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But let me get this out of the way first:

Jeff? JEFF?? Sorry, Jerry - I was so busy trying to get all that junk in yesterday that I had a momentary brainf@rt. Again, I'm sorry, my brother . . . but if your life's been anything like mine, I'm sure you've been called worse. :ss

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OK, enough post-whoring on my own thread, so let's get down to it now. Last night was truly light, full moon and all:

Texas 87 - Oklahoma 76 = As has been the case in most of the Longhorn wins of late, it's a decent enough showing, but nothing to write home about. An 11-point margin over a sub-.500 team, in Austin no less, doesn't impress me much.

West Virginia 81 - Georgetown 68 - And the freefall of the Hoyas continues. I realize they've had some illness problems, but $#!+ happens all over, and there's no point in crying about it. They have now lost 4 of their last 5, and despite their Top 20 ranking their 19-9 overall and 9-8 conference record is threatening to put them on somebody's bubble-list. As for the Mountaineers, they keep rolling along, and have some potential to upset a few teams come Madness-time . . . like Vic's Orange.

And speaking of Madness-time, do you realize that it actually starts tonight? This evening we'll see action kick of in conference tournaments . . . the Big South, Ohio Valley, and Horizon to be perzack. As this group will see few, if any, at-large bids, these games will be huge. Aside from this, we also have:

Minnesota vs. Michigan = The Logans are toast. The Gophers may not be, but they'd better get a few more Ws to avoid that notorious bubble.

Syracuse vs. St. John's = I wouldn't expect The Orange to blow their #1 . . . tonight.

Villanova vs. Cincinnati = 'Nova needs to do a little work to get their 2-seed back, and the Bearcats are on the backside of that bubble. This one could be fun.

UTEP vs. Marshall = Will the CUSA get 4 bids this year? The Miners are in, regardless. But the Herd better not depend upon that 4th invite, and thus need to help their cause tonight.

Vanderbilt vs. Florida = I don't think either of these guys need to worry about that invite, but Vandy sure could use a win to regain hopes for the 3-line. Plus, the Gators would like to remove all doubt from their equation, so expect a battle here.

Georgia Tech vs. Clemson = The Tigers have a better record, but the Wreck has more quality wins. Are these two bubble teams? One bubble team? None? Dang if I know what the Committee's thinking. As these guys don't either, both need the victory.

Missouri vs. Iowa State = These Tigers should be safely in, especially if the Big 12 gets as much respect as they brag that they deserve. As for the Cyclones, they will be blowin' inna wind come mid-March.

UNC vs. Miami = Since I don't believe either of these teams can run the table in the gran'daddy of the conference tourneys, this is a battle to get out of the basement of the ACC . . . and for the defending National Champions, to remain above .500.

Baylor vs. Texas Tech = The Bears are in, and would love to earn a 4-spot. The boys from Lubbock have gone from contenders to chum.

Ohio State vs. Illinois = A lot would have to happen for the Buckeyes to get a 1-seed, but not much for them to lose a 2-slot. A lot would have to happen for the Illini to lose an at-large. The game SHOULD mean more to OSU, but will it?

Louisville vs. Marquette = These two teams could not be much closer, in every regard, and it would take a fairly significant collapse for either to miss an at-large this late in the year. But both could sleep easier tonight with that extra W. This is another with great potential for fun.

Well, there you go. I'll leave the conference tourneys until there's something to actually report, so until tomorrow - enjoy.

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was at the Dome tonight for SU vs. St. Johns. SU had no trouble at all with St. Johns and I thought SU didn't play anywhere near their capability and still ended up winning by 19. Their game against Louisville should be a good one.

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With no offense intended to the loyal Johnnies fans - if there are any left after all these post-Carnesecca years - having no trouble with the Redmen ain't saying much. :r

I've a lot of work to do, so may not get to my update today - which is a shame, for there's a lot of good $#!+ tonight, like the Battle of Kansas and the Dook/Terps showdown. Oh well - it is what it is. So if I don't see you again before tomorrow - enjoy.

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Getting ready to head out to the University of Maryland to watch the Terps take on Duke. It's going to be a mad house, kids have been lining up since noon to get in. Should be a great game!! GO TERPS!

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Congrats to Sherron Collins--Great Senior Night..
From SI:
This was Collins's 125th win in a Kansas uniform, which is more than any player has amassed during this program's long and storied history. Those wins include four Big 12 regular-season titles, two conference tournament championships, two Final Fours and one NCAA title. And he is not through yet.

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I'll second your congrats, and agree he's not through yet. He has a decent shot at a second ring.

And on a more personal note, I hope Collins has not had to deal with some of the nonsense I heard last year regarding Tyler Hansbrough, for foregoing the NBA Draft to finish his college career. What am I talking about? Well, many of you know that bassmouthed load of crap who works for The FAN here in New York, Mike Francesa. He was amongst many "experts" who predicted Tyler would have no pro career to speak of, despite his college rep. OK, that's an opinion, and we will see. But he also dissed both Tyler and the Tar Heels for his staying for four years, saying at one point that the UNC/Duke rivalry had lost all its juice because Hansbrough had been there "what, seven years now? He's been there so long his SON is playing for Carolina!"

Over the years, I have heard people praise a player for staying in school. I have heard them say an underclassman is ready to come out, or that one is not yet ready and should stay in school. But I have never - NEVER! - heard any commentator condemn a player for staying until graduation. That's just stupid. Furthermore, how could Mike say, in one breath, that Tyler would not be a pro, then in the second say he should not still be in school? Hell, what did he expect - did he want Tyler to drop out, move back to Missouri, and open a used-car lot?

Sorry about that, but it's been eating at me for a year now. Besides, I can jack my own thread if I want to, JaKaacH. :ss

Double-dip update to follow.

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I'm behind by two possessions, so let's put the press on a play a little catch-up. On Tuesday 3/2:

Villanova 77 - Cincinnati 73 = This may have improved 'Nova's seeding a bit, coming off their spanking by the Orange. As for the Bearcats, it likely ended their hopes for an at-large.

Vanderbilt 64 - Florida 60 = It's the same for Vandy, though I'd still give the Gators a bid.

Marquette 69 - Louisville 48 = And this should get Marquette in, plus keep L'ville out.

UTEP 80 - Marshall 76 = Does this tough loss keep the Herd out? Well, how many bids will the CUSA get? Three, for sure, but Marshall & Tulsa are fighting for that possible 4th. Can the CUSA get 5? Not my call.

Michigan 83 - Minnesota 55 = This whuppin' won't get the Logans nowhere, but it may have put the Gophers in the hole.

Ohio State 73 - Illinois 57 = The Buckeyes are hoping to steal a #1-seed late in the game. Can they? See below.

Syracuse 85 - St. John's 66 = And the Orange hold onto theirs . . . for now.

UNC 69 - Miami 62 = OK, this game meant nothing, as neither team's going anywhere. And the fact that it gave the Heels a full step out of the basement means nothing either. And that it may keep them above, or at least AT, .500 for the season means nothing much either. And the fact that it gave the Tar Heels their 2,000th overall win, becoming the 2nd in the nation (and the third this season!) to reach that landmark . . . well, that means nothing much either, since it's just a number. But hey, it's my team, my thread, so there. :fu

There was some more interesting action Wednesday 3/3:

Kansas 82 - Kansas State 65 = Just one good ol' fashion butt-kickin' in Phog Allen. And remember I told you to "see below"? Well, here's one of the openings OSU was hoping to get. Oh, and it also put the Jayhawks at 1,998 wins overall, so I'm fairly confident in what I said above.

Maryland 79 - Duke 72 = And here's the other one. Hey, I've been telling you for weeks now that the Terps are playing some dang good ball, but does anybody ever listen to me? And Bryan, next time you decide to declare the season over . . . remember this game. :D

Kentucky 80 - Georgia 68 = Again, as often here, the game itself meant little, but it did give UK the SEC East. Funny thing though: Back before their loss Saturday to the Vols, Calipari told his guys that the SEC title meant nothing. Before THIS game, he reminded them how important it was, as it would win them the SEC East title. For all you guys out there with the same opinion of Cal I hold . . . well, you gotta love that.

Florida State 51 - Wake Forest 47 = Ugly as this game was, it may have given the Semi-Holes a slot . . . and taken one away from the slumping Deacs.

Notre Dame 58 - U. Conn 50 = No way this gets the Irish in the Dance. However, Carolina may not be the ONLY #1-seed from last season who's sitting at home this year. ;)

Tonight there's a lot of continuing conference tourney action going on, but as these are the "also-ran" conferences who are lousy dancers anyway, I'll wait until something of import happens there . . . though I will advise Bryan that his Campbell Camels have already been booted from their tourney by East Tennessee State this afternoon, since they lost that 72-64 contest. And other than that, the only game involving the big boys is Purdue/Providence. This game won't keep the Boilermakers out, nor put the Friars in, so it's only significance is giving Purdue another chance to see what they can do with Hummel in streetclothes. So I'll just leave you with this, and ask you to enjoy.

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Hoping UK doesn't blow it in the SEC tourney and lose a #1 seed, though I ought to just be happy we will be going to the Dance this season, after the Billy Clyde era. Also a duke hater, so I hope they pull a #3 or 4 :D.

Also crossing my fingers for Murray State to win the OVC and get the OVC invite. They could upset someone in round 1 with this team.

Was just watching an ESPN story on Hank Gathers and LMU. Can't believe it's already been 20 years. A real shame. One of the best tournament runs ever by his teammates (though it was kind of disgusting the way CBS kept playing Gathers up during that tourney).

I love March Madness!

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I judge my effectiveness by the slings and arrows.

:tu

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Co champs is better than no champs. The last game for each is against bottom dwellers. Maybe UVA will play their hearts out. And UNC will do what they've been doing best this year.

Campbell's not really that good. But the school is only 13 miles for home. And the last time they made it to the big dance Duke won a national title. Just some hopeful wishing.

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One at a time, boys, one at a time! For Joe, I'm not sure either UK or KU will blow their 1-seed this late, since they've been pretty much there all season, and because nobody else seems to want to step up and take it from them. As for Murray State, they'd better win their tourney, as I'm not sure the OVC will get - or deserve - an at-large bid. As for their upsetting someone in The Dance . . . well, it could happen, but I looked at their schedule and, their 28 wins notwithstanding, they really haven't beaten anybody all year so why should they start now? And as for Gathers and Loyola-Marymount's Cinderella/tragedy being 20 years ago already, all I'll say is I can't believe it's closing in on half-a-century since I watched Charlie Scott play for the Heels!

Now Jerry, Jeff, whatever the freak your name is, I'd stack my outrageous fortune against yours anyday my friend. :su

Finally, Bryan, lemme point out that you're doing it again. Two weeks ago you declared Dook the ACC champs. Now you're crowning them co-champs, when they still could end up below the Terps. The Greeks called it "hubris", but in this age and place we refer to it as "counting your chickens before they hatch." Once you've been around as long as I have, and seen as much weird $#!+ happen, you'll learn not to let you mouth chirp checks your @$$ can't cash. As for the Camels being your harbinger of a title? Well, considering how often Dook's crapped out in the 1st or 2nd round of late, I can't blame you for looking for all the help you can get. :r

Back soon with the update.

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Scores of note - to me, in any case, last night:

Pittsburgh 73 - Providence 71 = Regular readers of this space (if there are any) may recall my mention in the past of "bad wins." Here we go again. A performance like this won't get the Panthers very far, in either the Big East or NCAA Tourneys.

Michigan State 67 - Penn State 65 = And here's some more of the same, but worse. OK, so maybe the Nuttin'ly Lions have been playing a bit better the last few weeks, but still, jeez.

Richmond 60 - Dayton 56 = I don't care if the Spiders are a game back of Temple and Xavier in the A-10. I don't care if you think the A-10 should not get 3 bids. If Richmond does not receive one, considering what they've done and who they have beaten, there is no freakin' justice.

Arizona State 59 - USC 54 = And I really don't much care if the Pac-10 is down this year. If the Sun Devils don't get in too, as well as California . . . even if a third team wins the bid in their tourney . . . when a dozen teams from never-have-and-never-will conferences get an automatic, there's even less justice. Shoot, 21 wins in a bad Pac-10 is worth as much as 50 wins in some Mickey Mouse collection of crap schools with crap teams in crap conferences who's only reason for existence is getting this one-and-done check from the NCAA every year. Just :2 , but I'm right.

There is a lot of action this evening, mostly in conference tourney action (Colonial, Ohio Valley, West Coast, Southern, Missouri Valley), and some of these games are amongst groups of programs who do NOT fall under the umbrella of my rant above. But there is one game bigger than any of these others this evening, and that is:

Cornell vs. Brown = Here is Big Red's first shot to grab that first slot on The Dancecard. A win against Brown, or losses by Haa'vad and Princeton, will give them the Ivy, and the automatic.


The games tomorrow with an early tip-off time include:

Georgetown vs. Cincinnati = The Hoyas need to right their ship if they want to make more than a squeek in the NCAAs. The Bearcats need to right theirs if they want a check or two from the NIT folks. As both are struggling AND needy, this one could be pretty close.

Villanova vs. West Virginia = The winner here could win themselves a 2-seed. The loser could get themselves a 4-seed. And that works either way, my brothers. Should be a war, and if both show up it will be one.

Florida State vs. Miami = The Seminoles are tied with two other ACC teams for 3rd with a 9-6 conference mark. Since there is always a chance that some team below them will take the ACC Tourney, and get the automatic, these 3 need all the cushion they can get to earn an at-large. They should be able to handle the 'Canes, but you never know until the horn sounds.

Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma = A&M is safely in, and Oklahoma's safely out. But the Aggies would LOVE to get off that 5 or 6-line and move up to a 4-seed. They'll need to do well in the Big 12 tourney, and will need some help too, in order to accomplish that, but they can start here . . . and they'd better, too.

Talk at you tomorrow. Until then . . . enjoy.

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You may win, but it'd be a hell of a conversation, friend :tu

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:ss

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Poet,

I agree; I can't remember any OVC team getting an at-large when they didn't win their tourney, though MSU got close once. The conference has had some future NBA players before, but really no firepower for even one Big Dance win. It's been 22 years since MSU beat NC State in round 1, and took KU to the wire before losing-Danny Manning's team won it all that year. I think we're due for another :banger:D:ss:ss. But, we need our coach to learn to get up out of his chair and occasionally..coach. The guys are turnover-prone (15+ tonight), and really get flustered against the 2-3 zone (coach can't or won't teach them how to attack it).

Looking forward to the SEC next week.

Will it be the Big East with the biggest crowd in the Dance this year?

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Joe, it's good to see some honest appraisal of a team on here, and not just blind homecrowd fandom. Props to you, brother. And the SEC tourney should be fun, since there are maybe 4 or 5 teams that can spoil Kentucky's party - not saying they WILL, but they can. As for the Big Mouth, they may again get the most teams to the Dance, and likely deserve to too. I have no problem with that, as long as they keep their freakin' chirping and hooting to a minimum . . . but knowing them, that ain't gonna happen. :D

Weekend update to follow ASAP.

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Excellent, lets match them up against the Orange, :r

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First time I ran in the Boston Marathon I wound up in the newspapers based on my finishing time. Running coach I knew asked why I was so quiet about it and when she heard my answer said
If you can do it it ain't bragging.seems appropriate here. :r:r

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Thanks, Poet! OVC definitely never a major conference, but I love my Racers. Sure wish Cronin had not left. One thing about MSU; seems we've had a few coaches use the school as a stepping stone to better things in the last 25 years. 'Course, we've had some stinkers too :ss. I'm thinking the current coach may trend that way, but we'll see. More than once, I've been tempted to walk over during a game and ask if he needs a blanket and pillow :mad:.

I'm with you on the chirp/hoot. Also hope the projectiles from the crowd are kept down, too. I'll be real interested to watch Kansas in this Dance. Also, never been an Okie State fan, especially while the Suttons have been there, but I like what Travis Ford seems to be doing with them (another coach who used the OVS as a stepping stone; good on ya).

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And that's pretty much my point also, my brother. Last year the Big Mouth got 3 of the 4 #1 seeds in the tourney, and for a few weeks all we all heard was their bragging and chirping. But how many of them played in the Championship game? :r

Before I start on the balance of today's action, let's get 2 scores from last night outta the way first:

Cornell 95 - Brown 76 = Now you know at least one of the teams who'll be playing 2 weeks from now. The Big Red are the first to get their dance ticket punched . . . just like we all knew by now.

St. John's 90 - DePaul 82 (3OT) = OK, unless some miracle happens in MSG next weekend, neither of these teams will be dancing. But that doesn't mean that they still don't want to win. Three OTs from two also-rans? That's some good stuff there.


What with all the conference tournaments going on, plus with all the bubble teams trying to improve their odds, plus all the frontrunners trying to improve their seedings, I could be here all day posting all the games of import going on today. Instead, I'll limit myself to those I find most notable. However, please feel free to toss your own :2 in about your own teams too.

Tulsa vs. Memphis = Both these teams are pencilled into my bracket, but the outcome will decidedly help determine where. Both want it.

Maryland vs. Virginia = Here's 1/2 of the ACC regular season. I don't see the Terps having a problem taking this one, but if the Cavs can find a little of the magic they had back in the first part of their season . . . who knows? That's why they play them.

Oklahoma State vs. Nebraska = It's all shucks for the Huskers this year, and I don't think the Cowpokes need another W for an at-large. They may be only 8-7 in conference play, but they do have a handful of high-quality wins, including one over:

Kansas vs. Missouri = Can the Jayhawks bounce back further from that upset and follow their spanking of K-State with another win? Or will Missouri give them game? I'd expect the latter, with KU taking it late.

Richmond vs. Charlotte = The Spiders have earned a slot . . . now let's see if they get one. The 49ers have not quite done that yet . . . now let's see if they can. Should be a good one.

Marquette vs. Notre Dame = And it's pretty much the same story here, though the Irish may be in a slightly better position than is Charlotte.

Syracuse vs. Louisville = I'd expect the Orange to hold onto their #1 for another week. On the other hand, Louisville has shown up to play a time or three this season, so I'd not take it for granted.

Vanderbilt vs. South Carolina = Vandy's safely in, and are just looking to improve their seeding. But they've been a quirky team, and if the 'Cocks could beat Kentucky they are capable of beating most anybody. Might be closer than the Comms would prefer.

VCU vs. George Mason = In a just world, both these teams will receive an at-large, as they both have some good history AND both are much better than a dozen conference champs who will get automatics. But both could use this one, then will have to wait until next Sunday to see how just this world actually is.

Arizona State vs. UCLA = And speaking of justice, the Sun Devils should get an at-large also. A win over the TeddyBears may not help much, but it certainly won't hurt.

Baylor vs. Texas = Here are two pretty good teams that have both fallen upon some rough times. Both need to get a bit of balance returned before they start dancing, or either . . . or both . . . could fall on their faces.

Mississippi vs. Arkansas = And here's two who want to put that dreaded bubble on their back bumpers. Another must-win for both squads.

Virginia Tech vs. Georgia Tech = The Hokies should be OK, but the Wreck can use a boost, despite some god wins. Again, both are much better than a ton of one-and-dones, but that's not the way it works . . . sadly.

Tennessee vs. Mississippi State = The Vols are another team looking to earn a higher seed. MS is also a probable at-large, yet they have some "bigger" problems to distract them, what with one of their players, Sidney, being in hot water with the NCAA . . . and out 11K, I understand. We'll have to wait and see if his team is out anything else.

Duke vs. UNC = And here is the other half of the ACC regular season. It' Senior Day in Cameron, and this group of seniors will have one last chance to actually beat the Tar Heels in Durham. That's what I expect will happen . . . yet you never know when it comes to THE GAME. Bryan's already got this one chalked up, as he expects the Heels to "do what they have done all year", or some such as that. However, what the Heels have done all year is underachieve. They have the talent to take this game, and they may even find the focus needed to do so. I'd not bet on it, but I've seen it happen before . . . for both teams involved.


Now come Sunday we'll get a few conference finals in, so will get a few more teams in too. Aside from that (and many of the match-ups are TBD), we will see:

Kentucky vs. Florida = The Wildcats still have a shot of losing their #1 seed, if they drop this game to the Gators, then crap out early in the SEC tourney. Like the Dook/UNC game above, it can happen. The Gators can, on any given Sunday, beat most anybody. Again, don't bet the farm, but don't be shocked if it does occur.

Wisconsin vs. Illinois = Here are two teams neither I nor (I expect) the NCAA committee can quite figure out. I'd think they both are safely in, but pecisely where, who knows? That makes this another "must" for both.

Boston College vs. N.C. State = OK, there's absolutely nothing at all "must" about this one, but I'm certain Jerry wants to get his 'Pack out of the cellar, so I'm throwing those wild dogs of his a bone. :ss

Michigan State vs. Michigan = Aside from the rivalry involved, this means a lot to the Spartans when it comes to their seat at the table. As for the Wolverines . . . well, a few more Ws may get them a check from the NIT.

Clemson vs. Wake Forest = In my mind, neither of these teams should be on that stinkin' bubble. But I'll admit my mind may be a bit colored here. So once again, neither can depend upon the good graces of the Selection Committee, and both of them need the win. Plan on a war here.


I'll go check scores for games in progress, and be back soon. Until then - enjoy.

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No, Joe, thank you for joining in on the fun here.

Georgetown all over Cincy, and Texas A&M have control of Sooners. All others too tight or too early to call.

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Finals: Georgetown 74 - Cincinnati 47. Texas A&M 69 - Oklahoma 54 = Not much of a surprise, though it's good to see the Hoyas refind some mojo, considering all their illness problems.

At the half, Memphis over Tulsa 30-19. And so far Maryland scoring at will on UVA.

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Florida State 61 - Miami 60 = The SemiHoles get the win, but it should not have been this hard.

'Nova/WVA also a 1-point game with 3+ left, but that was to be expected.

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'Nova/WVA going into OT. I told you both wanted this one! Speaking of OT:

Indiana 88 - Northwestern 80 (OT) = 'Way back when, the Brains of the Big Ten got some respect. Were these the Hoosiers of Bobby Knight, they wouldn't have lost any with this game. But it ain't, and they do . . . if they still had some respect to lose, that is.

Terps 38-27 over Cavs at the break.

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Oak State all over Nebraska. What a shock.

So far, Missouri & Charlotte hold early leads over Kansas & Richmond, respt.

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ODU spanks Towson in Colonial tourney play, 86-66. It likely wasn't even that close.

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Memphis has Tulsa by 20 midway through 2nd. It ain't over yet, but since Tulsa's only scored 28 so far it probably is anyway.

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With 34 ticks left in OT, 'Nova/WVA are tied 66-all. Wow.

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West Virginia 68 - Villanova 66 (OT) = Again, wow. Mountaineers start dreaming of a 2-seed.

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Memphis 75 - Tulsa 53 = Good showing for the Tigers, and pitiful effort by Tulsa.

A number of close contests going on, but Kansas/Missouri ain't one of them. Jayhawks have taken total control.

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Maryland 74 - Virginia 68 = Terps do their part, but it was harder than they planned.

Missouri gets to within 6 of Kansas, and Louisville up 7 over Syracuse. There's time left for anything to happen.

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Kansas 77 - Missouri 56 = Just a warm-up for the tourneys.

South Carolina 77 - Vanderbilt 73 = And the 'Cocks get ahold of another one.

Louisville 78 - Syracuse 68 = Who's bragging now, Vic? :D That #1 ain't so easy to hold onto, is it.

Richmond/Charlotte and Marquette/Notre Dame both into OT. Like I said, big games for all.

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Notre Dame 63 - Marquette 60 (OT)

Richmond 89 - Charlotte 84 (OT)

Arizona 86 - USC 84 (2OT)

Lordy! All this extra session has me bushed. I'm calling it quits until Monday. As always - enjoy.

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Wow! The Cards give a great send-off to their old playground today!!!

Some pretty good games today. Watching East Ill and Mercer right now in a barn-burner finish, though it looks like EI will hang on. Just waiting for MSU vs MSU for the OVC crown. Go Racers!!!!!!:banger.

Great coverage, Poet, I enjoy this thread!

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Didn't know a big Orange basketball could lay an egg. Learn something new everyday.:r:r

On to the tournatment:banger:banger

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Yeah!!!! Murray State is dancing!

Refs called this game wayyy close, on both sides. I saw lots of no-calls called for fouls against both teams, where they should have let them play. Glad to see Kennedy up off the bench actually coaching for a change, and felt real good about the way they started finding ways to attack the zone in the 2nd half. Still too turnover prone, and weaker than they should be on freebies. I hope we do better than a 13th seed, but don't think they'll be that lucky.

Dook is thumping UNC.

Can't wait for the SEC and Big East tourneys next week.

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Well UNC did what they've done best this year. I couldn't believe it was that bad. I watched and loved every second of it. :D

Maybe UNC didn't get the memo they had a game last night.

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Being a big UK fan, I don't give much notice to either dook or UNC, but usually always watch when they play each other. Even when either team is really down for the season and the other playing well at the same time, this is always great college b'ball. Not so much, last night. I knew UNC lost about everything after last season, but they really suck. I felt great at the beginning of this season, when the Cats beat them, but now...not much of a resume builder. It's been just a couple of years that Kansas won it all, and came back the next year with nearly all fresh talent, and they didn't suck this bad. These guys can NOT handle the ball! I'm pretty sure Murray State would beat this team 7 times out of 10.

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Yeah, the Heels pretty much stunk up the place, no matter what place it was this season. So it goes. Congratulations to Duke for keeping Maryland from taking more than half of the ACC season crown out of the state of North Carolina - for even though Dook may not be a North Carolina school (with only 15% of its student body in-state, they obviously don't give a crap about educating the native population) - it most decidedly is IN the state of North Carolina, whether they like it or not. And congratulations to the Blue Devil seniors for finally beating the Tar Heels in Cameron, in their 4th and final chance.

Now let's see if they can keep their high seeding throughout the ACC Tourney, and if they can refrain from getting knocked out of the NCAAs early - like they've allowed to happen for, what, every year for about a decade now? :r

And congratulations to Murray State for getting to The Dance. Good luck to them. However, were I their AD, I woudn't book a second night at the motel. :D

Regular update to follow.

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The prelims of March Madness continue, and we now have a few more RSVPs back. Aside from the aforementioned Cornell (Ivy) and Murray State (Ohio Valley), there are these conference winners also:

East Tennessee State - Atlantic Sun
Winthrop - Big South
Northern Iowa - Missouri Valley

And of these 5 teams so far, I can see NIU winning a game in The Dance, with all the others having a meet-and-greet, then hit the street.

As for the balance of the action over the weekend, take note of these:

Arizona State 56 - UCLA 46 = This give the Sun Devils 22 wins for the season. If they don't receive an at-large . . . well, then I don't wanna hear any mid-majors baitching if they don't get a 3rd or 4th bid, or the also-rans if they don't get a 2nd.

Baylor 92 - Texas 77 = What in the holy hell has happened to the 'Horns? Am I the only person in the country who thinks Rick Barnes is one pretty crappy excuse for a coach?

Mississippi 68 - Arkansas 66 = This may have insured the Rebels get in, and almost certainly insured that the 'Hogs are out.

Butler 68 - Wisc. Milwaukee 59 = Butler's the class of the Horizon, and has been for a while. Unless there is some upsets in their tourney, the Bulldogs and maybe Wright State will be their dancers . . . if they get that 2nd bid. It's a decent mid-major, but I'd not give them 3.

VCU 75 - George Mason 60 = But I might give the Colonial 3 . . . which might leave both of these out. That would be a shame, but you can only cut the cake into so many pieces.

Virginia Tech 88 - Georgia Tech 82 = The Hokies were likely in before this win, and the Jackets were likely out. This should guarantee that, both ways.

Iowa State 85 - Kansas State 82 (OT) = OK, there were a few upsets in the last week or so, but perhaps none bigger than this one. Before their loss to the Jayhawks, K-State was dreaming of snatching a #1-seed from somebody. Now that've lost again, and to a crap Cyclones team to boot, they should feel lucky to get a #3.

Tennessee 75 - Mississippi State 59 = OK, I'd expect the Vols to take this one, but here's the thing: How many bids do you think the Committee's gonna give the SEC? Will all 6 above .500 in conference play get in? The Bulldogs better hope so.

Purdue 64 - Penn State 60 = Without Hummel, the Boilermakers looked like dogs against the Spartans the previous weekend. Beating PSU's PU squad by 4 points is fairly canine too. They will dance, but if they keep up this type of play they may not even make the Sweet Sixteen.

South Florida 75 - U. Conn 68 = This will not get the Bulls in, but it did bull the Huskies out, you can bank on it. They can't win the Big East tourney, any more than the Tar Heels can win the ACC.


On Sunday:

Kentucky 74 - Florida 66 = A decent-enough win over a pretty good (at times) Gator team. But again, WTF is going on in Lexington? I watched a bit of the 1st half, and UK was all over the Gators like stink on skunks so, expecting a blowout, I moved on to something else. But once again the Wildcats let their opponent right back into the game . . . just like they've done 2 dozen times this season. They may have the best talent of all going into the NCAAs, but talent alone rarely wins it all, and this trend may not stand them in good stead that 2nd weekend . . . and certainly not that 3rd, if they make it that far.

Wisconsin 72 - Illinois 57 = Two weeks ago I'd have said the Illini were a shoo-in for an at-large bid. Now, with 3 Ls inna row, I'm more inclined to say they are in danger of becoming a shoo-out. As for the Badgers, they are in.

Michigan State 64 - Michigan 48 = This was the 2nd week in a row I've watched the Spartans. They reeked against Purdue . . . who reeked even more, and lost . . . and they were not all that impressive against a putrid Logan team either. And this is the Big Ten co-tri-champion, and a Top Ten (well, 11th, to be perzact) team? Shoot, at this point only the Buckeyes are playing like champs.

ODU 73 - VCU 69 (OT) = The Monarchs are in, and were regardless. The Rams needed this one, not badly but rather desperately, so this is one killer of a tough loss.

Wake Forest 70 - Clemson 65 = This puts both these squads at 9-7 in the ACC, and tied for 5th place. How many bids will the Committee grant? Four, certainly, and almost certainly a 5th . . . but a 6th? Hmmmmmm. Makes it important for BOTH these teams to do something positive in the ACC tourney.

N. C. State 66 - Boston College 54 = And here's two teams with twenty left feet on the court at any given time, so even if they WERE invited to dance . . . which won't happen . . . they wouldn't be able to keep time, much less keep up. But it does get Jerry's Wolfpack out of the conference basement. Besides, when was the last time they finished a regular season tied in conference play with the Tar Heels? That's gotta be worth something! :D


Tonight there are some great games in conference tourament action, between some damn good teams:

Siena vs. Fairfield = The Metro Atlantic may get a 2nd bid, but it's dangerous to bank on that, especially considering the parity in the "power" players.

William&Mary vs. ODU = Pretty much the same story here, though the Colonial does normally get a slight nod over the MAC this time of year.

Appalachian State vs. Wofford = Same story here, though the Southern is often denied that 2nd shot.

Gonzaga vs. St. Mary's = I'd expect both these West Coast teams to get in, particularly as the 'Zags have become perennials now. But it's still one heck of a game.

As always,, brothers, enjoy.

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:D:D I'm hoping they stay at a Holiday Inn Express...maybe that'll work ;).

Watching the Sun Belt tourney right now; Western is down to Troy, but coming on.

I'm with you on UK, Poet. Calipari has not exercised them of the bad habit of coasting. That ain't gonna cut it in the Dance, some little school is going to knock their block off if they don't find a way to stay interested in a game.

I was also very surprised with Kansas State's performance. I was hoping they'd snatch the 4th #1 seed from dook, but it doesn't look likely now.

Fun week ahead!

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Always a fun week, Joe, what with all the conference tournaments leading up to the start of that best weekend in sports - four days of solid hoops from noon to midnight. As for all you guys who are loving those conference wars - be they little, mid-major, or the Big Boys - and speaking as a loyal ACC fan who spent the first half of my life listening to all of you tell me that my guys were freakin' nutz to base their season on a tournament for all the marbles - well, you are welcome very much. :ss

Update to follow.

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Well, there's 4 more going to The Dance for sure now. Old Dominion took care of Wm.&Mary for the Colonial while Wofford topped App. State for the Southern, both in fairly close games. It took Siena an extra 5 minutes to rid themselves of Fairfield for the Metro Atlantic, but they got the job done. They and ODU have a chance to win one game come next weekend, but I'd not expect Wofford to get 'er done. The 4th team to get in, St. Mary's, may also win a game, for last night they laid a 19-point whuppin' on perennial fan fave darkhorse - and total braggards - Gonzaga.

Tonight there's more conference tourney action, most notably in the Big East. In fact, that's already started. South Florida took out DePaul 58-49, and with 49 ticks left St. John's is beating the tar out of U. Conn. In lieu of updating more, I'll be back in a flash with the final, and we'll go from there.

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Final: St. John's 73 - U. Conn 51 = As I said on here earlier, UNC won't be the only #1-seed from last year to sit out this dance. As for the Johnnies, this won't get them into the NCAAs, and it may not even save Norm Roberts' job, but at least it keeps their hopes alive for one more day. Survive and advance, as V put it.

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There looks to be three more automatics up for grabs this evening:

Butler vs. Wright State = Here's the Horizon crown for you. Butler is the people's pick, and have to be favored in this game. But as some experts have pointed out, their outstanding winning record may be a bit deceiving. True, they beat an overrated Northwestern team, and Ohio State (when Turner was out injured, I believe), and the yo-yo Xavier squad. However, they didn't play much of anybody else out of conference - of which they are the class - and those they did play (Minnesota, Clemson, Georgetown, & UAB) all beat them. Yeah, I can see them winning their first game next week, but after that it all depends on whom they are paired against.

Troy vs. North Texas = And here's your Sun Belt representative. I admit I know next to nothing about either one, and I believe it will not matter anyway. Toss a coin, as they both are one-and-dones.

Oakland vs. IUPUI = A different "Who are they?" conference - the Summit League in this case - but the same story here. One of them will get one check from the NCAA, and the other will save some travel expenses.


Aside from that, and continuing Big East early-round games, we have action in the Mid-Eastern Conference - with powers such as Bethune-Cookman and Howard playing - and the Big Sky guys, pitting giants like Weber State and Northern Colorado against other "Hunh??" programs. Oh, and as for one that actually might matter, play will occur in the decent mid-major Atlantic 10 Conference. Out of the 14 schools in the A-10 (?????? - hey, don't ask me), there are two or three capable of, at the very least, scaring some of the best teams in the nation.

Whatever you do, enjoy. And hey, if you can't enjoy this time of year, you're a Commie, or a girl, or both. :D

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Just ran across an interesting factoid: Today's loss in MSG to St. John's has extended U. Conn's losing streak in the Big East tourney to six games. The Huskies have not won a game - no, not a championship, a GAME! - in the conference tournament since the quarterfinals in 2005.

Wow. Just freakin' wow.

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The Sun Belt title game is pretty good, so far.

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And if the final is any indication, it remained that way also. North Texas took care of Troy 66-63 to take the automatic of the Sun Belt. The other two autos from last night were not nearly as close, as Oakland beat IUPUI for the Summit 76-64, and Butler spanked Wright State 70-45 for the Horizon. So now we have two more one-and-dones in our field of 64+1, plus one who may - MAY, I said - have a chance to reach the Sweet 16.

Regular update to follow.