: Star Wars reference coming… Did Widmore just pull an Emperor Palpatine? Emperor Palpatine initially acts as a man who has good intentions and loyalty, but look out, he is actually Darth Sidious! And what did Emperor Palpatine want to do? Set in motion a war to weaken the Senate and Jedi's so he could take control.....hmmm sounds familiar. As Ben and Flocke have said, Widmore just wants control of the Island.

· But now, why does he want the Candidates (minus Sayid)? As bait to lure Flocke there since Flocke needs them to leave? Does Widmore want to kill our Losties...just as he gave the green light to when he sent the freighter?

· Interesting Theory! Flocke and Widmore are actually collaborators in a conspiracy to manipulate (and ultimately destroy) the castaways in order to achieve mutually advantageous goals. We know that Flocke wants to leave The Island. What might Widmore want in this scenario? Maybe Widmore wants to replace Flocke as the new Smokey. Maybe Widmore is driven by a fear of death; becoming a black cloud of all-powerful disembodied consciousness is his ticket to eternal life.



6. Sayid:
* Sayid's problem is that he allows other people to define him — and then buys into it. His father, his country, the United States military, Ben, Dogen, and Flocke — they've all told Sayid that he's a killer, and he's accepted their judgment. Desmond's challenge to Sayid: Decide for yourself who you are and what you want to be. Maybe Sayid accepted Desmond's challenge and decided that who he wants to be is the man Nadia fell in love with — the man who chose not to be her killer; the man who sacrificed his own safety so that she could be free. He made a choice to be that man once. Maybe at the well, Sayid made the choice to be that man again?
* Desmond says "What will you tell her?" Perhaps the only thing Sayid cares about (if he is starting to feel things again) is what Nadia thinks of him, both on and off the island. In the flash-sideways world he packs his things telling Nadia he has to leave forever, Nadia says “what did you do?”



7. Kate theory: She has always been on the lamb or running from something. This show is about redemption so maybe it’s Kate who replaces Jacob… in a job that can last… centuries?



8. Claire: Claire tells Jack that a person who lets Flocke speak to them is automatically committed to his side. Later, she is convinced by Kate that she still has a choice and switches sides after 3 years???



9. The previews from the end of the episode: "HIS SOUL HAD GONE MAD - BEING ALONE IN THE WILDERNESS.” This line is from Heart of Darkness, the book that Apocalypse Now was based on. In the book, as Kurtz dies he says “the horrors…” also mentioned in the previews.



10. Questioning Ghost Jacob’s motives: When Hurley got lost in the jungle and stumbled upon Jacob's cabin and peeked in the window and saw Ghost Christian in a rocking chair. Then an eyeball popped into the frame and glared right back at him and scared the hell out of Hurley. Assuming that Jacob's cabin didn't belong to Jacob at all, but was instead a prison for Smokey, I wonder if Smokey literally got into Hurley's head in that moment and has been messing with him ever since.



Consider Ghost Jacob. In the season premiere, he instructed Hurley to take Sayid to The Temple for healing. How did that turn out? Sayid came back to life and helped Flocke. In ''Lighthouse,'' Ghost Jacob instructed Hurley to take Jack to the lighthouse by evoking his father's memory. (''You have what it takes.'') How did that turn out? The experience left Jack convinced that Jacob was a perverted voyeur who had been spying on him since childhood and further convinced him that The Island was not a place where he'd find healing for his brokenness. Putting Jack in such a place helps Flocke’s cause because it sets Jack up for one of Flocke’s bargains. What do you want most in the world, Jack? Reconciliation with someone you love? Your father, perhaps? Because I can do that. We haven't heard Flocke verbally make that pitch yet, but judging from what we've seen in the Sideways world, it looks like Sideways Jack lives in a world where his father issues have been resolved via an increasingly healthy relationship with his son.

11. Smokey is the embodiment of fear theory: When Jack told Flocke he didn't have any idea what he was, Flocke offered a cryptic reply: ''Sure you do.'' Was Flocke hinting at the secret to his true identity and nature, and that if Jack recognized him as he truly was, he would realize that he's known him quite well for a very long time. Flash back to Jack's ''count to five'' story about fear management in the pilot episode. Maybe Flocke is an embodiment of fear. Many characters have been referring to Flocke as “that thing” lately (See: Ilana, Richard, Widmore.) Of course, The Thing is a title belonging to two great science fiction films, the 1951 Howard Hawks original and the 1982 John Carpenter remake, about an alien life form marooned on Earth. Both were allegories about xenophobia and demonization.



12. Stephen King: His new book Under the Dome is set a few years into the future. A character mentions watching a sequel to the show LOST. It is called "The Hunted Ones."

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:( I thought that they were doing an uninterrupted season this year...

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They were, and like everything else they told us, it's a big lie.

I thought this was funny in Muge's update:

Jack and Flocke talking by torchlight at night, yet when they went back to camp it was daylight

In any other entertainment thread context, this is a continuity issue. In lost it's a clue, :r:r:r

The explosions on the beach I did hear the calling back and forth and the muffled voices, but
I assumed it was just ear ringy stuff. I'd have to watch it again for a splash sound. It could
be that people associated the muffled and ringy sound as underwater. To me it was like the
opening of Saving Private Ryan. Just compression probs in the ear.

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I like what was also written HERE:

''I remember how I felt the last time I left. Like a part of me was missing. We were brought here because we were supposed to do something, James. And if Locke — of that 'thing' — wants us to leave, then maybe it's afraid of what happens if we stay?'' In that line, it seemed to me that Jack was applying several lessons of his Island experience, including all the hard lessons Ben had taught him over the years about Island bad guys. Island bad guys figure out what you want most in life, then exploit it. Island bad guys always motivate you with fear and urgency and want you to act before you've taken the time to think things through. Island bad guys make it sound like you share common interests, but in most cases, whatever it is they want you to do is actually the exact opposite of what you should be doing.

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My wife noted the underwater muffles, too, and related it to the same kind of muffled sounds Kate heard when she shimmied down out of the tree in this season's premiere. She thinks it's somehow related to the fact that the island is underwater in the sideways world.

She also premised that what Sayid "wants most in the world" might no longer be Nadia--which everone assumes--but instead may be Shannon (Boone's stepsister.) I had forgotten all about the Sayid-Shannon relationship.

One last thing that I haven't read anywhere: when Kate is fleeing the airport in the cab, they come to a screeching halt in front of Artz & all his luggage. Artz bangs the hood of the cab and says "I'm walkin' here! I'm walkin' here!" There was something about that line that stuck in my head, and I finally figured out what it was after re-watching that episode recently: it's a relatively famous line by Dustin Hoffman from Midnight Cowboy. Artz said it with the exact same inflection & cadence. It was also used in Back to the Future 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yov2d0MmVsc

Probably doesn't have anything to do with anything, I was just proud of myself for spotting something!

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:tu very nice catch.

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Sorry, if it was Saving Private Ryan it was underwater muffles. When The guys exit the
landing craft, the sound design is wicked cool in that when the camera is underwater,
the sound is muffled and when it comes out of the water it comes back to full. A striking
effect I'll always love from that movie. If it's ear ringing, it actually reminds me of "Carentan"
in Band of Brothers after a round explodes next to a guy and his hearing is muffled and
ineffective. I likened the muffles to the fact that a major explosion had just taken place.
With my hearing, I am lucky if I hear the whispering people when the smoke shows up.
No need to get all worried about what happens this week. :td

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No new episode this week so just some thoughts and info to share:



1) A funny video summarizing Locke’s story through the use of action figures and rap music:

LOST Untangled: Locked and Loaded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV1SXXnJVT0

2) Why is Jack suddenly calling Sawyer “James?” He never used to do that.

3) Some items that popped up during the enhanced re-run of Richard’s episode (I can’t confirm these because I didn’t watch it myself):

· * Revealed that Jacob brings people, who have directly or indirectly taken a life, to the island.

* The first rule of the Island is that no one enters the statue without Jacob’s permission, and that Flocke and Ben broke that rule.



* Flocke couldn't leave the island even when Jacob was killed (because of the candidates).



* When Isabella appeared to Richard on the ship she was actually the smoke monster. She appeared to Hurley the other time as a seemingly normal ghost.



* That Jacob “claims” to be the protector of the island. (Why was “claims” in parenthesis?)



· * A caption read (paraphrasing) that in season 1 Jack said that the Losties’ pasts did not matter anymore. That since the crash they were all given the chance to start over. (Maybe this redemption is what breaks the cycle that Flocke spoke about to Jacob… Jacob’s response “it only ends once. Everything else is just progress.”)

* Revealed that the doctor Richard went to for help for Isabella’s cough was conning him… the medicine the doctor wanted Richard’s money for was not a cure.

4) Theory! What if by choosing John Locke’s body to take over, Smokey will essentially be the cause of his own demise, since Locke was a candidate? Or, what if Jacob took over Smokey’s original body and when Ben pushed that body into the fire he destroyed Smokey’s original body… which will somehow prevent Smokey from leaving the island? Basically, has Smokey been tricked into being trapped in the "wrong" body?

5) Theory! Remember Ben’s childhood friend Annie? The one who made him the dolls? What if Ben and Annie were “together” later on the island, Annie got pregnant and died. This would explain why she was no longer on the island later in life and why Ben had a preoccupation with the island’s pregnancy issues. I doubt her mysterious disappearance from the show will be resolved so I’m just going to pretend this is what happened. J

6) Interview with the show’s producer:

“Damon Lindelof says Lost fans will be asking, "What did they mean by this?" after they see the series finale of ABC's mind-bending series. In a video interview with The Hollywood Reporter, the show's executive producer says that the final episodes are meant to answer questions, as well as provoke others. "We're trying to end Lost in a way that feels Lost-ian and fair and will generate a tremendous amount of theorizing," he said. "We're going to be as definitive as we can be and say this is our ending, but there's no way to end the show where the fans aren't going to say, 'What did they mean by this?' Which is why we're not going to explain it."

Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, his co-executive producer on the show, have publicly stated that they won't comment on the finale after it airs on May 23.

Lindelof also revealed that the final scene of the series was not shot sequentially, since new sets had to be constructed for the purpose. "That would have been a very nice idea to [shoot the last scene last], but for reasons of maintaining the secrecy of the show, and burying it in the middle of the production schedule was part of it, and also, we had to build some sets for the finale."”

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This is why they are Aholes. I am sure that they do not owe me my life back after wasting 5+ years on this crappo,
but to say all the questions will be answered and then constantly back off ot that statment is just intolerable BS.
I wish em all luck in hell.

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:r:r:r:r:r

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Wow is all I can say about last night. The Kwon's exit was quite emotional. Sayid is gone too... Sawyer is such a stuborn prick.

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QFT

And don't forget: Lapidus took a hatch door to the head... :(

I read somewhere (here?) that the producers had a few episodes this season where they "cleaned house." Guess last night was one of them.

Widmore telling Kate that she's not on any list further made me suspicious that he's in league with Flocke somehow. Kate's name was crossed off of Flocke's cave list, but IIRC she was still active on Jacob's lighthouse list.

Powerful episode last night.

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So if Sawyer didn't pull the bomb wires out the island wouldn't have let Jack die and all would still be fine? Is Jack our guy for sure at this point? I don't believe that, my money is still on Hurley. Or...or...or.... :r

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I think Widmore is a good guy. Notice Ben was not in last night's episode at all? What does that mean? Where was he?

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I think Sawyer's affirmative act made the detonation and possible death of all the candidates possible. Smokey couldn't do it on his own - the bomb would have fizzled like the dynamite in the cave. Richard couldn't kill a candidate either. But once Sawyer altered it, it became live.

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Also, what the the protective range of the island? Even if Sawyer had not pulled out the wires, would they have really been saved since they were not actually ON the island when the bomb went off? Could Jack have been lulled into a false sense of security based on the Black Rock incident?

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There's an underwater hatch around somewhere, so I think they were still within the island's range. I'm thinking that it radiates out a far bit--like, to where Widmore's freighter was--because of how it disappeared when Locke turned the wheel. Also, I think Jack spoke the truth, not only as he knew it, but he hit on one of the key concepts of "the game"--and he actually formed a pretty logical, convincing, Jack-like argument to back it up, too.

So, in the end, what does this say about Sayid, that he was willing to sacrifice himself? Was he just paying back Jack for saving him? He certainly didn't get to reunite with Nadia or Shannon....

And does anyone think that these actions will have an impact on their sideways lives? Much like Desmond running over Locke may have been influenced by him getting shoved down the well.

Was it Richard who wired the plane with explosives? Remember that Isabella told him he had to stop MIB from leaving the island.

As for Ben, I have to think about where he went. Didn't he get on Sawyer's boat with Claire?

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You didn't hear it from me but our Losties aren't dead. The sub sinks right on top of a scuba tour boat that is fully loaded with gear and tanks ready to go. When the sub crashes to the bottom all the gear floats up and right into the hands of Jin who swims around and saves everyone. Sayid only has a scratch from the c4 and everyone else lives.
















OK that's a stretch but is it any more of a stretch than polar bears in the sand?

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Was it just me, or was the entire program this week a whole pile of NOTHING, except
for as it was termed, cleaning house. Did anyone learn anything about anything.
I guess we DID learn that Flocke CAN touch water and live to tell, lol.

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Here's something to ponder on the similarities/differences between the island now and the sideways world:

On-island Jin & Sun die, their daughter lives.
It hasn't happened yet but what if Sideways Jin & Sun live, but they lose the baby?

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Plausable theory based on how the sideways world 'works.'

Watched it again on Hulu last night. When Jin and Sun realize they are going down with the sub, Jin TOTALLY sounds like he's doing a bad Keanu Reeves impression.

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You got it backwards. It's Keanu Reeves that sounds like he's doing a bad Jin impression when he's acting!

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LOST season 6, ep# 13 "The Candidate"

New finale news!

1. The LOST finale on Sunday, May 23rd has been extended! It will now run from 9pm-11:30pm (followed immediately by “Jimmy Kimmel Live: Aloha to Lost” post-finale special at 11:30pm).



Jack flash-sideways:

1. Claire explained to Jack that she too was on Oceanic 815; it seemed as if Jack was starting to realize that something was fishy after finding out the same thing from Bernard.
2. Jack and John in the hallway at the hospital: By still clinging to their old ideologies, Locke and Jack are still unable to 'see' the truth. For Desmond, it took a brutal reminder of Charlie underwater. But for Jack and Locke... throughout duplicated scenarios and repeat dialogue, these characters still don't get it. They're still blinded by the inability to break out of their old bad habits... let go of certain things: for Locke it's his guilt, and for Jack it's his constant need for control/ to fix things.



Anthony Cooper flash-sideways:

1. Anthony Cooper not a con-man in flash-sideways, but a nice man in a wheelchair (like Locke!). Similar story to the relationship between Ben and Roger Linus on-island versus off-island. Both Ben and Locke had been cursed with horrible fathers previously, but in the flash-sideways things are different.
2. Locke told Jack how he became a paraplegic. Upon getting his pilot's license 3 years ago, Locke took his father for a ride — and they crashed. The irony! (Lots of reference to 3 years on the show... Juliet was on the island for 3 years, Desmond was on the island for 3 years, the Losties worked for Dharma for 3 years, etc)



Recycled scenes/ dialogue:

1. Kate is threatened at gunpoint outside the cage in front of Sawyer, mirroring when Sawyer was threatened at gunpoint by Pickett outside the cage in front of Kate in the Season 3 episode "I Do."
2. Bernard says “I hope you find what you're looking for" to Jack at the dentist's office. This is exactly what Kate told Jack in Episode 5 of this season, "The Lighthouse" and what Bernard/ Rose told the Losties outside of the cabin where he and Rose shacked up.
3. In the hospital hallway Jack called after John "I wish you believed me." This is the same message from John to Jack in his suicide note in "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham."
4. Jack's words when the bomb in the sub is about to blow "nothing's going to happen" are echoed in season two, when he tells Locke the same thing about pushing the button. These words are repeated again that season by Locke when he loses faith in the button and tells Eko the same thing.



Flocke:

1. Flocke told Jack: ''I could kill you Jack, Right here. Right now. And I could kill every single one of your friends. And there's not a single thing you can do to stop me.'' We know he's lying... but maybe Flocke really can kill the candidates himself but then just won't get what he wants: escape.
2. We’ve been, somewhat, led to believe that Flocke is averse to water. This would explain why an island would make such an effective prison for him. However, when Ilana first saw him he was standing in water at the Ajira crash and when Jack pulled him into the water this week he didn’t seem weakened.
3. Just before pushing Flocke into the water, Jack says "John Locke told me I needed to stay." I loved him throwing that back in Flocke’s face! John Locke was no loser!



Bernard flash-sideways:

1. "You mind if I ask you why you're so interested in Mr. Locke... Jack?" Bernard casually adds Jack's name to the end of the sentence, as if they're old buddies. Also, watch the knowing smile that crosses Bernard's face immediately afterward, "Oceanic 815. Pretty weird huh? Maybe you're onto something, here."
2. Bernard seems to know more but Jack needs to figure it out for himself (like Sayid handing Jin a knife to free himself, like when Locke supports Charlie to refuse heroin, but didn't directly help him, like when Locke gave Boone the knife to cut himself free during the episode "Hearts and Minds" and like when Jacob said “sometimes you have to let someone stare at the water for a while and figure it out for themselves.”).
3. Did Bernard remember the name Anthony Cooper after 3 years because Desmond already visited him?



Sawyer got conned:

1. Flocke didn't just con Sawyer, the con man — he exploited Sawyer's redemption. Once a selfish rogue, Sawyer has become a selfless hero over the past six seasons, and Flocke used that turn to his advantage. Flocke played Sawyer by basically giving him a Jack Shephard makeover (who's the desperate-reckless hero now, James?).
2. Sawyer blames Jack for Juliet’s death (Jughead), but he has stepped into the same role… taking action on behalf of others without thinking of the consequences.



Sayid, my favorite character:

1. Oh Sayid!!!! I’m devastated!!! :(
2. Whatever happened at the well, whatever Desmond said, it seemed to challenge Sayid, to shut down the voices of other people inside his head telling him that he’s a killer. In the end, he died so others may live.
3. Sayid: ''Because it's going to be you, Jack.'' Such a great scene! How does he know?! I don't care, I loved it.
4. Remember when Sayid saved Hurley at the mental institution and the pair was attacked at Sayid's apartment? Sayid loaded his dishwasher knife blades pointed UP and pushed a bad buy down onto them.... that was SO badass. :(



Jin/ Sun:

1. Jin told Jack: ''Save Sawyer.'' Jack wanted to stay; he believed he could save everyone. Jin disagreed, and the two men shared a meaningful stare. We all knew what Jin was really saying…
2. This post from a message board sums it up nicely: “…But I also thought that it was fitting that Jin and Sun died the way they did. Don't misunderstand - I cried for 10 full minutes afterward. But to me there was something so beautiful about the way their story was resolved. They had been through so much unhappiness in their marriage before coming to the island. Sun had felt such pain and guilt for leaving Jin behind when she left the island the first time. This time Jin chose not to leave her behind. (See, its all about choices) They weren’t separated but finally truly found each other. If they couldn’t be together in life then they would be together in death.” :(



The Island:

1. Continuity errors aside, there has to be something up with the passing of time on the island. Over the past several weeks we've watched night turn to day in a just matter of hours, and vice versa. As Sawyer tells Kate, it feels like we're running in circles. Time-wise, those circles now seem to be getting smaller and smaller. If this is intentional, perhaps the island is shifting or moving through time, as we saw way back in season 4 with Faraday’s rocket experiment.



Jacob:

1. Last season, Jacob said to Smokey on the beach “it only ends once.” What if there is no replacement for Jacob? What if Jacob wants it to END… destroy the island (and Smokey with it)… let the Losties live out the flash-sideways reality…



A nice post, from a message board, regarding John Locke not being as pathetic as Smokey thinks:

Jack: "John Locke told me I needed to stay."

“This phrase that Jack uttered to Flocke is one of the best lines of season 6. It kinda felt as though John Locke was still alive and definitely not the pathetic loser and chump that Flocke seems to have made him seem this season. It also, in my opinion, makes Jack appear to have come full circle, finally trusting in someone other than himself.

Jack's little shout out to John Locke also means that Locke wasn't a fool, but a courageous believer who, for better or worse, stuck to his guns. Sure Locke lacked logic and reason in some areas, but he made up for it with heart and courage. Jack on the other hand was logical and reasonable, but he lacked in the heart and courage part. Now Jack seems to possess all of these qualities.

I think the writers were telling us this when in the hospital scene where Jack says to Locke that he wanted to let go and move forward but he didn't know how, and has hoping Locke would “go first.” In the original timeline Locke definitely did go first and tried to show Jack how to be a believer (although Jack wasn't interested). Now hopefully Jack can move forward with all of his qualities, including his newfound faith, and do what he has to do.”

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I've watched it twice now and both times I thought he said 'Because it's GOOD to be you, Jack." Maybe I need to get my ears cleaned. :(

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So long dead dudes.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...y_BugsyXoX.gif

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That's freakin' me out

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A fantastic episode this week. Answered a lot of questions that I had about the show.. :tu

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"Our very own Adam and Eve."

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From a CNN comment:

"Fake Mom was a smoky too I believe... She quoted man in black word for word (they come, they destroy...), she ripped through the site setting fire to everything, she thanked son for killing her, and he killed her by stabbing her throught he heart 'before she spoke to him' just like Dogen told Sayid he had to if you are to kill a smoke monster."

I'm not sure I buy it, but its an interesting thought.

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Makes sense! Wait.. this is LOST, so you never know :r

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I was really pleased to get some actual info last night.

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Hell of a night for me to forget it was coming on! But then, I am the one who HATES it right?

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You FORGOT?!!! That's it, yer banned. :su

:D

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Kind of reminded me of my friend's mom. She was sure creepy. Someone had to be the smoke monster to wipe out that village. It has to be mom or Jacob.

Did they ever say what the brother's name is? This episode would've been better if it was earlier in the history of the show. It seems like too much too late.

When does Ben come back to the series?

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Infant in Black.
Child in Black.
Teen in Black.

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Yup. It proves that the writers did NOT have a plan all along like they kept insisting. If you look at the series as one long movie or book, there's serious pacing problems. I'd have been so much more invested in the struggles of Jacob and Black if we'd been shown this much sooner. Season one or two preferably, but hell, even earlier in Season 6.

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Two things. I think that they screwed the pacing up because of ABC's refusal to allow them a hard end date to the show, thus they had no idea how long they were going to have to fill out the middle of the story.

Second, I agree I would've been more invested in the Jacob/MIB story if I had seen this episode earlier, but too much earlier and there wouldn't have really been enough understanding of what's going on. Towards the beginning of season 6 or even end of 5 would've been good, earlier than that and I think it wouldn't have made much sense and ruined the whole mystery they wanted to build up about Jacob and the MIB.

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At this point I have completely given up on trying to figure out WTF is going on and I'm just enjoying the ride. :)

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quitter!

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I think the whole Jacob v Smokey story line is quite pointless. I just think they ran out of ideas, and/or realized that their approach to the past few seasons really had no direction. As such they did not know to get out of the hole they dug for themselves. I will say that I am impressed at how they are able to use the same dozen filming spots over and over again, and almost make them look like different places in the jungle.

Re: LOST Notes
 

The problem with Lost is that they couldn't actually give you clues to what's going on. If they did, people on forum sites would have been able to figure out what's going on way before the end of the series. And no one likes having their secrets come out sooner than planned.

My mom watches a ton of mystery shows and if the cable went out in the middle of a Sherlock Holmes mystery, she'd be able to tell me how it would have ended. If the Lost people actually wrote logically and with clues/rational resolutions, we would have been able to guess the ending. So they have to write like dickheads.

When MIB/Jacob's murderous stepmother said to Claudia "any answer would lead to more questions, just be thankful you're alive," she was actually speaking to us the audience. It was quite an insult. "Don't expect any good answers from us, just be thankful we're around to entertain you."

I see WHY they tooled us around but that doesn't exactly make me feel better about it.

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Haha! I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that way about that line :r

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I was eating dinner when the episode was on and when she said that I looked up fully expecting to see the actress delivering her line directly to the camera LOL

LOST episode #14 "Across the Sea"
 

LOST episode #14 "Across the Sea"

1. Claudia – the real mom

a. Claudia is the female version of the name "Claudius", which is a Roman name (and judging by her clothes and speaking Latin we can assume this all occurred during the Roman Empire – early ADs).

b. Brother (nameless) saw Claudia’s ghost, but Jacob didn’t… is it because Brother doubted what Mother told him and was, therefore “open” to believe there is a world outside of the island?

2. The Game

a. The game is Senet, and comes from ancient Egypt, maybe as far back as 3000 BC, and was often buried in tombs with the dead as its luck element was believed to demonstrate that certain people were protected by the gods. The game board that Brother finds could signal that the Egyptians came to the island well before Claudia's people, or that a group of Egyptians crashed there during the twins' childhood.

b. Brother says “one day you can make up your own game and everyone else will have to follow your rules." So, I’ll assume that means the island’s protector makes up the rules. Was one of Jacob’s rules (after Brother becomes Smokey) “you can scan people who come to the island to see if they are pure/ good or jaded/ corrupted. If someone scans “good” then leave them alone. Give them a chance to make the right choices. If someone scans “corrupted” you can kill them instantly.” Just a thought.

3. Mother

a. What she created for the boys reminded me of the Truman Show (Jim Carrey movie). She could tell the kids whatever she wanted and they wouldn’t know the difference… until a group of outsiders came to the island. Considering all the things she told them what was true and what was a lie told to keep them there?

b. Did Mother’s killing of Claudia create a curse of the pregnant women? Did Brother reinforce that curse by killing his adoptive Mother? Ethan Rom and Aaron Littleton were born on the island — but maybe they were exceptions permitted by Jacob or to facilitate their respective plans for the Losties…their “loopholes.”

c. ''I've made it so you can never hurt each other.'' Besides explaining why Brother had to use a proxy to kill Jacob, Mother's line said something about the power that an Island guardian wields — including the ability to make ''the rules.''

d. When Mother returned to her home/ cave after filling in the wheel well, she silently surveyed the scene and found the Senet box. Then Brother stabbed her. She fell to the ground and whispered a word: ''Nothing.'' She told her son that she couldn't let him leave because she loved him, and then she thanked him for killing her and died.

i. Three things to notice about this scene:

1. How she ''silently'' surveyed her camp. Remember Dogen's instructions to Sayid? Sayid had to plunge the knife into Flocke’s chest before Flocke spoke. Also, Smokey instructed Richard similarly when he sent Richard to kill Jacob (kill him before he speaks to you). Mother didn’t speak so Brother could kill her… she wanted to die.

2. Mother said ''Nothing'' before she died. Sayid also seemed to suffer from some kind of numbness, a state of emotional nothingness. Said he felt numb/ nothing.

3. Brother used the same knife to kill Mother that Dogen gave Sayid to kill Flocke, that Smokey gave Richard to kill Jacob.

4. Jungle Boy

a. It’s young Jacob. It seems that Jacob is appearing as his own younger form in an attempt to rattle Smokey/ Brother.

b. Both in their youth and as adults, Jacob pummeled Brother bloody. I'm guessing that explains the blood on young, ghost Jacob's hands when he appeared to Flocke in “The Substitute.”

5. Tapestry

a. Mother was weaving a tapestry, recalling the scene last year where we were introduced to Jacob weaving in the base of the statue.

b. When Mother returned to the caves after filling in Brother’s wheel well, she found her tapestry destroyed…Flocke destroyed Jacob’s tapestry in the foot of the statue earlier this season.

6. The Cave of Light

a. From what I’ve read, best described as a “whirlpool of ethereal life-giving energy — a wellspring of eternal life.”

b. Mother said some interesting things… "if the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere" (this is what Widmore and Ms. Hawking are referring to when they say that if Smokey gets off the island everything else will cease to exist. Mother also said that going down there is a fate "much worse than dying"… does she know this because it happened to her? Is she some sort of Smoke Monster? Is that how she killed all of the Roman settlers, burned their camp, and filled in the wheel well?

c. Silly theory… Is the cave light “time” (or eternal life)? Mother said “every man has a little… but wants more…” Was she Mother Time? Is the Smoke Monster the end of time (which is why everything ceases to exist if he’s released)?

i. “They’re not like us. They don’t belong here. We are here for a reason” the boys were told. And when the boys asked what the reason was, after a long pause, Mother responded “It’s not time yet.”

ii. Faraday said “I can make time,” Room 23 brainwashed with “only fools are enslaved by time and space”, the list goes on!

d. Brother looked at the cave light and declared 'It's beautiful.” Exactly John Locke's statement upon looking into "the Smoke Monster" the first time. Now that we know what the Smoke Monster was borne out of, it makes sense. Was Smokey showing this “beautiful” image to Locke enticing him to have a communion with the island, knowing that Locke was the one Smokey would impersonate/ become one day?

e. Consider the Sideways world, and remember that The Island is sunken there. Did someone succeed in putting out the light in that world? And what does it mean that the Losties are now remembering their Island world experience?

7. Mother Loved the Boys Differently

a. She knew that Jacob was trustworthy and loyal, whereas Brother was not. Therefore, she had to do a little extra with Brother, small things like leaving a box for him on the beach... Jacob thought she loved Brother more, but she was actually grooming Brother to be her replacement. She didn’t realize until the end that Jacob was truly the one.

b. When Mother told Jacob he would replace her as island protector she said "You don't really have a choice." I think that is the key moment that led to Jacob's methods...that there is always a choice/ free will.

c. Jacob was hurt that Mother had obviously wanted Brother to be the protector, initially. However, the candidate you get isn't always the one who looked best on paper, as Jacob discovers later with our Losties. Think about John Locke, whose faith, love for the island and jungle survival skills seemed like he would make the perfect person to become the next protector…. But it was Jack all along (or at least, after much pondering while looking out at the ocean, it became Jack).

8. The Island’s Light/ Power/ Energy Source

a. Brother creates/ designs the frozen, time-traveling wheel mechanism, but never finishes it. Who does? The Dharma Initiative?

9. Brother

a. A sympathetic character… he just wanted to see what else was out there…the opposite of the emotionless monster we've come to see him as in the current Island timeline. This is what centuries of resentment will do to you!

b. Adam and Eve skeletons… Brother and Mother. L

c. Jacob didn’t kill him (just like Mother said they couldn’t hurt each other)… Jacob beat him up, knocked him out, and sent him down the river into the cave of light. There (although this is up for debate) his soul turned into Smokey, his body was discarded. Smokey is his soul, that’s why it still looks like Brother, but we also see his corpse… this is why he previously said “Jacob stole my body, my humanity.” Even as John Locke he speaks from Brother’s point of view .

10. Taking Babies

a. Maybe when Jacob starts his group of Others he gives them orders to take the babies and “good ones” (like Cindy the flight attendant) because he wants them to be protected from the outside world’s greed/ corruption. He didn’t want anyone else to become jaded, like his brother.

11. Desmond

a. This episode may have shed some light on why Desmond is so important. The glowing light and the pockets of electromagnetic energy are one in the same. Desmond may be the only person who can enter the cave of light without becoming a Smoke Monster.

12. Interview with one of the show’s producers: An interesting question and answer…

Q: When Mother slaughters the people in the human village, the iconography looked very much like the Dharma bunkers after the purge. Was this your way of suggesting why it was Jacob might have allowed The Others to slaughter the Dharma folk - that this is the punishment for anyone who gets too close to unlocking the island's secrets?

A: Damon Lindelof (producer/ writer): “In terms of what Jacob allowed, what he didn't allow, what The Others did of their own volition, with Ben basically saying "This came down from Jacob" is all in the area that is subject to interpretation purposely. What our intention was is that there is a repeating vicious cycle that seems to happen on this island, where people come to the island, they try to figure out what makes the island work, and the closer they came leads them to their own inevitable demise.”

13. Was the Others’ Temple built over the cave of light? Supporting evidence:

a. The temple is hidden in the jungle and hard to find (like the cave) and the others and Dogen are EXTREMELY PROTECTIVE of it.

b. The temple has a hot tub that brings people back to life, or heals mortal wounds at the very least,

c. Smokie lived under the Temple (was released when Ben pulled a water drain plug).

d. Check out this video of the Losties arriving at the temple. Those super straight trees look very similar to the ones on the path to the light cave. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeumU...eature=related