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emopunker2004 01-13-2013 12:57 PM

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"I don't carry a gun because I'm evil; I carry a gun because I've lived long enough to see the evil in the world"

replicant_argent 01-13-2013 01:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1780545)
Biggest gun show in the state is coming up next weekend. I reckon I can get better offers than $300 for stripped lowers than I've received on armslist. Some tools offered me $100-$135.

That's where I'll be come Friday morning with my spare Shield as well.

Guess what? 100-135 is what they are ~worth~ to them. Calling someone a tool because they won't play someones idiot reindeer pricing game is childish. Whomever the seller is.

spectrrr 01-13-2013 02:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian D. (Post 1780317)
My latest acquisition was a Browning Hi Power Mark III (black epoxy finish) chambered in 40 S&W caliber. Best I can tell Browning/FN stopped importing the .40 version some time ago, not sure they're even still in production. This one was made in 1993 but in virtually unfired condition. Well, until it fell into my clutches, that is. -(P

Have tried out several .40 S&W handguns thru the years, the BHP is among the best imo. When they made them they didn't just shoehorn a .40 barrel into a nine millimeter platform. The slide was widened, extra locking lug added to the barrel and slide, heavier recoil spring added. Those changes make it as pleasant to shoot as the 9 mm version.

The epoxy based finish used on the BHP may not be pretty, but past experience has shown it to be very resilient, even with frequent carry. If you're in the market for a modern era BHP to tote and use a bunch I highly recommend this finish over the blued.

As to the still available new 9mm Browning Hi Powers...

For what it's worth the "silver chrome" (Browning's name for hardchrome) model BHP is also very durable, but dang those can be hard to locate, they haven't done that finish in several years now. The Practical Model is epoxy black over silver chrome, think those are still imported, or at least some remain in the new supply pipeline.

Oh, one more variant surfaced a few years ago and may still be out there new: A digital camo finish. Again, not much to look at, but I believe that finish is again epoxy based, and should be tough.

I was just playing with a friend's browning HP .40 in what appeared to be a lightweight frame and some kind of chrome finish. gorgeous gun. :tu

I'd love to find an older 9mm HP in any finish sometime, maybe even a .40... I used to have one, really loved the way it fit my hand, it was a joy to shoot.

forgop 01-13-2013 04:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by replicant_argent (Post 1780675)
Guess what? 100-135 is what they are ~worth~ to them. Calling someone a tool because they won't play someones idiot reindeer pricing game is childish. Whomever the seller is.

I just look at it like a commodity. If you were selling gold, you wouldn't want people wasting your time offering 30% of what it's actually selling for on the market.

Robulous78 01-13-2013 05:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1780766)
I just look at it like a commodity. If you were selling gold, you wouldn't want people wasting your time offering 30% of what it's actually selling for on the market.

FWIW: I agree with this...

you can always have your price or your budget in mind, hell, you might even go so far as to bat the idea at a discount to someone... but if they were offering 30% of the value I would take it 1 of 2 ways:

1) they think they are my friend (and they had better be to be serious)

2) they are insulting me... either by insulting my intelligence in knowing what I possess and its value, or by thinking I am so desperate...

Just my opinion on the matter, I work in a business where we negotiate hotel rates all day long, where someone is in a ball-park its one thing... but 30% is a little crass... IMHO

emopunker2004 01-13-2013 09:32 PM

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I agree with Duane. The market sets the price. A week ago they were all selling for $500+ for a stripped lower, even in gun stores. This week I don't see many selling for more than $300. Duane is fair in asking the "market price" for his items. Anyone offering half that is lowballing and should be treated as such. That said, not sure I'd go as far as to call these people tools. My :2 from being on the gun forums and seeing what items are selling for on a daily basis.

CigarSquid 01-13-2013 09:34 PM

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Got my 5.11 tactical belt. Used it while going to dinner. Awesome belt. Hold the holster great while drawing.

emopunker2004 01-13-2013 09:40 PM

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You didn't draw down at dinner did you? Bad wait service? :lr

CigarSquid 01-13-2013 10:01 PM

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Ha.

Luckily I didn't have to. Did it in the bedroom.. few practice ones before we went out.

spectrrr 01-13-2013 10:34 PM

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So I'll throw in my :2 to the ring on asking prices. Most of what has been said already, I agree with. The only thing I didn't see mentioned so far is that we're dealing with a semi-flea market environment here, and lets face it guys, we've seen people hand out some pretty monstrous deals every once in a while, whether it be due to ignorance of the real market value at the time (especially at a time where the value is changing so rapidly), or because they simply needed the money NOW and couldn't wait for a better price. Some folks will take those really low offers, and it behooves the opportunistic buyer to ask. Especially if that buyer isn't REALLY serious about buying the item, but... for the right price, well heck, how could I say no? I have often asked the price of items from people walking around the floor, items that I had almost no interest in buying.. but for the right price, well, everything has its price :tu

emopunker2004 01-13-2013 10:51 PM

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Holy sheet! Stag Arms has announced a TWO YEAR backorder on Uppers, lowers, and rifles!

emopunker2004 01-13-2013 11:13 PM

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NRA guys, check it http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/142...d_.html&page=1

spectrrr 01-14-2013 12:09 AM

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hmm... temping on the life offer...

emopunker2004 01-14-2013 12:20 AM

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u see my post about Stag?
Daniel Defense is backordered thru the end of 2013 as well. I think AR prices are going to stay relatively high for the near future, ban or no ban. Demand>Supply

elderboy02 01-14-2013 04:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1780946)
hmm... temping on the life offer...

Do it! I became a lifer back in '08 :tu

spectrrr 01-14-2013 05:50 AM

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Wow... just got this email from Midway...

That's pretty strong language coming from a BIG company like that.... usually the big companies stay a little more on the calm side of things and are not so dire in their wording.


Dear FRANCIS CARDULLO,

We have been holding some products for you, waiting for other items to arrive so we could ship your order complete. However, we believe an Executive Order could be released any day prohibiting the sale of certain products such as high-capacity magazines and AR-15 parts and accessories. Therefore we have done a partial release of your backorders to ensure that any of these items and other items we had in inventory waiting to ship complete are all on their way, in case such an Order is forthcoming. You will receive a shipping notification shortly. Other items on backorder, that we have not yet received, are not affected by this partial release.

We appreciate your understanding and your business. We always put Customer Satisfaction first and believe this action is in the very best interest of our Customers.

Sincerely,

MidwayUSA Customer Service

emopunker2004 01-14-2013 05:52 AM

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****ing scare tactics. I hate when companies fear monger. Parts will still be available

spectrrr 01-14-2013 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1780993)
****ing scare tactics. I hate when companies fear monger. Parts will still be available

yeah. thing is, only thing in MY backorder thats in stock and ready to ship a hand guard - wup dee doo!

Digs 01-14-2013 06:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1780947)
u see my post about Stag?
Daniel Defense is backordered thru the end of 2013 as well. I think AR prices are going to stay relatively high for the near future, ban or no ban. Demand>Supply

Yea but yet I can tell a dealer that's has a few(DDM4 V7) on the shelf for $1599 and they aren't moving, been there since Wednesday.....

Over the weekend at a big show, many priced from $1800-$2500 just sitting around collecting dust.

Lets hope the bubble has burst :D

Digs 01-14-2013 06:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1780909)
Got my 5.11 tactical belt. Used it while going to dinner. Awesome belt. Hold the holster great while drawing.

Great belts, don't go to the doctor for a check up and step on the scale with that on :r:r

Blueface 01-14-2013 06:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1780999)
yeah. thing is, only thing in MY backorder thats in stock and ready to ship a hand guard - wup dee doo!

I guess you have mags like me on backorder?

I can't phantom an executive order.
Won't last.
Will be a waste of time.
Weapons ban won't pass Congress.
I see for sure a change with high capacity mags because some can't see I can carry 10, 10 round mags and have more ammo than 3, 30, with just a few seconds in between dropping empty one and inserting loaded one.
This can possibly pass Congress.

Amazing so many don't know why it is our forefathers wanted us to have right to bear arms.
I love when I hear the ignorant argument they didn't want us to have AR's and high capacity mags.
That only works with ignorance that doesn't realize intent was to allow the people to organize a militia and fight an oppressive tyranny government.
Love to see us do that with six shooters or muskets.

Can all help us Floridians out, even though it looks as if this poll backfired on this office.
http://www.billnelson.senate.gov/

spectrrr 01-14-2013 06:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1781009)
I guess you have mags like me on backorder?

I can't phantom an executive order.
Won't last.
Will be a waste of time.
Weapons ban won't pass Congress.
I see for sure a change with high capacity mags because some can't see I can carry 10, 10 round mags and have more ammo than 3, 30, with just a few seconds in between dropping empty one and inserting loaded one.
This can possibly pass Congress.

Amazing so many don't know why it is our forefathers wanted us to have right to bear arms.
I love when I hear the ignorant argument they didn't want us to have AR's and high capacity mags.
That only works with ignorance that doesn't realize intent was to allow the people to organize a militia and fight an oppressive tyranny government.
Love to see us do that with six shooters or muskets.

Can all help us Floridians out, even though it looks as if this poll backfired on this office.
http://www.billnelson.senate.gov/

This

elderboy02 01-14-2013 06:38 AM

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I like this article, but I won't count my chickens until they are hatched: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ntcmp=HPBucket

spectrrr 01-14-2013 06:44 AM

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grrr. *thumbs down* sportsman's guide :(

I generally like em... but they won't ship a magazine larger than 30rds to Ohio, despite the fact that the law says its legal to BUY and SELL, just can't USE.

Blueface 01-14-2013 06:45 AM

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I was just wondering, imagine if no ban, just prevent anyone taking any form of medication such as Prozac, Xanax, Ritalin, etc, from owning a gun.
That leaves 10% of America qualifying for guns.:r

LostAbbott 01-14-2013 08:28 AM

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I know it is hard right now guys but lets keep the politics out of here. We are walking a fine line these days but I think we can keep this about guns without mentioning what the politicians are doing or not...
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pnoon 01-14-2013 08:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LostAbbott (Post 1781054)
I know it is hard right now guys but lets keep the politics out of here. We are walking a fine line these days but I think we can keep this about guns without mentioning what the politicians are doing or not...
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:tpd:

spectrrr 01-14-2013 08:49 AM

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:2, and I could well be wrong, but just to clarify a bit, I think that saying in an factual, non position discussion sort of way what is happening is OK, and supremely relevant to the topic at hand.

Of course, resisting the urge to interject commentary on that is... uhh... difficult... and usually ends up happening (like above)... hence, not so ok.

Generally speaking:
"What the politicians are doing, facts" = OK
"What I think about what the politicians are doing, interpretation, opinion" = NOT OK


Just my :2, and really that doesn't even count for 1/2 a cent round here :tg

pnoon 01-14-2013 08:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1781067)
:2, and I could well be wrong, but just to clarify a bit, I think that saying in an factual, non position discussion sort of way what is happening is OK, and supremely relevant to the topic at hand.

Of course, resisting the urge to interject commentary on that is... uhh... difficult... and usually ends up happening (like above)... hence, not so ok.

Generally speaking:
"What the politicians are doing, facts" = OK
"What I think about what the politicians are doing, interpretation, opinion" = NOT OK


Just my :2, and really that doesn't even count for 1/2 a cent round here :tg

Spot on, Francis.
And so is Mychal for saying it's a fine line.

spectrrr 01-14-2013 08:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 1781069)
Spot on, Francis.
And so is Mychal for saying it's a fine line.

"fine" might be an understatement.

It's so very hard not to interject your own personal tone in such things (I'm regularly guilty of it too!)

Doesn't mean the line is not there however ;)

LostAbbott 01-14-2013 09:08 AM

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Anyway... I am off to check a few gun stores for my first ccw. I am specifically looking for the M&P .40 I was talking about earlier but will try and look at the walther post and possible some ruger options as well... I have two stores to che k so wish me luck!
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elderboy02 01-14-2013 09:11 AM

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Good luck! The M&P is a great gun! :tu

spectrrr 01-14-2013 09:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LostAbbott (Post 1781079)
Anyway... I am off to check a few gun stores for my first ccw. I am specifically looking for the M&P .40 I was talking about earlier but will try and look at the walther post and possible some ruger options as well... I have two stores to che k so wish me luck!
Posted via Mobile Device

Keep looking, you should be able to find it.
Like everything else, handgun sales have been HIGH... BUT you can find em. My store last week had quite a few fast selling guns in stock, like glock 17/19, M&P, etc. ... they didn't have EVERY model, but they had enough.

Islayphile 01-14-2013 09:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LostAbbott (Post 1781079)
Anyway... I am off to check a few gun stores for my first ccw. I am specifically looking for the M&P .40 I was talking about earlier but will try and look at the walther post and possible some ruger options as well... I have two stores to che k so wish me luck!
Posted via Mobile Device

My buddy just picked one up after trying out the Walther and an FN.

He's happy with his choice

LostAbbott 01-14-2013 09:33 AM

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This will actually be my first firearm purchase. I have always been given or inherited all the other ones I have... I am pretty excited about getting something to carry. I try an be prepared for just about anything and I think this will be my last large item to cover then while out of the house... the preparedness must come from the eagle scout in me...
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spectrrr 01-14-2013 09:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LostAbbott (Post 1781091)
This will actually be my first firearm purchase. I have always been given or inherited all the other ones I have... I am pretty excited about getting something to carry. I try an be prepared for just about anything and I think this will be my last large item to cover then while out of the house... the preparedness must come from the eagle scout in me...
Posted via Mobile Device

also, .40 cal is less popular than 9mm, so most places that are out of M&P 9mm still have a few M&P .40's

I inherited a a few guns as well. I ended up keeping the ones I liked to shoot, or that had personal significance/meaning to me. The rest I sold to fund purchasing guns that better fit what I liked to shoot, or ones that had a purpose (like CCW)

spectrrr 01-14-2013 10:47 AM

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first half of my pmags from DSG just arrived :noon

emopunker2004 01-14-2013 12:07 PM

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Got my E-lander steel 30rd magazines in.

emopunker2004 01-14-2013 01:10 PM

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http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8323/8...9029ac8d_c.jpg
Untitled by emopunker2004, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8080/8...8727d08b_c.jpg
Untitled by emopunker2004, on Flickr

Robulous78 01-14-2013 04:07 PM

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HURRAY PICTURES... lol :D

Nice looking mags Justin... :tu

spectrrr 01-14-2013 04:11 PM

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Prices may be dropping a bit, but people are still buying like crazy...

A couple complete AR's popped up on slickguns this afternoon, priced at $1200-$1250, sold out in minutes.

jdakine 01-14-2013 04:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1781257)
Prices may be dropping a bit, but people are still buying like crazy...

A couple complete AR's popped up on slickguns this afternoon, priced at $1200-$1250, sold out in minutes.

I was just told about $1,400.00 in the Islands or at least on Maui.

spectrrr 01-14-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jdakine (Post 1781266)
I was just told about $1,400.00 in the Islands or at least on Maui.

I can believe that... seems like everything is a bit more expensive on the islands.
Still, you could probably order one online for $1250, pay the extra shipping, and still come out ahead of the game.
Assuming of course you came across one in the 10 minutes they're in stock ;)

MurphysLaw 01-14-2013 05:37 PM

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Just got an email from Floridagunexchange, they have 30rd PMags in stock

spectrrr 01-14-2013 05:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MurphysLaw (Post 1781297)
Just got an email from Floridagunexchange, they have 30rd PMags in stock

That's good, means that the non-windowed pmags on order form DSG should be in stock soon too.

And I do want to get my hands on those sooner rather than later... of all the legislation being "considered" that we know won't actually pass, I think a magazine capacity limit might be the thing most likely to actually stick.

spectrrr 01-14-2013 05:59 PM

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And for anyone living in NY, I feel for you, my condolences :(

(reminder, keep a lid on the political commentary, I'm just offering my condolences to NY residents here, you be the judge what about ;))

Ogre 01-14-2013 08:11 PM

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Picked up a new toy today. Its been way to long to be without one.

Robulous78 01-14-2013 08:35 PM

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What did ya get Larry?

Robulous78 01-14-2013 08:47 PM

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If you were looking for a left handed AR-15 for sale, where would you start and what would you ballpark an entry model 5.56... ?

Ogre 01-14-2013 08:47 PM

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Sig P250 in .45

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...34235-orig.jpg


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