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A quick Google search didn't come up with anything but I believe the last time there was a rematch for the National Title was UF-FSU in '96. Pretty similar situation. Florida was #1 and lost at #2 FSU by 3, went on to beat #11 Bama in the SEC championship and then manhandled FSU to win the title in a re-match.
Can't wait to see how this one plays out, my gut is that Bama will win. I think Saban's gonna have those boys riled up and hungry. Not to mention its tough in general to beat a team twice |
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Looks like a replay of last month.
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Punk Thug Named SEC Player of the Week, as well as Walter Camp Player of the Week.
In a first career start at a position he was filling in at for hero of the bama defeat, Eric Reid, Tyrann Mathieu responded by leading the Tigers with eight tackles, two forced fumbles and a fumble recovery. The two forced fumbles ran his career total to 11, which ranks as the seventh-highest total in NCAA history and ties Guss Scott of Florida for the SEC record. Imagine what he could have done hade he put the bong down. In addition to his defensive play against Arkansas, Mathieu returned a punt 92 yards for a touchdown in the second quarter that tied the game at 14-14. For the year, Mathieu leads the Tigers with 66 tackles to go along with 5.5 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, two interceptions, seven pass breakups, six forced fumbles and four fumble recoveries. Enjoy your week off elephants, the big boys have a game to play. |
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Yawn.
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NON Punk Thug named SEC Player of The Week for third time as well as Walter Camp Player of the Week.
For a third time this season, Trent Richardson has been named the Southeastern Conference's Offensive Player of the Week. Richardson ran 27 times for a career-high 203 yards Saturday in leading No. 2 Alabama to a 42-14 victory at Auburn. He also caught a 5-yard touchdown pass. Previously Richardson was the offensive player of the week after a 38-14 victory over Arkansas on Sept. 24 and after a 52-7 victory on Oct. 15 at Ole Miss. He had 128 yards rushing and 85 yards and a touchdown receiving against Arkansas. he ran for 183 yards and four touchdowns at Ole Miss. And after a career-high 203 rushing yards against rival Auburn last Saturday, Richardson was the Walter Camp National Offensive Player of the Week. **You know, just for the equal representation and stuff since this kind of thing seems to be a big deal to other fanbases. |
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WOW, UGA has come to play tonight!
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Hoping sooooooo bad that Georgia wins this game.... Think it would be such a joke to possibly have 2 teams in the BCS Championship game that couldn't win their own conference.....
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Georgia Up 10-0????:confused: Didn't See That Coming.
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If you cannot win your own conference, you should not be National Champion in CFB, because that is the playoff system we have. Nothing anyone says can change my thinking on that..... Funny thing is, Nick Saban felt the same way a few years ago.....:r |
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But again, I hope it plays out like that.... Nothing would amuse me more, than to see two teams that cannot win their own conference championship, play for the National Championship....
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The 2Best Teams Should Play For The Nat. Championship Even If They Are In The Same Conference. Who Would You Put At 1&2?
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Again, I don't agree. Teams in the same conference play to find a winner, if they cannot win, they should not get a shot to play for a national championship. Assuming Okie Lite & LSU both win, that is the game I would want....
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It's cart and horse time yet, LSU WILL win this football game, mark it down.
But WOW, this is what UGA was touted to be in the pre-season. I couldn't believe what happened over the first two games. I also can't believe LSU has yet to make a first down...WAIT, might we get one on a RTK penalty?? Haha, nope. This UGA defense is doing what bama couldn't do...impressive...VERY impressive. Let's see if a girl wins the Tuition Throw....oops, it's a LOCK. Remember last year that girl whipped that dude's a$$? NO FAIR, a girl was forced to throw at a DP10 can, everybody knows "it's not for ladies." |
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Zero first half first downs for LSU...UGA should get a prize just for that, first time it has happened to any SEC team this season.
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I am not so sure Greg. I DO think LSU has a much deeper defense, Gary Danielson touched
on it...He said they rotate between 11 and 20 players through the defense in a typical game. That should lead to the traditional LSU Wear-em-down, but man oh man, what an effort thus far! 2 thumbs up to the Dawgs. |
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As far as what would happen with Okie Lite and LSU, that is why they play the game.... If we could just assume the winners, we wouldn't even have to have a season. Bet you thought Bama was going to maul the Utes in the Sugar a few years ago, right?;) |
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Wow, Brad, sorry for doubting you. Unreal.
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you are right. Not sure what I heard him say anyway. But I thought the possibilty was hilarious. |
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I m glad Gary Danielson said it, and I wish Les Miles had taken a little bit of Tracy's time to say it,
This team could NOT be there without the stout play of Jarrett Lee from the first game through the return of Jordan Jefferson. I feel very embarassed that Les Miles did not put him in the game while it was still in doubt, to reward him for his valor and character. If he throws a pick, or does not perform, so what, you have the best team on the field, and arguably in the USA, give the man his due. Not to say you put him in because Jefferson was struggling, but to say, "hey this is how we got here, and I think you have earned a few series. That kid was clearly disappointed, if not pi$$ed, it was clear. :( |
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Congrats to LSU... I am looking forward to seeing the rematch and I could care less who wins. I think it will be a great game to watch as an SEC fan though.
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so as well. I obviously would not want to see it split, because of the factor of the PLACE that bama lost, but OT losses are not a good way to get a fair LOSS, and hardly a great way to take a fair WIN. I am not sure how else you could play overtime that would be timely or fair, but I feel like LSU and bama are very obviously the two best teams in the USA. I can't see any way, outside of repeated battles until one team can't field 22 players anymore, that you can call one the ultimate champion of 2011. But a 1-1 split, without a third game, or a "most first downs" or "best fans" or letting an actual elephant square off against a Tiger in a steel cage match, is not a good ending, in my opinion. Thank god we will beat bama twice. ;) |
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And don't get me wrong, all of you know, I do not think bama DESERVES to be in that game, they lost at home
to the number one team in the country at that time. But the other teams that had a shining moment, a chance at greatness, all proved to be fallible, not up to the task. Hell, I would have rathered see Houston Cougars in the champ game because they had beaten everyone they had faced, and then they lost to my alma mater. Go Eagles Go!! Fine job...FINE job! Me thinking LSU and alabama are the two best teams in the country leaves ample room however to feel that they should not be allowed into that game, but it is clear that they WILL BE, so I understand and accept it. It is not unfair at all given the data. I just wish some other teams would have shown some spine and played ball, lol. |
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Conference Champion No - Yes Wins vs Ranked Opponents 4 - 4 Wins vs Top 10 0 - 2 Both have a loss, both in OT, one at home, one on the road. One lost to a great team, the other to a mediocre team. I will not go into the circumstances prior to the OSU loss. Though I do believe it had baring. In the current BCS top 25 - OSU has beat Missouri(25), Texas(22), Baylor(17), Kansas State(11) and Oklahoma(10). In the current BCS top 25 - Alabama has beat Arkansas(8) and Penn State(21) Alabama had a shot, at home, to beat the opponent we are discussing and lost. The game was fair, they just didn't get the job done. Give someone else a shot. Conference ratings - http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagar...terstitialskip Again, no dog in this hunt, just putting out what I believe to be "fair." All this talk about the best 2 teams in the country is crap. That is assumption, games are not won and lost, by who people think are the best, they are won and lost on the field. Alabama had their shot at this LSU team(who I personally don't think can be beat by anyone we are talking about), so give the team that earned their shot a try. IMO, best game would be USC vs LSU.....;) |
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Congrats LSU.
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haha, USC, huh? That would be good, no doubt. The only facet of your analysis that I do not necessarily think
holds MUCH water is the wins versus top ten teams. IT IS A TELLING STAT, but in reality it shouldn't weigh too highly, simply because of the difficulty in scheduling. You can't expect all viable teams to be able to successfully schedule super-competition, or to be able to plan far enough in advance to get it done in practical terms. That said, you need to play good teams to have a shot at the respect you need to be in that one game that REALLY matters. That's where I think your top 25 stat shines. THAT is a reasonable stat to hold up as viable for more teams. You don't see a lot of GA Southerns and McNeese St.'s and Sisters of the Poor on OK St's resume. (I do not have their schedule available, maybe they do) I agree, I think it is not only more fair but more interesting to give another team a shot at LSU. If bama had not been AT HOME when they lost, I would likely be a little more convinced. I am on record as thinking OT losses and wins are a toss up, I think you get it done in regulation if you want to be taken seriously, but AT HOME and under SUCH conditions of being the favorite.,,not good. |
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One of the reasons I want a playoff system is to prove yet again, as if the past 5 years haven't, that the SEC dominates :tu |
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teams we are talking about seem capable of beating LSU, anyway. I think most people agree that SEC football is the peak of power and balance in football today. They don't like it much, but it has indeed been made clear of late. |
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Let me tell you ANOTHER reason why I think OK state is going to get into the slot in New Orleans.
I think the voters have been grudgingly swallowing a rematch given all the attrition taking place all over the field of battle before them. They have been holding their breath hoping a team would rise to the challenge and give them a viable and believable resume with which to avoid the REAL controversy nationwide that would ensue were they to vote in a rematch A., and B. a inter-conference rematch, and C. a SEC INTER-CONFERENCE REMATCH. I am not saying they want to avoid controversy at all costs, but I would bet that they hear the drums beating for the abolition of the system they have set up. It never ends, every year you have furious fans. Not what you are looking for in a system that's designed to create a concensus No.1. I say they JUMP at the chance to bump bama out of the title game. ------edit---------- Ehhh, JUMP at the chance to vote bama out is a real stretch. COVER SHOULD they vote bama out is more like it. |
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I'd say you have 80% bama - 20 % Oklahoma State. It should come down to how the voters want to be seen.
Do they want to be seen as realistic consumers of football or as accountants and arbiters of fairness across the national spectrum. Most fans of brutal, power football that want to see the pure game played at the highest level see it as a no-brainer...bama is in. There are other fans that see the SEC as a bunch of cheating football programs with loudmouth, arrogant fans. Who do the voters play to? |
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Huh? I just provided MY estimate in addition to Greg's. I do not mean to infer that his is incorrect, not at all.
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I gave my reasoning and my analysis. Never once did I even intimate that I was right and someone else was wrong. In fact, i don't even have a problem with being WRONG here. I do not want bama in that game, but I am in a minority, especially here. Me wanting them out and giving reasons why I think they should be out will in fact likely LEAD to me being wrong in this case. |
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EJ, who do you think is better than Alabama and LSU? You talk about not having a dog in the hunt,
but you clearly stated in your analysis that all this talk about them being the two best teams in the USA is crap. With no SEC bias from me outside the fact that I pull for LSU, I think it is fairly clear that the two best teams in the USA are bama and LSU. You are right in saying "that's why they play the games" because there has been nothing but top dogs falling all season long. But I am not sure what you are thinking. You call my statements arrogant, but to me it seems that your reasoning is that I think I know it all, or that I think that LSU and bama are the best there are. Is it going to take LSU ripping OK state apart to prove to you that they are dominant? Because as you know, bama is not going to be allowed to play OK state or USC or Stanford for the Nat. Champ. It's LSU and somebody. But if you put LSU and bama head to head for it all, you are going to see two great teams once again basically tie. What I guess you want, and I find reasonable, is both "top teams" playing a non-SEC powerhouse in two bowls and removing their organs. Basically two national championship games. I AM a SEC fan, no doubt, but that's not why I think the way I do. I have looked EVERYWHERE for a team that I thought could go for 60 minutes with either one of the two SEC dominators and come out on top, and I do not think such a team exists. Again, I would hate to see LSU-bama in the end. It's not fair to LSU or the rest of the NCAA. But GET a dog in the hunt, WHO do you think can beat either one? And USC is not eligible, not from what I think but for what they got caught doing, so let's not go there...no hypotheticals. |
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