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emopunker2004 01-07-2013 07:48 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Here. http://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-...115n-c1000.htm
$243/1000

WyGuy 01-07-2013 08:28 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1777460)
hmm... I must be missing something here.

I picked up a Sightmark red dot scope after reading good reviews around the web, my FIRST red dot sight.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o01_s01_i03

Build quality seems good enough, good field of view, mostly visible red dot (bright sunlight and snow like I have here gave it a bit of trouble, but you can still make out the dot, which is all one can expect for under $100.

But here's the problem - correct me if I'm wrong, and I may well be, the theory of a red dot is that, similar to a reflex sight, the dot moves around in the window relative to your head position, so it doesn't matter what angle you look through it, the dot is on target, right?

So I set it down on the table, aimed it at the wall 10ft away, and peered through. Eureka, a dot! and I moved my head to the side, Eureka, the dot moved with my head! But wait... the point of aim also moved with my head! Significantly! At only 10ft away, moving my head to the side could adjust the point of aim by approx. 4 inches in either direction!

This effect is generally minimized with a scope which has minimal eye relief, you can't actually see through it unless you're lined up pretty close to center. But with a wide red dot tube like that one, if the point of aim shifts, then how are you supposed to line your head up precisely down the middle to get an accurate shot if it has such a wide viewing angle?

Parallax. It will be much more noticeable on targets that are a short distance away. 50 yards seems to be the magic number as far as being parallax "free."

CigarSquid 01-07-2013 08:28 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Thanks Justin. I may just 'pull the trigger' on that one.

Robulous78 01-07-2013 08:34 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WyGuy (Post 1777693)
Parallax. It will be much more noticeable on targets that are a short distance away. 50 yards seems to be the magic number as far as being parallax "free."

the wiki quik explanation

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...xample.svg.png

emopunker2004 01-07-2013 08:36 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1777694)
Thanks Justin. I may just 'pull the trigger' on that one.

Do it. Significantly cheaper and since its range ammo it should serve ur purpose

emopunker2004 01-07-2013 08:37 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Well Trust completed. Just gotta finish up my ATF form 1 and wait til payday

Robulous78 01-07-2013 08:40 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777700)
Well Trust completed. Just gotta finish up my ATF form 1 and wait tile payday

What are you getting Justin?

emopunker2004 01-07-2013 08:47 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robulous78 (Post 1777703)
What are you getting Justin?

Gonna put a 10.5" or 11.5" barrel on my ar15

Robulous78 01-07-2013 08:48 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777705)
Gonna put a 10.5" or 11.5" barrel on my ar15

Oh? that requires licensing? I had heard you talk about it but I didn't know...

emopunker2004 01-07-2013 08:52 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Yeh any rifle with a barrel less than 16" or shotgun with barrel under 18" is a sbr or sbs and I have to fill out forms and mail money to the ATF for a "tax stamp"

Robulous78 01-07-2013 09:02 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Oh? you can't just break out the hack-saw like the rest of us? :lr

Maybe this is a dumb question... but in a world where a few mods can turn many rifles into 900rpm bump fire lead-storms, and most pistols have atleast the option for a high capacity magazine, what difference does it make how short a barrel is?

spectrrr 01-07-2013 11:13 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robulous78 (Post 1777713)
Oh? you can't just break out the hack-saw like the rest of us? :lr

Maybe this is a dumb question... but in a world where a few mods can turn many rifles into 900rpm bump fire lead-storms, and most pistols have at least the option for a high capacity magazine, what difference does it make how short a barrel is?

Well, that goes back to the history of the NFA, which was conveniently passed right at the end of prohibition, when all those agents were about to find themselves without a job. Never heard of a government agency ever getting SMALLER now have you? They had to come up with something for guys to do once all the horrible liquor was legal again.

So why the individual items?

Silencer - This was also during the great depression, people needed food, and they had a problem with poachers selling illegal meat.

Machine Guns - They needed extra charges to hold chicago gangsters on, and they were carrying tommy guns.

SBRs - not sure on this one, might be more of the machine gun logic.

So why $200? well, $200 seems like nothing to pay today, that's about the price of a new smartphone! But just imagine trying to pony up $200 back in 1934!

spectrrr 01-07-2013 11:32 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WyGuy (Post 1777693)
Parallax. It will be much more noticeable on targets that are a short distance away. 50 yards seems to be the magic number as far as being parallax "free."

ah hah :tu

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 05:52 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robulous78 (Post 1777713)
Oh? you can't just break out the hack-saw like the rest of us? :lr

Maybe this is a dumb question... but in a world where a few mods can turn many rifles into 900rpm bump fire lead-storms, and most pistols have atleast the option for a high capacity magazine, what difference does it make how short a barrel is?

Dunno but I don't wanna have a felony charge :r

Blueface 01-08-2013 06:11 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777809)
Dunno but I don't wanna have a felony charge :r

Justin,
I follow the form and the fee but it also requires a living trust to designate who would get it in the event of your death?

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 07:17 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1777813)
Justin,
I follow the form and the fee but it also requires a living trust to designate who would get it in the event of your death?

There are two routes you can take.

1. Have a revocable living trust that the NFA item will belong to. Also with the trust, only persons designated as Trustee can handle the NFA item. With the regular route like route 2, only the person who sent in the Form1/4 can handle it.
or
2. Get fingerprinted and then have the Sheriff or Police Chief sign off on your Form 1.


I'm going route 1 to avoid the hassle of route 2. The signature is really only supposed to be the CLEO saying that they know no reason why you would use the NFA item for illegal purposes. But most use it as a way to just be a dick and depending on the CLEO they may deny or approve however they like. You can also have a judge sign instead but unfortunately the only really gun friendly judge we had got voted out of office this time.

Some people pay big $ and set up a trust through a lawyer who knows NFA very well. Most use quicken willmaker plus 2009 to do it cuz it's cheap/free. Just make sure you get the 2009 or older edition as the 2010 and newer don't do trusts.

CigarSquid 01-08-2013 07:21 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Just purchased a 5.11 casual tactical belt for carry. A wipe down rag and got some 9mm ammo coming.

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 07:25 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1777838)
Just purchased a 5.11 casual tactical belt for carry. A wipe down rag and got some 9mm ammo coming.

Get the ammo from the place i linked?

I use a 5.11 Double Duty belt for my EDC belt. :tu

CigarSquid 01-08-2013 07:28 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Yep, thanks. 23 cents a shot. Bought the belt from Midway USA

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 07:35 AM

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The belt leather?
Mine's 1.25" Dual Layer Nylon with 3 or 5 rows or reinforcement stitching

CigarSquid 01-08-2013 07:37 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Yep. Looked the best to be for what I wear in winter/summer.

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 07:42 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
I usually wear jeans an a t-shirt and flip-flops year-round so :r

CigarSquid 01-08-2013 07:47 AM

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Kinda the same here. I had nylon one from a local store. Just didn't like it.

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 07:50 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Going to pick up my CW45 this afternoon from my FFL. :D

Now I just need my holster to come in and to pick up some ammo to run thru her to break her in.

Blueface 01-08-2013 07:56 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777851)
The belt leather?
Mine's 1.25" Dual Layer Nylon with 3 or 5 rows or reinforcement stitching

Man am I still learning.
Help me out. Why this belt?

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 08:05 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1777862)
Man am I still learning.
Help me out. Why this belt?

I chose it because it's semi rigid, and it wasn't too $$

I prefer nylon to leather. This one doesnt give under the weight of a holster/gun. A sturdy belt also helps reduce the felt weight of the gun. If the belt is giving under the weight of the gun it doesn't distribute the weight as well and the gun FEELS heavier.


Just double checked, my belt is 1.5" not 1.25"
Here's the one i got http://www.511tactical.com/All-Produ...-Belt-1-5.html

Blueface 01-08-2013 08:15 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777866)
I chose it because it's semi rigid, and it wasn't too $$

I prefer nylon to leather. This one doesnt give under the weight of a holster/gun. A sturdy belt also helps reduce the felt weight of the gun. If the belt is giving under the weight of the gun it doesn't distribute the weight as well and the gun FEELS heavier.


Just double checked, my belt is 1.5" not 1.25"
Here's the one i got http://www.511tactical.com/All-Produ...-Belt-1-5.html

Even if carrying IWB?

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 08:20 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1777875)
Even if carrying IWB?

Yep. Holster still has to pull down on something. If you have sturdy belt already you can use that. The only belt I really wore before this one was a 1" woven leather belt that was flimsy as they come.

dijit 01-08-2013 08:55 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777456)
Just bribe him with a few boolits

I sell her about 1500 rounds a month of .40 FMJ. She loves the powder I use says it really cuts down on the clean time every week.

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 08:57 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Ah ok lol. Make me some 223 or 45 :r

bonjing 01-08-2013 09:28 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
I use this belt,


http://www.bullhidebelts.com/BullBelts_ep_41-1.html


Ive picked up a few at the gunshow's a lot cheaper than they show online. They are nice and rigid and thick. The only down side to them is that the thickness can vary from thick to to thick for some holsters depending on the belt system that your using.

dijit 01-08-2013 09:36 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777899)
Ah ok lol. Make me some 223 or 45 :r

let me see if I have 223 dies. How many .45 you want?

Blueface 01-08-2013 11:01 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Looks like folks are paying as much as $100 for Armalite AR 10 mags.
I called Armalite around two weeks ago, ordered four 2/20 and 2/25 as limit of two, and just learned they shipped yesterday, at $35 v the $100.
Folks freak out, lose patience and common sense, hence lunacy of pricing.

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 11:03 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1777971)
Looks like folks are paying as much as $100 for Armalite AR 10 mags.
I called Armalite around two weeks ago, ordered four 2/20 and 2/25 as limit of two, and just learned they shipped yesterday, at $35 v the $100.
Folks freak out, lose patience and common sense, hence lunacy of pricing.

People are trying to get them before a ban comes out. It wont do them any good if they're still on order when a ban comes around.

forgop 01-08-2013 11:20 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777973)
People are trying to get them before a ban comes out. It wont do them any good if they're still on order when a ban comes around.

Yep

I saw a vendor taking orders for stripped lower receivers. They guesestimated 3 months to pass said ban and then a 90 day notice would be issued that would then halt production. My guess is anything ordered that could not be produced within that 90 days could not be filled, regardless of whether the order was placed before the ban went into effect.

spectrrr 01-08-2013 11:25 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
depends also on the flavor of the ban. Some bans terms state that the sale/transfer after the ban date is illegal. So if I have a pre-ban 30rd mag, I can't sell it to you. At least not on an open forum :tg

spectrrr 01-08-2013 11:26 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777835)
There are two routes you can take.

1. Have a revocable living trust that the NFA item will belong to. Also with the trust, only persons designated as Trustee can handle the NFA item. With the regular route like route 2, only the person who sent in the Form1/4 can handle it.
or
2. Get fingerprinted and then have the Sheriff or Police Chief sign off on your Form 1.


I'm going route 1 to avoid the hassle of route 2. The signature is really only supposed to be the CLEO saying that they know no reason why you would use the NFA item for illegal purposes. But most use it as a way to just be a dick and depending on the CLEO they may deny or approve however they like. You can also have a judge sign instead but unfortunately the only really gun friendly judge we had got voted out of office this time.

Some people pay big $ and set up a trust through a lawyer who knows NFA very well. Most use quicken willmaker plus 2009 to do it cuz it's cheap/free. Just make sure you get the 2009 or older edition as the 2010 and newer don't do trusts.

It's important that you check into your state laws however. That used to work here in Ohio, but recently the laws changed so that it all but requires a lawyer if you want to get the nuance right without risking jail time...

Steve 01-08-2013 11:30 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1777990)
It's important that you check into your state laws however. That used to work here in Ohio, but recently the laws changed so that it all but requires a lawyer if you want to get the nuance right without risking jail time...

Justin spends enough time in jail already...:hy

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 11:39 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 1777993)
Justin spends enough time in jail already...:hy

:lr

Francis it's legit this way here

spectrrr 01-08-2013 12:29 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Some GOOD news regarding the future prices of firearms. :)
No politics here, I'm being good :r , just a news report about what's happening in Washington that will affect our gun prices. :)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/...-in-washington

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 12:39 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Got my cw45. Pix later

Remo 01-08-2013 12:55 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1778026)
Some GOOD news regarding the future prices of firearms. :)
No politics here, I'm being good :r , just a news report about what's happening in Washington that will affect our gun prices. :)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/...-in-washington

Ya, I am just riding out the storm....no crazy buying for me -(P

Remo 01-08-2013 12:56 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1778032)
Got my cw45. Pix later

Nice...hurry up :sl

spectrrr 01-08-2013 01:00 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1778037)
Ya, I am just riding out the storm....no crazy buying for me -(P

I wish I had time to ride the storm :(
It will still still be MONTHS before the supply chain starts catching up.

I'm pretty much squared away. Still need to find more G17 mags.... and some more PTR91 mags... thats about it.

big pete 01-08-2013 01:07 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
I'm intrigued about having a 9mm carbine (Thureon Defense or a AR based). Anyone have one?

spectrrr 01-08-2013 01:08 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
I would love to get a keltec sub 2000 and use it as a discrete trunk gun, plus something that can be folded and hidden if one has to abandon the car...

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 01:11 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1778049)
I would love to get a keltec sub 2000 and use it as a discrete trunk gun, plus something that can be folded and hidden if one has to abandon the car...

This.

Steve 01-08-2013 01:14 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
http://www.gunsandammoenthusiastblog...0My%20Lawn.jpg

emopunker2004 01-08-2013 01:17 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 1778055)

Not very mobile

Steve 01-08-2013 01:22 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1778058)
Not very mobile

Doesn't really need to be...:D


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